Heh.. Ricky Jetcap
 

Darn it all..... I called my buddy on his sat phone last week. He was out
doing a cruise on his 20 ft Bayliner Trophy near Bowen Island in British
Columbia. I could hear the VHF in the background as his wife made dinner
reservations. He told me they tried a cell phone call but the line was busy
so they hailed the restaurant by radio instead. He also told me he was
really pleased that he took my advise not to include the SSB in the sale of
his sailboat and installed it on his small power boat. Seems he can contact
the ships around there just like he did on his trip across the Atlantic. .

Another friend of mine works as a shipping agent and he says he has a heck
of a time contacting his vessels.... sometimes he actually has to use his
cell phone and call their Satphone number. Uncanny..... is the fact that
every company knows where their vessels are! I think he said something about
them having to report? How odd is that Rick?

Yup... I guess you were right... I don't have a clue about communications
aboard vessels.
In retrospect "Mad Ellen" was flirting with disaster despite an advanced
array of computer and telecom equipment .

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

... he actually has to use his
cell phone and call their Satphone number.

Duh ... he had the phone number didn't he, dip****.

Uncanny..... is the fact that
every company knows where their vessels are!

Yeah, and YOU don't know who the company is or where they and their
ships are are and you don't have diddly sqat info about any ship that
"might" be there.

It was nice that you could call your buddy. You had his phone number
didn't you? Did you call one of the bulkers that were rounding the
corner into English Bay just a couple of miles away? Not knowing if a
ship was even there, much less what the name of the ship might be, who
owns it and who manages it, you will have fun obtaining the ships sat
phone number.

You really don't get it do you?

Rick

Coast Guard reg. #45.3-84.6 = starting March, 2006, all ships will be
required to have their phone number painted on both sides of hull and
on the stern. Numbers must be day-glo orange paint, min 8' tall and be
visible for 500 miles (even in fog). Lighting is required after dusk.

Scotty


"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:

... he actually has to use his
cell phone and call their Satphone number.

Duh ... he had the phone number didn't he, dip****.

Uncanny..... is the fact that
every company knows where their vessels are!

Yeah, and YOU don't know who the company is or where they and their
ships are are and you don't have diddly sqat info about any ship
that
"might" be there.

It was nice that you could call your buddy. You had his phone number
didn't you? Did you call one of the bulkers that were rounding the
corner into English Bay just a couple of miles away? Not knowing if
a
ship was even there, much less what the name of the ship might be,
who
owns it and who manages it, you will have fun obtaining the ships
sat
phone number.

You really don't get it do you?

Rick

"Jetcap" wrote in message

It was nice that you could call your buddy. You had his phone number
didn't you? Did you call one of the bulkers that were rounding the corner
into English Bay just a couple of miles away? Not knowing if a ship was
even there, much less what the name of the ship might be, who owns it and
who manages it, you will have fun obtaining the ships sat phone number.

You really don't get it do you?

I guess I don't..... I would never think of calling the port authority for
information on shipping schedules which would include arrivals & departures?
Where would I obtain a list of shipping lines to a certain port and inform
them of the situation ... then have them inform their ships in the area? I
mean that's impossible isn't it?
I guess when a 'bulker" is enroute... nobody knows where they are or what
route they are taking or when they will arrive eh?

Yeah... all those hundreds of thousands of vessels out there and nobody
knows where they are. Let's face it Rick... according to you.. they can't be
contacted! I guess Fleet Tracking is just a wet dream!

Plus I would assume that no manner of radio communication or radar target
would matter much if the entire bridge crew is in the mess getting drunk and
watching videos.... as they usually are.. the *******s!

CM

Amazing.

Capt. Mooron wrote:


Yeah... all those hundreds of thousands of vessels out there and nobody
knows where they are. Let's face it Rick... according to you.. they can't be
contacted! I guess Fleet Tracking is just a wet dream!

Lets be a little more realistic here. I am sure that for each commercial vessel and many private vessels that there exists at least on person with
their feet on terra firma with a reasonable notion as to said vessel's wherabouts at any given time. I am equally sure that there does not exist a
single person or entity with information of all vessels whereabouts at the same time.

How many vessels are at sea at any given time, how many shipping companies, how many independant operators, how many ports..... and how do you collect
the required information from all of them and collate it?

Cheers
Marty


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Martin Baxter wrote:
Capt. Mooron wrote:


Yeah... all those hundreds of thousands of vessels out there and
nobody knows where they are. Let's face it Rick... according to you..
they can't be contacted! I guess Fleet Tracking is just a wet dream!


Lets be a little more realistic here. I am sure that for each
commercial vessel and many private vessels that there exists at least on
person with their feet on terra firma with a reasonable notion as to
said vessel's wherabouts at any given time. I am equally sure that there
does not exist a single person or entity with information of all vessels
whereabouts at the same time.

How many vessels are at sea at any given time, how many shipping
companies, how many independant operators, how many ports..... and how
do you collect the required information from all of them and collate it?

Cheers
Marty

AMVER, is one system

Martin Baxter wrote:
Lets be a little more realistic here. I am sure that for each
commercial vessel and many private vessels that there exists at least on
person with their feet on terra firma with a reasonable notion as to
said vessel's wherabouts at any given time.

Certainly there are. That was never in question. What Moron wrote was:

"ham radio routing would inform all vessels in the area of her
route and location ..."

Merchant ships at sea do not monitor hobby radio as a means of traffic
advisory.

"... satellite phones are on most commercial and private yachts ..."

So what? The people who were monitoring her passage did not have
information on which merchant ships were in her area at any given time,
who managed those ships, how to contact the ship managers, and certainly
did not have access to sat phone numbers for those ships.

I am equally sure that there does not exist a single person or
entity with information of all vessels whereabouts at the same time.

That is precisely the point. And if there were the likelihood of them
divulging any of that information to some yachtie is slim to zilch.

How many vessels are at sea at any given time, how many shipping
companies, how many independant operators, how many ports..... and how
do you collect the required information from all of them and collate it?

As OTN pointed out, AMVERS is a system by which merchant vessels provide
location and weather information and supply contact information for use
by SAR organizations. The number of AMVERS subscribed ships is quite
small proportional to the world merchant fleet.

"They would be in contravention if no sail plan was filed ... "

Sail plan? Merchant ships do not file "sail plans" with any central
authority. Contravention? WTF?

"More than likely that every vessel passing close to her route
would have been informed."

The point is, informed by whom by what means? Shipping is a very quiet
business and shipowners and managers are not too keen on telling the
world who is where and going in what direction while on the open sea.
And while sailing yachts may be fun to watch at sea, tracking them is
more than the crew has time or desire to do.

Rick

Grace


"Jetcap" wrote ...
Amazing.

"Jetcap" wrote in message

The point is, informed by whom by what means? Shipping is a very quiet
business and shipowners and managers are not too keen on telling the world
who is where and going in what direction while on the open sea. And while
sailing yachts may be fun to watch at sea, tracking them is more than the
crew has time or desire to do.

There maybe a point you are not considering Rick... the information is a one
way feed. All they need do is supply proposed track and route to the
agencies involved. No information from the agencies or shipping is required.
Private yachts do indeed monitor ham or SSB or VHF or Satphone... plus many
have weather routers on ham/ssb that they contact daily for updates.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

There maybe a point you are not considering Rick... the information is a one
way feed. All they need do is supply proposed track and route to the
agencies involved.

??? Who supplies information to whom? Are you saying the merchant ship
should provide some kind of sailing plan to some central agency? Sorry,
no central agency exists and until Homeland Sekurity takes over the
planet, there won't be one.


No information from the agencies or shipping is required.

????? From what agency to whom?

While yachties may find it great sport to track each other around the
world, merchant shipping does not work that way for the most part. Ships
in the "liner trades" such as containerships on specific routes and
voyages keep a schedule like a bus. Some bulkers and tankers still
"tramp" and might change destinations and courses depending on markets.
No merchant ship crew has time or desire to fill out more paperwork just
so yachties can plan to avoid them.

Rick

A bulk freighter berthed at the Philly Port had it's radar going, at
least for the 2 hours I was there. Is there any reason for this? You
think they read Neals' posts about constant watches?

Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
A bulk freighter berthed at the Philly Port had it's radar going, at
least for the 2 hours I was there. Is there any reason for this?

Forgot it? Tuning it? Turned it on at "standby" and got delayed?


You think they read Neals' posts about constant watches?

Was there a bunch of guys rolling around on the deck laughing?

Rick

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:

There maybe a point you are not considering Rick... the information is a
one way feed. All they need do is supply proposed track and route to the
agencies involved.

??? Who supplies information to whom? Are you saying the merchant ship
should provide some kind of sailing plan to some central agency? Sorry, no
central agency exists and until Homeland Sekurity takes over the planet,
there won't be one.

Oh Good Grief Rick... you are being argumentative for no reason... what
about the term "one way feed" don't you comprehend?
"This vessel is being routed to this track.... please advise any of your
fleet in the area that may cross the vessel's path as a safety
precaution"... and voila.. one way feed of info completed. Traffic has been
notified. Don't try and forward some delusional idea that if a vessel needs
to be found... someone can't find it... there is an information highway and
those that are good at managing the logistics involved... get well paid. I
can assure you that steps were taken by B&Q's team to advise all marine
interests of her route and progress.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Oh Good Grief Rick... you are being argumentative for no reason... what
about the term "one way feed" don't you comprehend?
"This vessel is being routed to this track.... please advise any of your
fleet in the area that may cross the vessel's path as a safety
precaution"... and voila.. one way feed of info completed. Traffic has been
notified.

And just why in Hell do you think any shipping company would take the
time and expense to tell some non-existent yachtie agency what track one
of their ships might be on ... or might not depending on weather and
commercial interests?

Or conversely, if you think a shipping company is going to spend time
and money to contact some yachtie group to find out if there are any
sailboats along their vessel's route you really are nuts.

Don't try and forward some delusional idea that if a vessel needs
to be found... someone can't find it... there is an information highway and
those that are good at managing the logistics involved... get well paid.

If you know what vessel it is it might be located. If you believe there
might be some ship, owned by someone, operated by somebody, in the
vicinity of some location at some time I would love to know how you
propose to find out what the phone number of that unknown ship is.

I can assure you that steps were taken by B&Q's team to advise all marine
interests of her route and progress.

And just how can you assure me of that? Did her team know "all marine
interests" the owners of every little one-ship company that might have
had a ship on the sea and did call each one every day to provide them
all with updates?

Do you really believe what you have written, or is this some bizarre troll?

Rick

Holy ****... are you just plain ****ing Dense???

Is there no depth to your abysmal idiocy???

Do you have comprehension problems with common English?

Try reading for content you ****in' retard!

I bet just changing socks is a major problem for you isn't it Ricky??

I'd explain it further.. but I'd need a friggin' blackboard and a ****in'
ruler to slap you with!

You not only shouldn't be allowed on a vessel... you shouldn't be allowed
out without a nurse!

Seriously... you put Horvath to shame on the Stupidometer!!

Now go on and **** the hell off... I don't have time to argue with a nut
case like you Dick Wad!

**** but your are STUPID!!!

CM

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:

Oh Good Grief Rick... you are being argumentative for no reason... what
about the term "one way feed" don't you comprehend?
"This vessel is being routed to this track.... please advise any of your
fleet in the area that may cross the vessel's path as a safety
precaution"... and voila.. one way feed of info completed. Traffic has
been notified.

And just why in Hell do you think any shipping company would take the time
and expense to tell some non-existent yachtie agency what track one of
their ships might be on ... or might not depending on weather and
commercial interests?

Or conversely, if you think a shipping company is going to spend time and
money to contact some yachtie group to find out if there are any sailboats
along their vessel's route you really are nuts.

Don't try and forward some delusional idea that if a vessel needs to be
found... someone can't find it... there is an information highway and
those that are good at managing the logistics involved... get well paid.

If you know what vessel it is it might be located. If you believe there
might be some ship, owned by someone, operated by somebody, in the
vicinity of some location at some time I would love to know how you
propose to find out what the phone number of that unknown ship is.

I can assure you that steps were taken by B&Q's team to advise all marine
interests of her route and progress.

And just how can you assure me of that? Did her team know "all marine
interests" the owners of every little one-ship company that might have had
a ship on the sea and did call each one every day to provide them all with
updates?

Do you really believe what you have written, or is this some bizarre
troll?

Rick

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
A bulk freighter berthed at the Philly Port had it's radar going,
at
least for the 2 hours I was there. Is there any reason for this?

Forgot it? Tuning it? Turned it on at "standby" and got delayed?


You think they read Neals' posts about constant watches?

Was there a bunch of guys rolling around on the deck laughing?

Nah, they were too busy emptying cedar buckets.

Scotty

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Holy ****...

You sound a bit tense ... maybe you need to learn how to articulate your
ideas better. Get back to me when you figure out what you were trying
to say.

Goodnight.

Rick

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Holy ****...

You sound a bit tense ... maybe you need to learn how to articulate your
ideas better. Get back to me when you figure out what you were trying to
say.

Tense?? No.. mildly frustrated at your apparent incapacity to comprehend
basic english. Don't take it to heart...

It's obvious you managed to comprehend the the slurs and insults... that's a
good step... and now that you've been tuned in... if and when your reading
comprehension skills improve to a point that simple sentences become
comprehendable.... or that your reasoning skills can entertain primary
logic.... I'll be happy to enlighten you.

Goodnight.

Best scamper off to bed....

CM

Rick, that's the best he can do!

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"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Holy ****...

You sound a bit tense ... maybe you need to learn how to articulate your
ideas better. Get back to me when you figure out what you were trying to
say.

Goodnight.

Rick

Moron is quite tense, apparently.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Holy ****...

You sound a bit tense ... maybe you need to learn how to articulate your
ideas better. Get back to me when you figure out what you were trying to
say.

Tense?? No.. mildly frustrated at your apparent incapacity to comprehend
basic english. Don't take it to heart...

It's obvious you managed to comprehend the the slurs and insults... that's
a good step... and now that you've been tuned in... if and when your
reading comprehension skills improve to a point that simple sentences
become comprehendable.... or that your reasoning skills can entertain
primary logic.... I'll be happy to enlighten you.

Goodnight.

Best scamper off to bed....

CM

Oh Jon... you've been peeking through my web cam again haven't you!!!??
You little pervert...

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Moron is quite tense, apparently.

"JG" wrote in message
...
Rick, that's the best he can do!

Oh come on now... that was a pretty good run of insults.

You're just jealous because I don't talk dirty to you.. aren't you Jon!?

CM

Why do you care? Are you and gilligan doing it again?

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:O4dPd.44422$gA4.16087@edtnps89...
Oh Jon... you've been peeking through my web cam again haven't you!!!??
You little pervert...

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Moron is quite tense, apparently.

Donal wrote:

Have you heard about AIS? It doesn't take any time for a vessel to
broadcast her position, name,speed and course. It's done by a little box
that costs a couple of thousand dollars.


And requires the interrogating vessel to be within VHF range. AIS does
not transmit information beyond the range that your little VHF radio
does. Not all ships are fitted with, or required to be fitted with AIS
at this time.

AIS will not provide any shore based "agency" with information as to
whether a ship is or is not in any given location on the high seas.

AIS will not allow some yachtie agency to identify a ship on the high
seas, determine ownership or management, and then contact that ship.

So before you start calling anyone "dense" you would be better off
learning a bit more about ships and how they operate. You and Moron are
both in water way over your heads.

Rick

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:15 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

Why do you care? Are you and gilligan doing it again?


It's so funny to see you get so jealous.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

So you admit it? Wow... quite an admission.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:15 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

Why do you care? Are you and gilligan doing it again?


It's so funny to see you get so jealous.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Donal wrote:

Have you heard about AIS? It doesn't take any time for a vessel to
broadcast her position, name,speed and course. It's done by a little
box
that costs a couple of thousand dollars.


And requires the interrogating vessel to be within VHF range. AIS does
not transmit information beyond the range that your little VHF radio
does. Not all ships are fitted with, or required to be fitted with AIS
at this time.

AIS will not provide any shore based "agency" with information as to
whether a ship is or is not in any given location on the high seas.

AIS will not allow some yachtie agency to identify a ship on the high
seas, determine ownership or management, and then contact that ship.

Of course it will. AIS will broadcast the ship's name. Therefore, AIS will
make it possible to contact the ship on radio.



So before you start calling anyone "dense" you would be better off
learning a bit more about ships and how they operate.

Why? You are dense if you think that AIS will not make it easy to contact a
particular vessel.


You and Moron are
both in water way over your heads.

Rubbish.
You just feel that you are superior because you get paid for working on a
boat.

I bet that you drive a small (50 - 75 ft) commercial vessel in protected
waters. People like you tend to have a grossly exaggerated view of their
position in the "pecking order".

Do you expect yachts to get put of your way, when you want to pass them?



Regards


Donal
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