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Rules of the Road #29
INLAND / INTERNATIONAL
A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks |
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Joe |
"Bart Senior" wrote in message ... INLAND / INTERNATIONAL A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks B. is correct. |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... INLAND / INTERNATIONAL A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks B. is correct. Sheesh otn |
"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... INLAND / INTERNATIONAL A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks B. is correct. Sheesh otn What do you mean 'sheesh'? If the vessel was underway one would also see a green or red light. |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... INLAND / INTERNATIONAL A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks B. is correct. Sheesh otn What do you mean 'sheesh'? If the vessel was underway one would also see a green or red light. NUC shows NO masthead/range, side lights when DIW and side lights ONLY when making way. Answer A .... vessel aground. BTW, you've got other mistakes and have flunked this test. otn |
otnmbrd wrote:
Capt. Neal® wrote: "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... INLAND / INTERNATIONAL A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks B. is correct. Sheesh otn What do you mean 'sheesh'? If the vessel was underway one would also see a green or red light. NUC shows NO masthead/range, side lights when DIW and side lights ONLY when making way. Answer A .... vessel aground. BTW, you've got other mistakes and have flunked this test. otn Sheesh, I go out for awhile and you haven't jumped all over this last response. You ARE slowing down , Neal !! otn |
Then what is the 2 whites showing?
I thought a stern view NUC making way, yet the upper white dont fit in the picture. So are you saying vessel aground showing a range?Or a stern view with stern light and 360 white? Joe |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Then what is the 2 whites showing? I thought a stern view NUC making way, yet the upper white dont fit in the picture. So are you saying vessel aground showing a range?Or a stern view with stern light and 360 white? Joe G Assuming my answer correct (and I'm surprised no one jumped on me for not mentioning a "stern light"), the problem you're having is in the mental picture .... you're assuming "masthead and range". However, look at a large vessel at anchor. The fwd anchor light is higher than the after one and since at no time does a NUC use masthead and range lights...... otn |
Joe wrote:
C Joe wrong again. If its making way it needs sidelights. |
otnmbrd wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Then what is the 2 whites showing? I thought a stern view NUC making way, yet the upper white dont fit in the picture. So are you saying vessel aground showing a range?Or a stern view with stern light and 360 white? Joe G Assuming my answer correct (and I'm surprised no one jumped on me for not mentioning a "stern light"), the problem you're having is in the mental picture .... you're assuming "masthead and range". However, look at a large vessel at anchor. The fwd anchor light is higher than the after one and since at no time does a NUC use masthead and range lights...... otn A vessel aground doesn't show a sternlight, it shows an all around white light at the stern (along with one at the bow, plus the two reds). |
Jeff Morris wrote:
otnmbrd wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Then what is the 2 whites showing? I thought a stern view NUC making way, yet the upper white dont fit in the picture. So are you saying vessel aground showing a range?Or a stern view with stern light and 360 white? Joe G Assuming my answer correct (and I'm surprised no one jumped on me for not mentioning a "stern light"), the problem you're having is in the mental picture .... you're assuming "masthead and range". However, look at a large vessel at anchor. The fwd anchor light is higher than the after one and since at no time does a NUC use masthead and range lights...... otn A vessel aground doesn't show a sternlight, it shows an all around white light at the stern (along with one at the bow, plus the two reds). You need to read the post where I was discussing what lights a NUC uses. When making way I neglected to mention the stern light. The above post was correcting that and discussing "Anchor lights". BTW, I see Neal missed about five answers ..... so much for his fabled 90%. otn |
I only missed TWO! CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Jeff Morris wrote: otnmbrd wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Then what is the 2 whites showing? I thought a stern view NUC making way, yet the upper white dont fit in the picture. So are you saying vessel aground showing a range?Or a stern view with stern light and 360 white? Joe G Assuming my answer correct (and I'm surprised no one jumped on me for not mentioning a "stern light"), the problem you're having is in the mental picture .... you're assuming "masthead and range". However, look at a large vessel at anchor. The fwd anchor light is higher than the after one and since at no time does a NUC use masthead and range lights...... otn A vessel aground doesn't show a sternlight, it shows an all around white light at the stern (along with one at the bow, plus the two reds). You need to read the post where I was discussing what lights a NUC uses. When making way I neglected to mention the stern light. The above post was correcting that and discussing "Anchor lights". BTW, I see Neal missed about five answers ..... so much for his fabled 90%. otn |
Crap'n Neal® wrote:
I only missed TWO! You mean, not counting all the other ones youo got wrong? DSK |
1 point to otnmbrd
"otnmbrd" wrote in Answer A .... vessel aground. |
It is a large vessel aground showing two anchor lights.
The answer is A Anchor Lights + Not Under Command (NUC) lights = Aground lights "Bart Senior" wrote INLAND / INTERNATIONAL A white light below and to the left of two red light aligned vertically, with a white light high to the other side would be shown by a vessel which is A. aground B. not under command and is dead in the water C. not under command and is making way D. laying or picking up navigation marks |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
I only missed TWO! CN Did you have an accident and lose a thumb and two fingers on your "counting" hand? 5, repeat, 5 otn |
Three counting that trick question where they changed the rules for the special flashing light. The barge question over fifty meters in a special anchorage area the right answer is TWO anchor lights. Bart was wrong when he said one anchor light was the right answer. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: I only missed TWO! CN Did you have an accident and lose a thumb and two fingers on your "counting" hand? 5, repeat, 5 otn |
Rule 30
a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: 1.. in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; 2.. at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light. Special anchorage means nothing unless the vessel is less than 20 meters. The question says a barge greater than fifty meters . . . The correct answer is two anchor lights as per above. I hope this helps. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Capt. Neal® wrote: I only missed TWO! CN Did you have an accident and lose a thumb and two fingers on your "counting" hand? 5, repeat, 5 otn |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Three counting that trick question where they changed the rules for the special flashing light. The barge question over fifty meters in a special anchorage area the right answer is TWO anchor lights. Bart was wrong when he said one anchor light was the right answer. CN Nope, 5. Once again, 17,18,21,29,35 (backpedaled). otn |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Rule 30 a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: 1.. in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; 2.. at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light. Special anchorage means nothing unless the vessel is less than 20 meters. The question says a barge greater than fifty meters . . . The correct answer is two anchor lights as per above. I hope this helps. CN As stated, question 26 was debatable. If you go by the older rules, and Bart's test was using that, then he was correct, only one light required as written for the test. I'm still checking that one as I think you may be right (ROFL), but since it's become obvious your rules are out of date, I'm giving you a "wrong" based on what you know. otn |
Only missed 4 because 29 and 35 are the same question reworded. The towing light question is unfair and the special flashing light is a change in the Rules. So, I really only missed two legitimately. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message .net... Capt. Neal® wrote: Three counting that trick question where they changed the rules for the special flashing light. The barge question over fifty meters in a special anchorage area the right answer is TWO anchor lights. Bart was wrong when he said one anchor light was the right answer. CN Nope, 5. Once again, 17,18,21,29,35 (backpedaled). otn |
otnmbrd wrote:
Capt. Neal® wrote: Rule 30 a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: 1.. in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; 2.. at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light. Special anchorage means nothing unless the vessel is less than 20 meters. The question says a barge greater than fifty meters . . . The correct answer is two anchor lights as per above. I hope this helps. CN As stated, question 26 was debatable. If you go by the older rules, and Bart's test was using that, then he was correct, only one light required as written for the test. I'm still checking that one as I think you may be right (ROFL), but since it's become obvious your rules are out of date, I'm giving you a "wrong" based on what you know. otn I'm not sure what the "older rules" say. My 1990 rule book is word the same as the newer rules. (2 lights, only one below 50 meters, "special anchorage" exclusion below 20 meters). The 1948 rules are similar. Vessels over 150 feet need two lights. |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Only missed 4 because 29 and 35 are the same question reworded. The towing light question is unfair and the special flashing light is a change in the Rules. So, I really only missed two legitimately. CN LOL, Got you up to 4. Excuses on 29 and 35 are not accepted, which makes 5. otn |
Jeff Morris wrote:
otnmbrd wrote: Capt. Neal® wrote: Rule 30 a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: 1.. in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; 2.. at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light. Special anchorage means nothing unless the vessel is less than 20 meters. The question says a barge greater than fifty meters . . . The correct answer is two anchor lights as per above. I hope this helps. CN As stated, question 26 was debatable. If you go by the older rules, and Bart's test was using that, then he was correct, only one light required as written for the test. I'm still checking that one as I think you may be right (ROFL), but since it's become obvious your rules are out of date, I'm giving you a "wrong" based on what you know. otn I'm not sure what the "older rules" say. My 1990 rule book is word the same as the newer rules. (2 lights, only one below 50 meters, "special anchorage" exclusion below 20 meters). The 1948 rules are similar. Vessels over 150 feet need two lights. May1, 1977 edition: Inland Rules. Art. 11 (c) (2) A barge, canal boat, scow, or other nondescript craft of one hundred fifty feet or upward in length may carry and exhibit the single white light prescribed in paragraph (a) of this article in lieu of the two white lights prescribed in paragraph (b) of this article. otn |
otnmbrd wrote:
Jeff Morris wrote: otnmbrd wrote: Capt. Neal® wrote: Rule 30 a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen: 1.. in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball; 2.. at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light. Special anchorage means nothing unless the vessel is less than 20 meters. The question says a barge greater than fifty meters . . . The correct answer is two anchor lights as per above. I hope this helps. CN As stated, question 26 was debatable. If you go by the older rules, and Bart's test was using that, then he was correct, only one light required as written for the test. I'm still checking that one as I think you may be right (ROFL), but since it's become obvious your rules are out of date, I'm giving you a "wrong" based on what you know. otn I'm not sure what the "older rules" say. My 1990 rule book is word the same as the newer rules. (2 lights, only one below 50 meters, "special anchorage" exclusion below 20 meters). The 1948 rules are similar. Vessels over 150 feet need two lights. May1, 1977 edition: Inland Rules. Art. 11 (c) (2) A barge, canal boat, scow, or other nondescript craft of one hundred fifty feet or upward in length may carry and exhibit the single white light prescribed in paragraph (a) of this article in lieu of the two white lights prescribed in paragraph (b) of this article. otn Wow, I'm impressed. I only have the International version of the 1948 rules, which doesn't include that rule. Also, my 1897 inland rules don't have that, it is worded like the 1948 rule. Now I'm going to have to start looking for my 1962 Chapman! |
Jeff Morris wrote:
otnmbrd wrote: May1, 1977 edition: Inland Rules. Art. 11 (c) (2) A barge, canal boat, scow, or other nondescript craft of one hundred fifty feet or upward in length may carry and exhibit the single white light prescribed in paragraph (a) of this article in lieu of the two white lights prescribed in paragraph (b) of this article. otn Wow, I'm impressed. I only have the International version of the 1948 rules, which doesn't include that rule. Also, my 1897 inland rules don't have that, it is worded like the 1948 rule. Now I'm going to have to start looking for my 1962 Chapman! The good news is that saving those older editions helps you look up some of "answers" people give to Rules questions. The bad news is you need to be sure you use the up to date version when answering, especially on test. G otn |
You would probably have a hard time passing the modern-day test having
cluttered your mind with all the old rules. The same goes for Jeff Morris. Forget the old and stick with the new. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message k.net... The good news is that saving those older editions helps you look up some of "answers" people give to Rules questions. The bad news is you need to be sure you use the up to date version when answering, especially on test. G otn |
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... You would probably have a hard time passing the modern-day test having cluttered your mind with all the old rules. The same goes for Jeff Morris. Forget the old and stick with the new. CN Problem with that is, I've been using the Rules since the early 60's, which means those "old" rules are all ready there. In most cases it helps by making me aware that I might need to look further into the "book" when an oddly phrased question arises or a certain phrase shows up. As for taking the test..... I wouldn't want to have to do it tomorrow. otn |
The correct answer is two anchor lights. I just posted that.
I didn't post an answer right away because I didn't see any correct responses. Your response Neal did not show up on my newsreader. I just checked on Google Groups, and saw that you, Capt Neal, were the one and only person to post the correct answer. I awarded you 1 point on that thread. Bart "Capt. Neal®" wrote Three counting that trick question where they changed the rules for the special flashing light. The barge question over fifty meters in a special anchorage area the right answer is TWO anchor lights. Bart was wrong when he said one anchor light was the right answer. |
Wait, let me get out my 1746 British Rules.
Does anybody have a copy of the Phoenician Rules? "Jeff Morris" wrote otnmbrd wrote: Jeff Morris wrote: otnmbrd wrote: Capt. Neal® wrote: I'm not sure what the "older rules" say. My 1990 rule book is word the same as the newer rules. (2 lights, only one below 50 meters, "special anchorage" exclusion below 20 meters). The 1948 rules are similar. Vessels over 150 feet need two lights. May1, 1977 edition: Wow, I'm impressed. I only have the International version of the 1948 rules, which doesn't include that rule. Also, my 1897 inland rules don't have that, it is worded like the 1948 rule. Now I'm going to have to start looking for my 1962 Chapman! |
I should get three points - one for each wrong answer of the others since
it was a hard question. CN "Bart Senior" wrote in message ... The correct answer is two anchor lights. I just posted that. I didn't post an answer right away because I didn't see any correct responses. Your response Neal did not show up on my newsreader. I just checked on Google Groups, and saw that you, Capt Neal, were the one and only person to post the correct answer. I awarded you 1 point on that thread. Bart "Capt. Neal®" wrote Three counting that trick question where they changed the rules for the special flashing light. The barge question over fifty meters in a special anchorage area the right answer is TWO anchor lights. Bart was wrong when he said one anchor light was the right answer. |
Bart Senior wrote:
Wait, let me get out my 1746 British Rules. Does anybody have a copy of the Phoenician Rules? No, but I have a set of Inland Rules for the Nile dating back to Cleopatra |
Picked 'em up when you were a teenager, no doubt.
CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Bart Senior wrote: Wait, let me get out my 1746 British Rules. Does anybody have a copy of the Phoenician Rules? No, but I have a set of Inland Rules for the Nile dating back to Cleopatra |
Nah, Tony gave them to me. He said Cleo gave him hell for approaching her
barge while it was descending the river. otn "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Picked 'em up when you were a teenager, no doubt. CN "otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net... Bart Senior wrote: Wait, let me get out my 1746 British Rules. Does anybody have a copy of the Phoenician Rules? No, but I have a set of Inland Rules for the Nile dating back to Cleopatra |
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