Joe wrote:
His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If
you havent seen it I recommend it.


That was a pretty good movie, worth seeing on the big screen. It makes a
silly soap opera out of racing, but I suppose most people won't know any
better.

Guy loses the American Cup & girl, goes out into the desert and with
the help of many he builds a boat at the Deadman's Flat yacht club and
wins back the cup from the Ozzies and his girl.

Great sailing scenes, International 14 - 12 meter boats.


Did you notice that not one of those boats was built out of steel, Joe?
In fact, no America's Cup racer has ever been built out of steel. You
should watch out for becoming a Crapton wanna-be, making retard-o claims
about the superiority of your boat just 'cuz it's yours.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If
you havent seen it I recommend it.


That was a pretty good movie, worth seeing on the big screen. It makes a
silly soap opera out of racing, but I suppose most people won't know any
better.

The first time I saw it was an afternoon show; the other group in the
theater was a sailing team, I think from Tufts. It was fun to hear
their reactions and comments, although half of them probably had never
been on a boat over 30 feet.

One line in the movie that always got me was in the intro to the final
race, where the announcer said something to the affect of "they agreed
to throw out the rule book for this race."

Doug your jelious side is showing.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Doug your jelious side is showing.



Believe me, I'm not "jelious" at all. I spent 8 years riding around on
big steel boats... which is one reason why I think steel boats are for
dummies that either 1- can't keep from crashing into things or 2- intend
to get in the face of people who shoot at you

DSK

You are jelious...Bwahahahah

Oh the power of steel.

Joe

Doug,
Sometimes don't you get the feeling that maybe Joe isn't Joe but really
Terry?

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Joe wrote:
Doug your jelious side is showing.


Believe me, I'm not "jelious" at all. I spent 8 years riding around on big
steel boats... which is one reason why I think steel boats are for dummies
that either 1- can't keep from crashing into things or 2- intend to get in
the face of people who shoot at you

DSK

wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934
as an America's Cup contender made of steel?

Joe

Joe wrote:
wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934
as an America's Cup contender made of steel?

Joe

Yes, is. And I think Endeavor II was steel, also. Perhaps DSK should
have said "no steel yacht won the America's Cup."

Joe wrote:
wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934
as an America's Cup contender made of steel?


You're right, Joe. I was wrong.

Jeff Morris wrote:
Yes, is. And I think Endeavor II was steel, also.

You should say "Endeavor II *is* steel" although none her hull is original.

... Perhaps DSK should
have said "no steel yacht won the America's Cup."

Having thought about it for a minute or so, IIRC Ranger was also built
of steel. Herreshoff had been building boats with steel frames and
lighter material for decades before, but I think the then-new technique
of welding hull plating allowed lighter all-steel construction.

That still doesn't make Joe's boat any faster, nor help with his rust
problem.

I should have said "no steel boat has won the America's Cup since before
WW2, and none have ever won any other races."

How about a nice cup of carbon fiber, Joe!

DSK

DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934
as an America's Cup contender made of steel?


You're right, Joe. I was wrong.

Jeff Morris wrote:

Yes, is. And I think Endeavor II was steel, also.


You should say "Endeavor II *is* steel" although none her hull is original.

I thought the Endeavor II was scrapped shortly after its defeat in '37.
It was the first Endeavor that was rebuilt at great cost.


... Perhaps DSK should have said "no steel yacht won the America's Cup."


Having thought about it for a minute or so, IIRC Ranger was also built
of steel. Herreshoff had been building boats with steel frames and
lighter material for decades before, but I think the then-new technique
of welding hull plating allowed lighter all-steel construction.

About 38 years ago a group of us young fools checked out a Starling
Burgess designed, Herreshoff built (1926?) M-class yacht, Prestige, that
was for sale for under $2000. It was in sad shape - stripped out
completely. The lead keel was long gone (melted for bullets in WWII)
and replaced with concrete. The mast, once the worlds tallest aluminum
mast, was replaced with two telephone poles. We hauled it for a survey,
but the report was that too many of the steel frames were rusted out,
and it would have cost a fortune to make her seaworthy. Fortunately, we
had the sense to pass on the deal!

Some years later, I met a couple who had bought her and were living
aboard. They had dreams of long distance cruising but were realizing
the impossibility of resurrecting the old beauty. About 5 years after
that (1979?) I found the yacht aground on Spectacle Island in Boston
Harbor. It laid there, abandoned, for a season.

The M-Class is a variation on the J-class, though somewhat smaller. It
was used as a "club racer" in the late 20's through the 50's.


Parameter M-Class 12-Metre
LOA 83'0" 67'0"
DWL 54'7" 45'0"
Beam 14'0" 12'0"
Draft 10'6" 8'11"
Displ. 96,000 lbs. 55,000 lbs.
Sail (rated) 3100 sq. ft. 1900 sq. ft.
Rig Height 104' 82'
Sail : Displ 4.88 4.59
Displ : length 264 269


There's a description of the M-class here. There's a picture of the
Prestige is about a third of the way down.
http://www.universalrule.com/page1/body.html