How Jeff sails . . .
 

Jeff Morris is sailing his catamaran in International waters, for once.

Instead of his usual motor trip down the Intracoastal Waterway, he has
decided to go the outside route between Morehead, N.C. and Savannah, Ga.

While about twenty miles offshore he notices he is gaining on another
sailboat, a monohull, which is off his port bow about a half mile away.
Both are on starboard tack and close reaching. He knows that Rule 12
designates him as the give way vessel.

He ignores Rule 12 and proceeds to fall off a little and uses his superior
boat speed to catch up to the other sailboat so he is soon close astern.
He then uses Rule 13 and heads up again so as to overtake allowing
the stand-on vessel according to Rule 13 to stand on.

He creates a close quarters situation because he believes he must follow Rule
13 because he maintains all the Colregs apply at all times.

If I were at the helm of his catamaran I would ignore superfluous Rule 13 and
head up a little and pass the other sailboat at a safe distance without having
to even think about Rule 13.

Who is the more prudent mariner?

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

He creates a close quarters situation because he believes he must follow
Rule
13 because he maintains all the Colregs apply at all times.

If I were at the helm of his catamaran I would ignore superfluous Rule 13
and
head up a little and pass the other sailboat at a safe distance without
having
to even think about Rule 13.

Who is the more prudent mariner?

Where is the mark, and which, if any, boats are sailing their proper course?

There's no mark. This is voyaging, not racing.

Both boats are en route from Morehead to Savannah in deep water.

International Rules apply.

CN




"Wally" wrote in message k...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

He creates a close quarters situation because he believes he must follow
Rule
13 because he maintains all the Colregs apply at all times.

If I were at the helm of his catamaran I would ignore superfluous Rule 13
and
head up a little and pass the other sailboat at a safe distance without
having
to even think about Rule 13.

Who is the more prudent mariner?

Where is the mark, and which, if any, boats are sailing their proper course?

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

There's no mark. This is voyaging, not racing.
Both boats are en route from Morehead to Savannah in deep water.
International Rules apply.

So, how do they transfer beer from one boat to the other?

Sling shot?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Wally" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

There's no mark. This is voyaging, not racing.
Both boats are en route from Morehead to Savannah in deep water.
International Rules apply.

So, how do they transfer beer from one boat to the other?

"JG" wrote in message

Sling shot?

Haven't tried that, but have tried throwing - they're hard to catch and can
land in the water. Better to sail close-quarters and hand them over. (Note
to Neal: sailing within half a mile of another boat isn't all that scary
once you've done it. The trick is to follow the primary rule: don't hit the
other boats.)

Maybe a little bag in the middle of a throwing line... ...several could be
transferred at once...

"Wally" wrote in message
k...
"JG" wrote in message

Sling shot?

Haven't tried that, but have tried throwing - they're hard to catch
and can
land in the water. Better to sail close-quarters and hand them over.
(Note
to Neal: sailing within half a mile of another boat isn't all that
scary
once you've done it. The trick is to follow the primary rule: don't
hit the
other boats.)


What rule # is that one, Wally?

Does it supersede # 13?

SV

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

The trick is to follow the primary rule: don't
hit the other boats.)

What rule # is that one, Wally?

Does it supersede # 13?

It was my MO in my first dinghy race. Unlike Neal, I considered half a metre
to be a reasonable margin...

Dinghy racing - half a meter? Sounds to me like
you were just begging someone to go in there..
S.

"Wally" wrote in message
k...
: "Scott Vernon" wrote in
message
:
: The trick is to follow the primary rule:
don't
: hit the other boats.)
:
: What rule # is that one, Wally?
:
: Does it supersede # 13?
:
: It was my MO in my first dinghy race. Unlike
Neal, I considered half a metre
: to be a reasonable margin...
:
:
:
:

All you have to do is pass them, then drop the beer in the water. They can
snag it when they get to it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Wally" wrote in message
k...
"JG" wrote in message

Sling shot?

Haven't tried that, but have tried throwing - they're hard to catch and
can
land in the water. Better to sail close-quarters and hand them over. (Note
to Neal: sailing within half a mile of another boat isn't all that scary
once you've done it. The trick is to follow the primary rule: don't hit
the
other boats.)

Maybe a little bag in the middle of a throwing line... ...several could be
transferred at once...

OzOne wrote in message ...

It was my MO in my first dinghy race. Unlike Neal, I considered half a
metre
to be a reasonable margin...

Half a metre?
How many boats got in there?

None - it was racing for novices and none of us knew what we were doing. The
real newbies were the ones sailing around, asking all and sundry, "has the
race started yet?".

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:51:21 -0500, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Capt._Neal=AE?=
wrote:

Instead of his usual motor trip down the Intracoastal Waterway, he has
decided to go the outside route between Morehead, N.C. and Savannah, Ga.

I assume Jeff is still motoring? I'm not sure if the American rules
are the same as the Dutch ones, but here a sailing yacht has priority
over one using the engine.

Cheers!

Remco

While working offshore for weeks at a time in a 57" long liner we had only 2
rules.
Rule #1: Maintain watches.
Rule #2 :The bigger the boat. the righter the way. We constantly dodged
Tanker an Container Vessels.
They are working on Hidden rule #1: Go slow lose money.
Mundo


"Remco Moedt" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:51:21 -0500, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Capt._Neal=AE?=
wrote:

Instead of his usual motor trip down the Intracoastal Waterway, he has
decided to go the outside route between Morehead, N.C. and Savannah, Ga.

I assume Jeff is still motoring? I'm not sure if the American rules
are the same as the Dutch ones, but here a sailing yacht has priority
over one using the engine.

Cheers!

Remco

Remco Moedt wrote:
I assume Jeff is still motoring? I'm not sure if the American rules
are the same as the Dutch ones, but here a sailing yacht has priority
over one using the engine.


Yes, it's the same here. A "vessel propelled by machinery" gives way to
one under sail, even if they both have masts & sails ;)

DSK

The more prudent mariner is the one that avoids a collision, regardless of
what the rules say.

Lonny


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Jeff Morris is sailing his catamaran in International waters, for once.

Instead of his usual motor trip down the Intracoastal Waterway, he has
decided to go the outside route between Morehead, N.C. and Savannah, Ga.

While about twenty miles offshore he notices he is gaining on another
sailboat, a monohull, which is off his port bow about a half mile away.
Both are on starboard tack and close reaching. He knows that Rule 12
designates him as the give way vessel.
He ignores Rule 12 and proceeds to fall off a little and uses his superior
boat speed to catch up to the other sailboat so he is soon close astern.
He then uses Rule 13 and heads up again so as to overtake allowing the
stand-on vessel according to Rule 13 to stand on.

He creates a close quarters situation because he believes he must follow
Rule
13 because he maintains all the Colregs apply at all times.
If I were at the helm of his catamaran I would ignore superfluous Rule 13
and
head up a little and pass the other sailboat at a safe distance without
having to even think about Rule 13.
Who is the more prudent mariner?

CN

DSK wrote:
Remco Moedt wrote:

I assume Jeff is still motoring? I'm not sure if the American rules
are the same as the Dutch ones, but here a sailing yacht has priority
over one using the engine.


Yes, it's the same here. A "vessel propelled by machinery" gives way to
one under sail, even if they both have masts & sails ;)

DSK

However, smaller (under 12M) motoring sailboats are not required to show
the inverted cone dayshape in Inland Waters. In fact, I've hardly ever
seen one in the US.daymark

The meaning of this is that you have to assume the other boat is
sailing, even if you suspect its propelled by machinery.

Yes, it's the same here. A "vessel propelled by machinery" gives way
to one under sail, even if they both have masts & sails ;)


Jeff Morris wrote:
However, smaller (under 12M) motoring sailboats are not required to show
the inverted cone dayshape in Inland Waters. In fact, I've hardly ever
seen one in the US.daymark


I have, not a lot but often enough.

The meaning of this is that you have to assume the other boat is
sailing, even if you suspect its propelled by machinery.

True.

The funny thing is that a lot of sailboaters (I use the term to
differentiate them from "sailors") who assume that any sailboat, even
when under power, has ROW over any motorboat. It's also amusing to see
people assume that being on autopilot gives them ROW.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

It was my MO in my first dinghy race. Unlike Neal, I considered half a
metre
to be a reasonable margin...

Half a metre?
How many boats got in there?


I didn't make this comment myself since so many others beat me to it ;)

Wally wrote:
None - it was racing for novices and none of us knew what we were doing. The
real newbies were the ones sailing around, asking all and sundry, "has the
race started yet?".


An interesting comparison and IMHO clearly shows the higher skill level
developed even for basic racing. Last week at the Bitter End there were
a lot of casual races, and there was always a group of sailors who could
not manage to get their boats to the line & across it smartly. But most
of them improved with some practice, and that practice also showed in
their docking after the race.

One of several reasons why I personally believe that racing small boats
is the best sailing school.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

So, you are agreeing with me in that when Jeff makes the ignorant statement
that ALL the Rules apply ALL the time and then goes about creating a close-quarters
situation in order to comply with Rule 13 instead of abiding by Rule 12, ignoring
Rule 13 and passing at a safe distance that Jeff is the less prudent mariner?

CN


"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message news:xOLLd.2714$7u1.2174@trnddc02...
The more prudent mariner is the one that avoids a collision, regardless of what the rules say.

Lonny


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ...
Jeff Morris is sailing his catamaran in International waters, for once.

Instead of his usual motor trip down the Intracoastal Waterway, he has
decided to go the outside route between Morehead, N.C. and Savannah, Ga.

While about twenty miles offshore he notices he is gaining on another sailboat, a monohull, which is off his port bow about a
half mile away. Both are on starboard tack and close reaching. He knows that Rule 12 designates him as the give way vessel.
He ignores Rule 12 and proceeds to fall off a little and uses his superior boat speed to catch up to the other sailboat so he is
soon close astern. He then uses Rule 13 and heads up again so as to overtake allowing the stand-on vessel according to Rule 13 to
stand on.

He creates a close quarters situation because he believes he must follow Rule
13 because he maintains all the Colregs apply at all times.
If I were at the helm of his catamaran I would ignore superfluous Rule 13 and
head up a little and pass the other sailboat at a safe distance without having to even think about Rule 13.
Who is the more prudent mariner?

CN

No Neal, I made the proper statement that all of the rules must be followed.

You made the exceptional stupid statement that you consider the rules
optional and you don't have to follow rules that you don't understand.

And why do you claim that following the rule that obligates an
overtaking vessel to stay clear is "creating a close quarters
situation"? Perhaps its because you lack the sailing skill to control
your boat?


Capt. Neal® wrote:
So, you are agreeing with me in that when Jeff makes the ignorant statement
that ALL the Rules apply ALL the time and then goes about creating a
close-quarters
situation in order to comply with Rule 13 instead of abiding by Rule
12, ignoring
Rule 13 and passing at a safe distance that Jeff is the less prudent
mariner?

CN


"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
news:xOLLd.2714$7u1.2174@trnddc02...

The more prudent mariner is the one that avoids a collision,
regardless of what the rules say.

Lonny


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Jeff Morris is sailing his catamaran in International waters, for once.

Instead of his usual motor trip down the Intracoastal Waterway, he has
decided to go the outside route between Morehead, N.C. and Savannah, Ga.

While about twenty miles offshore he notices he is gaining on another
sailboat, a monohull, which is off his port bow about a half mile
away. Both are on starboard tack and close reaching. He knows that
Rule 12 designates him as the give way vessel.
He ignores Rule 12 and proceeds to fall off a little and uses his
superior boat speed to catch up to the other sailboat so he is soon
close astern. He then uses Rule 13 and heads up again so as to
overtake allowing the stand-on vessel according to Rule 13 to stand on.

He creates a close quarters situation because he believes he must
follow Rule
13 because he maintains all the Colregs apply at all times.
If I were at the helm of his catamaran I would ignore superfluous
Rule 13 and
head up a little and pass the other sailboat at a safe distance
without having to even think about Rule 13.
Who is the more prudent mariner?

CN