Rule 5 NOT violated
 

Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well
as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as
to make a full appraisal of the situation and
of the risk of collision.


Ellen's vessel was geared to manage this at all times. She violated no
rule. If you take this rule literally, you can't even go below for an
instant. In addition to this, her vessel was carefully tracked during
the voyage and it's course made precise beyond Neal's wildest dreams.
Sorry, Neal. You lost again! (Not that you were ever taken seriously to
begin with!)Ellen is a real sailor because she makes it her life and
it's her career. Neal can't claim the same.

Congrats to Ellen, a true sailor!

RB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Ellen's vessel was geared to manage this at all times. She violated no
rule. If you take this rule literally, you can't even go below for an
instant. In addition to this, her vessel was carefully tracked during
the voyage and it's course made precise beyond Neal's wildest dreams.

Which of course throws a shadow of doubt as to the justification of
referring to her accomplishment as a "Solo" venture....

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Ellen's vessel was geared to manage this at all times. She violated
no
rule. If you take this rule literally, you can't even go below for
an
instant. In addition to this, her vessel was carefully tracked
during
the voyage and it's course made precise beyond Neal's wildest
dreams.

Which of course throws a shadow of doubt as to the justification of
referring to her accomplishment as a "Solo" venture....

CM

How true Capt. Mooron,

Who needs a person aboard anyway. A remote controlled vessel could do
the same with another 200 grand. Just put a monkey in the cockpit.

The rules of the record needs to be changed. Something needs to be
added like NO-outside assistance at all. Or they need to make a new
catagory

Joe

CM,

You mean a shadow like the "No Fighting rule in Hockey?"

She sailed by the Rules of the Contest. The Solo label? The Race is a
lot different than the original. Then so is the first flight across the
Atlantic Ocean. Things are different today.

OT

Things are no different at all. People still want
to have their cake and eat it, too.

CN

"I don't fall down. That son of a b*tch knocked me over." -- John Kerry
on a Secret Service who got in his way while he was snowboarding


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
CM,

You mean a shadow like the "No Fighting rule in Hockey?"

She sailed by the Rules of the Contest. The Solo label? The Race is a
lot different than the original. Then so is the first flight across the
Atlantic Ocean. Things are different today.

OT

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
CM,

You mean a shadow like the "No Fighting rule in Hockey?"

She sailed by the Rules of the Contest. The Solo label? The Race is a
lot different than the original. Then so is the first flight across the
Atlantic Ocean. Things are different today.

Well Thom... to me Solo means just that... alone. Having a support team and
the highest tech gear aboard.... in constant communication with land based
support... isn't really solo to me.

I cannot in good faith detract from the accomplishment of Ellen's trip.....
but it's a media testing platform for new gear..... [ tactical to
practical.] . Sure things are different today..... and I'm not buying
Neal's position on the legalities and poor seamanship he claims was
involved. Neal would have Joshua Slocum imprisoned for failing to keep a
proper watch if that was the case.

Actually Neal's current position resembles closely the Liberal edict to
interfere and impose their nonsensical values on others.... Ellen's
support team knew by the minute her location and the location of every boat
in her vicinity at all times.

......that's not Solo Thom. That's a "Remote Crew"

CM

OzOne wrote in message

That would be interesting Joe.
Would it not be a tad foolish to commence any ocean voyage without
weather reports, charts and tables ,all prepared by others?

Certainly..... and having those updated on a 15 minute basis and downloaded
to an onboard computer that runs everything from the routing, steering and
communications is also good.... but I believe if you leave to do it
Solo... you should start and finish on your own... without a "Remote Crew"
doing the routing , navigation and communications from several land based
stations enroute. I bet they knew whenever she took a dump and what colour
toilet paper she used.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:GhaOd.14583$K54.10567@edtnps84...
Ellen's
support team knew by the minute her location and the location of every boat
in her vicinity at all times.

Bull****. Not every vessel carries a locator. Big shipping, perhaps, provided
their equipment isn't faulty or turned off but certainly not small private
yachts which could be run down and sunk by little dyke Ellen's flagrant
disregard for the Colregs and Rule 5 in particular.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:GhaOd.14583$K54.10567@edtnps84...
Ellen's support team knew by the minute her location and the location
of every boat in her vicinity at all times.

Bull****. Not every vessel carries a locator. Big shipping, perhaps,
provided
their equipment isn't faulty or turned off but certainly not small private
yachts which could be run down and sunk by little dyke Ellen's flagrant
disregard for the Colregs and Rule 5 in particular.

They would be in contravention if no sail plan was filed.... ham radio
routing would inform all vessels in the area of her route and location,
satellite phones are on most commercial and private yachts, sailors with
crew failing to maintain watch which includes radio broadcasts as per court
rulings would also be in breach if a collision occurred. More than likely
that every vessel passing close to her route would have been informed.

CM

"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . . ."

----Jeffypoo



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:TYaOd.14783$K54.859@edtnps84...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:GhaOd.14583$K54.10567@edtnps84...
Ellen's support team knew by the minute her location and the location of every boat in her vicinity at all times.

Bull****. Not every vessel carries a locator. Big shipping, perhaps, provided
their equipment isn't faulty or turned off but certainly not small private
yachts which could be run down and sunk by little dyke Ellen's flagrant
disregard for the Colregs and Rule 5 in particular.

They would be in contravention if no sail plan was filed.... ham radio routing would inform all vessels in the area of her route
and location, satellite phones are on most commercial and private yachts, sailors with crew failing to maintain watch which
includes radio broadcasts as per court rulings would also be in breach if a collision occurred. More than likely that every vessel
passing close to her route would have been informed.

CM

Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . .

Define "scanty".


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Wally" wrote in message . uk...
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . .

Define "scanty".

Webster defines scanty as 'barely sufficient'.

Barely sufficient is Bobsprit's brain.
Insufficient is your brain.

CN


wrote in message ...
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:03:32 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Wally" wrote in message . uk...
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . .

Define "scanty".

Webster defines scanty as 'barely sufficient'.

What is the difference between "barely sufficient" and "insufficient"?

BB

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:52:42 GMT, "Wally" scribbled
Assumptions based on womens underpants should almost certainly not be
made without further information or input.

Infatuated with Jonathan?

CN

"only just" sufficient

CN

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:03:32 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


"Wally" wrote in message . uk...
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . .

Define "scanty".

Webster defines scanty as 'barely sufficient'.

barely...but sufficient?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

TMI.

Neal is quite familiar with wearing pantyhose, but he never wears a wetsuit.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:08:36 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:52:42 GMT, "Wally" scribbled
Assumptions based on womens underpants should almost certainly not be
made without further information or input.

Infatuated with Jonathan?

CN

Does Jon wear knickers?
I often wear pantyhose under a long john wetsuit.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

CM,

I agree with you 100%. There also were more males than females doing the
very same thing. Don't find fault with Ellen because she won.

The Race has changed, the name hasn't. then the "World Series" still
clings to the name as does the "Stanely Cup' Play off.
The Rules change

I hope they don't stop the Race

Ole Thom

Nope, sufficient is defined as adequate to accomplish a purpose or meet a need.

Barely sufficient means insufficient or inadequate to accomplish a purpose or
meet a need.

What language do you putzes speak over there on the sixth continent? French?

CN

OzOne wrote in message ...

but still 'sufficient'

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:21:22 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:

"only just" sufficient

CN

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:03:32 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:


"Wally" wrote in message . uk...
Capt. Neal® wrote:
"Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information . .

Define "scanty".

Webster defines scanty as 'barely sufficient'.

barely...but sufficient?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote in message

Yep, that's true.
I wonder if her radar output was transmitted back to her base?

Why not..... it's a digital display and it's fed to the onboard computer....
it's simple to duplicate the display by sat up link to another computer.
That's not exactly cutting edge technology Ozone.

CM

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
CM,

I agree with you 100%. There also were more males than females doing the
very same thing. Don't find fault with Ellen because she won.

The Race has changed, the name hasn't. then the "World Series" still
clings to the name as does the "Stanely Cup' Play off.
The Rules change

I hope they don't stop the Race

They won't stop the race because it's a media platform to test new products
and they have to keep the race well advertised. It's a great thing... it
tests the new technology in real time and real life situations. The rules
will consistently be changed to adapt to prevailing conditions but that
won't ever make it a truly "solo" effort... not in my books.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

They would be in contravention if no sail plan was filed.... ham radio
routing would inform all vessels in the area of her route and location,

And just how many ships do you believe are monitoring a hobby radio?

satellite phones are on most commercial and private yachts,

Yeah, how many phone numbers do you have for those boats?

that every vessel passing close to her route would have been informed.

By whom and by what method?

You have some peculiar ideas about what kind of comms are monitored by
vessels at sea ... and how to get information to them and receive
information about their position.

Rick

Right you are Oz,

Some one always on watch. Now we have to know what the "RULE WIZARDS"
will have to say about that.

Ole Thom

wrote in message

That's because he's a... well... a moron!

Oh jeez... Bubba!! you mis-spelled it again... it's Mooron!