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Mystery of the moved mooring
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years,
figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Is this possible ? |
How would anybody be able to attach the swivel -directly- to the chain?
It must have been attached with a shackle - a shackle that was not tightened properly or safety wired. The shackle pin worked its way out and fell away. The rest of the shackle also fell into the mud. Fire your yard guy. CN "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Is this possible ? |
Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D
Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
Overproof wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D snip Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] !/2" bar seems much too thin to carry 1500 lbs of weights plus the load imposed by the moored boat. |
Just be glad your boat wasn't still attached...
"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Is this possible ? |
"Edgar" wrote in message !/2" bar seems much too thin to carry 1500 lbs of weights plus the load imposed by the moored boat. 24 of them work just fine. You hoist via the 3 point attachment to the grader blades CM |
"Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ...
Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Is this possible ? Yes |
What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be
the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and
tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders',
by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct, technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84... Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and
works like a charm. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders', by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct, technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84... Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these
chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain. I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they look like they need it or not. CN I invite you to join the discussion at: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal "Overproof" wrote in message news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84... High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and works like a charm. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders', by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct, technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84... Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
As long as you are prepared to replace it at those intervals and carry out
periodical inspections... I can't see a problem. I set moorings for an estimated 10 year life span..... Materials are supplied by the client and I charge labour in Alcohol payment only. 4 flats of beer and 2 bottles of OP Lambs Navy! All 26 moorings in Yellowknife and 6 here are holding steady and secure.... some are over 15 years old. I've had a 110 foot loaded barge snag and tie to my mooring in Yellowknife in a major gale as it was drifting to shore. Stopped it dead in the water. He went through the mooring field and tried the same on 4 other moorings ... which snapped under the load. Mine held.... easily I had major orders for moorings the following spring break-up. CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain. I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they look like they need it or not. CN I invite you to join the discussion at: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal "Overproof" wrote in message news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84... High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and works like a charm. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders', by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct, technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84... Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
A good, secure mooring is a thing of beauty. You are providing
a valuable service providing them. All these fools who think being tied to a dock is anything but lubberly are not sailors enough to appreciate the inherent safety of a good mooring. A tip of the Captains hat to you. CN "Overproof" wrote in message news:2EIsd.316638$9b.305441@edtnps84... As long as you are prepared to replace it at those intervals and carry out periodical inspections... I can't see a problem. I set moorings for an estimated 10 year life span..... Materials are supplied by the client and I charge labour in Alcohol payment only. 4 flats of beer and 2 bottles of OP Lambs Navy! All 26 moorings in Yellowknife and 6 here are holding steady and secure.... some are over 15 years old. I've had a 110 foot loaded barge snag and tie to my mooring in Yellowknife in a major gale as it was drifting to shore. Stopped it dead in the water. He went through the mooring field and tried the same on 4 other moorings ... which snapped under the load. Mine held.... easily I had major orders for moorings the following spring break-up. CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain. I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they look like they need it or not. CN I invite you to join the discussion at: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal "Overproof" wrote in message news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84... High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and works like a charm. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders', by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct, technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84... Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
Thank You...
CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... A good, secure mooring is a thing of beauty. You are providing a valuable service providing them. All these fools who think being tied to a dock is anything but lubberly are not sailors enough to appreciate the inherent safety of a good mooring. A tip of the Captains hat to you. CN "Overproof" wrote in message news:2EIsd.316638$9b.305441@edtnps84... As long as you are prepared to replace it at those intervals and carry out periodical inspections... I can't see a problem. I set moorings for an estimated 10 year life span..... Materials are supplied by the client and I charge labour in Alcohol payment only. 4 flats of beer and 2 bottles of OP Lambs Navy! All 26 moorings in Yellowknife and 6 here are holding steady and secure.... some are over 15 years old. I've had a 110 foot loaded barge snag and tie to my mooring in Yellowknife in a major gale as it was drifting to shore. Stopped it dead in the water. He went through the mooring field and tried the same on 4 other moorings ... which snapped under the load. Mine held.... easily I had major orders for moorings the following spring break-up. CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... I use cheap, Chinese, 3/8" galvanized chain. I secure two of these chains to my mooring and use galvanized thimbles in the eye splice in the 1/2" lines. I use cheap Chinese galvanized shackles to attach the chain to the mooring and the rodes to the chain. I replace the chain and shackles every two years whether they look like they need it or not. CN I invite you to join the discussion at: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/altwe_love_CaptNeal "Overproof" wrote in message news:H7Isd.315920$9b.269660@edtnps84... High Carbon steel.... great stuff for a mooring. Non polluting... sturdy and works like a charm. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Commonly called 'road graders, in the business called 'motor graders', by lazy truckers 'graders'. What you're calling the blade is the bolt on 'edge', or what we call 'the cutter'. But, you are correct, technically that is the 'blade' and bolts to the 'plow'. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:0JGsd.314052$9b.289568@edtnps84... Yup [Motor Grader?? we call'em Graders]... used grader blades.... worn and tossed are about 8" to 10 " high and about 7' long. They have a 3/4" bolt hole every foot or so. That's what I use.... each weighs about 100 to 125 lbs. Your local highway yard has a pile of them in their yard at any given time. CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... What exactly do you call 'grader blades'. Around here, it would be the blade off a motor grader. 7' long, 2.5' high, about 800 lbs.. I doubt you're using 15 of these. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Overproof" wrote in message news:m3psd.229833$df2.178709@edtnps89... Heh Barett... thanx for a sailing related question! :-D Couple of questions... "Barrett Bonden" wrote in message ... Whole new mooring (mushroom , chain, ball) in 2001. Left it in 3 years, figuring less rusting than sitting in a yard over the winter and better holding as the mushroom buried itself. . Checked upper links with diving periodically and all was well. That's a proper maintainence schedule. You seasonally cleaned and inspected each link and the shackle to the mushroom as well as the shackle to the Mooring ball? Your chain lenght was 1.5 times maximun high tide? You utilized oversized swivel shackles on each end? After haling out the boat 3 weeks ago , I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk) and I called the yard to have it pulled. Yard guy was out of town, said he'd get to it this week. I check on it yesterday, and the ball and 10 feet of chain have drifted off to shore. Could you elbrate on the phrase.... "I noticed the top shackle was sliding into the ball,(junk)"..... The chain ends with a shackle and a swivel ; the bottom of the swivel is fine. This means (?) that the top link of the heavier chain has rusted, and that it must have gone from being able to hold a 30 foot sailboat to powder unable to hold itself in 3 weeks. Need a bit more info here..... you have a shackle and a swivel between your chain and the mushroom anchor? When you state " heavier chain"... do you mean a seperate section of heavier section of chain placed between the mushroom anchor and the main mooring chain to the mooring ball? What are you using for chain? Is this possible ? Look Barett... anything is possible... from link failure to the yard guy trying to haul it and breaking the chain. I check moorings and have placed moorings that have lasted for 10+ years. Go oversize... refer to first question.... inspect it seasonally and any other time you get a chance. Wire brush the chain and shackles every year. Replace anything that looks deformed..... I keep records and a photos of inspections for insurance purposes. I haven't tried the mushroom anchor yet .... I generally like to go with 15 grader blades of high carbon steel. I string them with threaded bar [1/2"].... and appropriate nuts and washers, I then place a 1 inch dia. PVC spacer cut to 4" in length on each rod between the grader blades. You end up with a 1500 lb weight that has immense holding power in silt and mud due to it's wide foot print and the cupping action of the grader blades under lift.. I used a three point attachment to the structure, fastened by shackles to the grader blades. This terminates into a single swivel shackle which is shackled to the main mooring chain and mooring ball. Hopes that helps..... Capt. Mooron - "Moor On with a Moorons Mooring" [Treat Your Crew with Disdain... and Other Vessels with Distaste"] |
Er-r-r-r.... Ozone... he didn't say a tip of the "Gold braided, Scarlet
Satin Lined, Gay, Greek Fisherman's Cap!! CM OzOne wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:46:18 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: A tip of the Captains hat to you. CN Seee Mooron.....he's got one too! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Mine is a baseball cap with scrambled egg looking stuff
on the bill and it says "Captain" on the front. CN "Overproof" wrote in message news:K1Lsd.238052$df2.23742@edtnps89... Er-r-r-r.... Ozone... he didn't say a tip of the "Gold braided, Scarlet Satin Lined, Gay, Greek Fisherman's Cap!! CM OzOne wrote in message ... On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:46:18 -0500, Capt. Neal® scribbled thusly: A tip of the Captains hat to you. CN Seee Mooron.....he's got one too! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
OzOne wrote in message Yeah well he can't afford a decent one...his is probably the plain black with the black plastic peak. Maybe I could send him one of my used ones...the hairspray keeps em looking quite nice. I'm certain He'll wear it while attempting to "break into" your computer! CM .. |
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