Capt. Mooron wrote:


Yeah... all those hundreds of thousands of vessels out there and nobody
knows where they are. Let's face it Rick... according to you.. they can't be
contacted! I guess Fleet Tracking is just a wet dream!

Lets be a little more realistic here. I am sure that for each commercial vessel and many private vessels that there exists at least on person with
their feet on terra firma with a reasonable notion as to said vessel's wherabouts at any given time. I am equally sure that there does not exist a
single person or entity with information of all vessels whereabouts at the same time.

How many vessels are at sea at any given time, how many shipping companies, how many independant operators, how many ports..... and how do you collect
the required information from all of them and collate it?

Cheers
Marty


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Martin Baxter wrote:
Capt. Mooron wrote:


Yeah... all those hundreds of thousands of vessels out there and
nobody knows where they are. Let's face it Rick... according to you..
they can't be contacted! I guess Fleet Tracking is just a wet dream!


Lets be a little more realistic here. I am sure that for each
commercial vessel and many private vessels that there exists at least on
person with their feet on terra firma with a reasonable notion as to
said vessel's wherabouts at any given time. I am equally sure that there
does not exist a single person or entity with information of all vessels
whereabouts at the same time.

How many vessels are at sea at any given time, how many shipping
companies, how many independant operators, how many ports..... and how
do you collect the required information from all of them and collate it?

Cheers
Marty

AMVER, is one system

Martin Baxter wrote:
Lets be a little more realistic here. I am sure that for each
commercial vessel and many private vessels that there exists at least on
person with their feet on terra firma with a reasonable notion as to
said vessel's wherabouts at any given time.

Certainly there are. That was never in question. What Moron wrote was:

"ham radio routing would inform all vessels in the area of her
route and location ..."

Merchant ships at sea do not monitor hobby radio as a means of traffic
advisory.

"... satellite phones are on most commercial and private yachts ..."

So what? The people who were monitoring her passage did not have
information on which merchant ships were in her area at any given time,
who managed those ships, how to contact the ship managers, and certainly
did not have access to sat phone numbers for those ships.

I am equally sure that there does not exist a single person or
entity with information of all vessels whereabouts at the same time.

That is precisely the point. And if there were the likelihood of them
divulging any of that information to some yachtie is slim to zilch.

How many vessels are at sea at any given time, how many shipping
companies, how many independant operators, how many ports..... and how
do you collect the required information from all of them and collate it?

As OTN pointed out, AMVERS is a system by which merchant vessels provide
location and weather information and supply contact information for use
by SAR organizations. The number of AMVERS subscribed ships is quite
small proportional to the world merchant fleet.

"They would be in contravention if no sail plan was filed ... "

Sail plan? Merchant ships do not file "sail plans" with any central
authority. Contravention? WTF?

"More than likely that every vessel passing close to her route
would have been informed."

The point is, informed by whom by what means? Shipping is a very quiet
business and shipowners and managers are not too keen on telling the
world who is where and going in what direction while on the open sea.
And while sailing yachts may be fun to watch at sea, tracking them is
more than the crew has time or desire to do.

Rick

"Jetcap" wrote in message

The point is, informed by whom by what means? Shipping is a very quiet
business and shipowners and managers are not too keen on telling the world
who is where and going in what direction while on the open sea. And while
sailing yachts may be fun to watch at sea, tracking them is more than the
crew has time or desire to do.

There maybe a point you are not considering Rick... the information is a one
way feed. All they need do is supply proposed track and route to the
agencies involved. No information from the agencies or shipping is required.
Private yachts do indeed monitor ham or SSB or VHF or Satphone... plus many
have weather routers on ham/ssb that they contact daily for updates.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

There maybe a point you are not considering Rick... the information is a one
way feed. All they need do is supply proposed track and route to the
agencies involved.

??? Who supplies information to whom? Are you saying the merchant ship
should provide some kind of sailing plan to some central agency? Sorry,
no central agency exists and until Homeland Sekurity takes over the
planet, there won't be one.


No information from the agencies or shipping is required.

????? From what agency to whom?

While yachties may find it great sport to track each other around the
world, merchant shipping does not work that way for the most part. Ships
in the "liner trades" such as containerships on specific routes and
voyages keep a schedule like a bus. Some bulkers and tankers still
"tramp" and might change destinations and courses depending on markets.
No merchant ship crew has time or desire to fill out more paperwork just
so yachties can plan to avoid them.

Rick

A bulk freighter berthed at the Philly Port had it's radar going, at
least for the 2 hours I was there. Is there any reason for this? You
think they read Neals' posts about constant watches?

Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
A bulk freighter berthed at the Philly Port had it's radar going, at
least for the 2 hours I was there. Is there any reason for this?

Forgot it? Tuning it? Turned it on at "standby" and got delayed?


You think they read Neals' posts about constant watches?

Was there a bunch of guys rolling around on the deck laughing?

Rick

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
A bulk freighter berthed at the Philly Port had it's radar going,
at
least for the 2 hours I was there. Is there any reason for this?

Forgot it? Tuning it? Turned it on at "standby" and got delayed?


You think they read Neals' posts about constant watches?

Was there a bunch of guys rolling around on the deck laughing?

Nah, they were too busy emptying cedar buckets.

Scotty

"Jetcap" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:

There maybe a point you are not considering Rick... the information is a
one way feed. All they need do is supply proposed track and route to the
agencies involved.

??? Who supplies information to whom? Are you saying the merchant ship
should provide some kind of sailing plan to some central agency? Sorry, no
central agency exists and until Homeland Sekurity takes over the planet,
there won't be one.

Oh Good Grief Rick... you are being argumentative for no reason... what
about the term "one way feed" don't you comprehend?
"This vessel is being routed to this track.... please advise any of your
fleet in the area that may cross the vessel's path as a safety
precaution"... and voila.. one way feed of info completed. Traffic has been
notified. Don't try and forward some delusional idea that if a vessel needs
to be found... someone can't find it... there is an information highway and
those that are good at managing the logistics involved... get well paid. I
can assure you that steps were taken by B&Q's team to advise all marine
interests of her route and progress.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Oh Good Grief Rick... you are being argumentative for no reason... what
about the term "one way feed" don't you comprehend?
"This vessel is being routed to this track.... please advise any of your
fleet in the area that may cross the vessel's path as a safety
precaution"... and voila.. one way feed of info completed. Traffic has been
notified.

And just why in Hell do you think any shipping company would take the
time and expense to tell some non-existent yachtie agency what track one
of their ships might be on ... or might not depending on weather and
commercial interests?

Or conversely, if you think a shipping company is going to spend time
and money to contact some yachtie group to find out if there are any
sailboats along their vessel's route you really are nuts.

Don't try and forward some delusional idea that if a vessel needs
to be found... someone can't find it... there is an information highway and
those that are good at managing the logistics involved... get well paid.

If you know what vessel it is it might be located. If you believe there
might be some ship, owned by someone, operated by somebody, in the
vicinity of some location at some time I would love to know how you
propose to find out what the phone number of that unknown ship is.

I can assure you that steps were taken by B&Q's team to advise all marine
interests of her route and progress.

And just how can you assure me of that? Did her team know "all marine
interests" the owners of every little one-ship company that might have
had a ship on the sea and did call each one every day to provide them
all with updates?

Do you really believe what you have written, or is this some bizarre troll?

Rick