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I spoke with a sales rep in PA a few weeks ago. He was pushing the precast
foundation panels pretty hard. The price looked good (about 20K for 2000 sq ft, 9' ht) but I wondered about the thickness in terms of supporting the house. It also seemed odd that the panels sit on stone and not a poured footer. He assured me that wasn't a problem. The ICFs looked better to me than the factory poured panels. I'm budgeting about 100K for land and 200K for building. I'd rather reduce in size than in quality to meet budget. Scout "gonefishiing" wrote in message ... if you're interested: have a look at arcat.com a site for construction related resources. ICFs are ok. 9' high foundation walls will generally require reinforcing---depends are where the ground elevation is located relative to the basemnet floor. make sure you have it engineered. there are also precast foundation panel and insulation systems. personally, i'd stay away from them. usually VERY thin wall thickness. any movement (earth or thermal) ar water/freezing prolbems, and you will have bigger problems. just my view, of course. good luck gf. "Scout" wrote in message ... Aye, and it went quickly, as did one of the bikes. We're lightening the load for the move. We've been looking at homes for months and couldn't find one with all the features we'd like. We finally decided to find some land and build. I'm liking what I'm seeing in these ICF's (Insulated Concrete Forms) and would like to build a concrete home on top of a 2000 sq ft x 9' high basement. We've looked as far out as Bucktown and north to Pennsburg. www.rewardwalls.com Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... you sell your boat yet? "Scout" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... I'm not as drink as some people thunk I am |
if you don't mind i'll take this of the NG and send you an email
gf. "Scout" wrote in message ... I spoke with a sales rep in PA a few weeks ago. He was pushing the precast foundation panels pretty hard. The price looked good (about 20K for 2000 sq ft, 9' ht) but I wondered about the thickness in terms of supporting the house. It also seemed odd that the panels sit on stone and not a poured footer. He assured me that wasn't a problem. The ICFs looked better to me than the factory poured panels. I'm budgeting about 100K for land and 200K for building. I'd rather reduce in size than in quality to meet budget. Scout "gonefishiing" wrote in message ... if you're interested: have a look at arcat.com a site for construction related resources. ICFs are ok. 9' high foundation walls will generally require reinforcing---depends are where the ground elevation is located relative to the basemnet floor. make sure you have it engineered. there are also precast foundation panel and insulation systems. personally, i'd stay away from them. usually VERY thin wall thickness. any movement (earth or thermal) ar water/freezing prolbems, and you will have bigger problems. just my view, of course. good luck gf. "Scout" wrote in message ... Aye, and it went quickly, as did one of the bikes. We're lightening the load for the move. We've been looking at homes for months and couldn't find one with all the features we'd like. We finally decided to find some land and build. I'm liking what I'm seeing in these ICF's (Insulated Concrete Forms) and would like to build a concrete home on top of a 2000 sq ft x 9' high basement. We've looked as far out as Bucktown and north to Pennsburg. www.rewardwalls.com Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... you sell your boat yet? "Scout" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... I'm not as drink as some people thunk I am |
absolutely - thanks!
Scout "gonefishiing" wrote in message ... if you don't mind i'll take this of the NG and send you an email gf. "Scout" wrote in message ... I spoke with a sales rep in PA a few weeks ago. He was pushing the precast foundation panels pretty hard. The price looked good (about 20K for 2000 sq ft, 9' ht) but I wondered about the thickness in terms of supporting the house. It also seemed odd that the panels sit on stone and not a poured footer. He assured me that wasn't a problem. The ICFs looked better to me than the factory poured panels. I'm budgeting about 100K for land and 200K for building. I'd rather reduce in size than in quality to meet budget. Scout "gonefishiing" wrote in message ... if you're interested: have a look at arcat.com a site for construction related resources. ICFs are ok. 9' high foundation walls will generally require reinforcing---depends are where the ground elevation is located relative to the basemnet floor. make sure you have it engineered. there are also precast foundation panel and insulation systems. personally, i'd stay away from them. usually VERY thin wall thickness. any movement (earth or thermal) ar water/freezing prolbems, and you will have bigger problems. just my view, of course. good luck gf. "Scout" wrote in message ... Aye, and it went quickly, as did one of the bikes. We're lightening the load for the move. We've been looking at homes for months and couldn't find one with all the features we'd like. We finally decided to find some land and build. I'm liking what I'm seeing in these ICF's (Insulated Concrete Forms) and would like to build a concrete home on top of a 2000 sq ft x 9' high basement. We've looked as far out as Bucktown and north to Pennsburg. www.rewardwalls.com Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... you sell your boat yet? "Scout" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... I'm not as drink as some people thunk I am |
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:51:52 GMT, "Overproof"
wrote this crap: "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message "Horvath" wrote in message Wuss. I add vodka or rum to my beer, this is called "grog." Real sailors drink grog. Like I said - an alcoholic's idea of beer! Grog is not made with hard liquor and beer... Horvath is being a dumbass! From the earliest days of sail, men needed liquid during voyages. The most readily available liquids were water and beer. As there was no method of distillation or preservation, water was taken on board and stored in casks, replaced at the end of the voyage or at ports of call. Beer was also stored in casks and the ration. Water quickly developed algae and turned slimy, and beer turned sour, so the custom was to drink the beer before it soured and then turn to water. Stale water was sweetened to make it more palatable, and was often sweetened with beer or wine. The original ration of beer for seamen was a gallon a day, a significant amount to store over a long voyage. As the British Empire grew and longer voyages became more common, the problem of spoilage and shortages increased. The origin of grog lies with Vice-Admiral William Penn, father of the founder of Pennsylvania. In 1655, during Penn's campaign for Cromwell in the Indies, Penn arrived in Barbados and captured Jamaica. Unfortunately Jamaica had few stores of beer or wine. Jamaica did, however, have rum. Penn, therefore, began the use of rum as a ration. In the seventeenth century, an early form of rum was known as "rumbustion." In Elizabeth I's time, privateers and pirates traded in rum, and it was a liquor well-known to sailors. After 1655, as the Indies became an increasingly popular port, the use of rum increased. Although it became common, rum was not part of the "Regulations and Instructions Relating to His Majesty's Service at Sea" until 1731 at which time a half a pint of rum was made equal to the provision of a gallon of beer. In the early days this was specific only to ships in the West Indies, and rum was not diluted.(1) http://www.contemplator.com/history/grog.html Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern Ontario
called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses. I have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in Michigan last month as well. "Overproof" wrote in message news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89... "DSK" wrote in message BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that nobody who walked into the store knew what it was. BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local Private Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is that??? Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer! That's why! [It's about beer.... it's about sailing] CM Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel |
LOL!
That is still one of my favourite movies. I don't know if the satire works as well for people too young to remember those days. I still remember the testing of the air raid sirens. "Bob Crantz" wrote in message k.net... Grain alcohol and rainwater for me! Amen! Peace on earth! Purity of essence! Bob Crantz "Overproof" wrote in message news:8U7sd.228737$df2.81666@edtnps89... Although I can concur on your previously stated opinion regarding personal tastes in beer, and I'll admit, as I have in the past, that I have not sampled more than the commercial variety offered by your nation.... but, I'll have to disagree with your premise on alcohol content. I normally drink a beer that is 7.5% alcohol. It's a fine tasting brew and has a nice slightly bitter after taste. Now I don't consider a beer to be strong unless it approaches 9 %. The typical 4.5% offered by American beers is not considered an alcoholic beverage up here... it's barely palatable if served very cold and you can consume it all day in great quantities without suffering any intoxication. The true test of a beer is if it is still enjoyable at room temperature. I don't personally like Ice cold beer unless it's a very hot day. My current alcohol tolerance as tested by the local constabulary with a breathalyzer is below the 0.5 PPM reading after 8 of my usual brews within 4 hours. When I want to get drunk... I really have to turn to 151 proof rum or the Alcool offered in Quebec that clocks in at 96% CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... What the beer drinkers of other countries beside the good ole USA don't seem to realize is that more is not necessarily better. More alcohol in beer is definitely not better. If I want a bunch of alcohol, I'll drink Jack Black on the rocks. When I drink beer, I want to be able to drink a whole bunch of beer without getting drunk nor do I want to taste a bunch of heavy alcohol which ruins the fine taste of hops and barley and malt. Beer over five percent alcohol is not real beer at all in this sailor's opinion. It is an alcoholic's idea of beer. CN "Michael" wrote in message ... That's cause Canadians have this born to it, built in disdain for anything not made in Canada. At one time US beer was known for being weak and insipid, Snipped remainder |
I watch it frequently!
"If we hit the Ruskies with everything we've got, we'll lose 10 . . . 20 million . . . TOPS! Scout "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... LOL! That is still one of my favourite movies. I don't know if the satire works as well for people too young to remember those days. I still remember the testing of the air raid sirens. "Bob Crantz" wrote in message k.net... Grain alcohol and rainwater for me! Amen! Peace on earth! Purity of essence! Bob Crantz "Overproof" wrote in message news:8U7sd.228737$df2.81666@edtnps89... Although I can concur on your previously stated opinion regarding personal tastes in beer, and I'll admit, as I have in the past, that I have not sampled more than the commercial variety offered by your nation.... but, I'll have to disagree with your premise on alcohol content. I normally drink a beer that is 7.5% alcohol. It's a fine tasting brew and has a nice slightly bitter after taste. Now I don't consider a beer to be strong unless it approaches 9 %. The typical 4.5% offered by American beers is not considered an alcoholic beverage up here... it's barely palatable if served very cold and you can consume it all day in great quantities without suffering any intoxication. The true test of a beer is if it is still enjoyable at room temperature. I don't personally like Ice cold beer unless it's a very hot day. My current alcohol tolerance as tested by the local constabulary with a breathalyzer is below the 0.5 PPM reading after 8 of my usual brews within 4 hours. When I want to get drunk... I really have to turn to 151 proof rum or the Alcool offered in Quebec that clocks in at 96% CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... What the beer drinkers of other countries beside the good ole USA don't seem to realize is that more is not necessarily better. More alcohol in beer is definitely not better. If I want a bunch of alcohol, I'll drink Jack Black on the rocks. When I drink beer, I want to be able to drink a whole bunch of beer without getting drunk nor do I want to taste a bunch of heavy alcohol which ruins the fine taste of hops and barley and malt. Beer over five percent alcohol is not real beer at all in this sailor's opinion. It is an alcoholic's idea of beer. CN "Michael" wrote in message ... That's cause Canadians have this born to it, built in disdain for anything not made in Canada. At one time US beer was known for being weak and insipid, Snipped remainder |
its a dirty job...but, someone has to do it....
Oh My... such tender sensitivities harboured by a nation bent on global domination!! CM |
What did you think of it? I haven't tried it yet.
CM "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern Ontario called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses. I have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in Michigan last month as well. "Overproof" wrote in message news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89... "DSK" wrote in message BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that nobody who walked into the store knew what it was. BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local Private Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is that??? Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer! That's why! [It's about beer.... it's about sailing] CM Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel |
Quite drinkable.
A bit stronger tasting (more hops?) than "regular" beer, but otherwise unremarkable. It is yellow in colour, and I have only seen it on tap. "Overproof" wrote in message news:IGFsd.312980$9b.208049@edtnps84... What did you think of it? I haven't tried it yet. CM "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern Ontario called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses. I have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in Michigan last month as well. "Overproof" wrote in message news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89... "DSK" wrote in message BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that nobody who walked into the store knew what it was. BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local Private Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is that??? Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer! That's why! [It's about beer.... it's about sailing] CM Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel |
Which one is Crapton... I think he's the one with the arm that keeps trying
to do the nazi salute. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... I watch it frequently! "If we hit the Ruskies with everything we've got, we'll lose 10 . . . 20 million . . . TOPS! Scout "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... LOL! That is still one of my favourite movies. I don't know if the satire works as well for people too young to remember those days. I still remember the testing of the air raid sirens. "Bob Crantz" wrote in message k.net... Grain alcohol and rainwater for me! Amen! Peace on earth! Purity of essence! Bob Crantz "Overproof" wrote in message news:8U7sd.228737$df2.81666@edtnps89... Although I can concur on your previously stated opinion regarding personal tastes in beer, and I'll admit, as I have in the past, that I have not sampled more than the commercial variety offered by your nation.... but, I'll have to disagree with your premise on alcohol content. I normally drink a beer that is 7.5% alcohol. It's a fine tasting brew and has a nice slightly bitter after taste. Now I don't consider a beer to be strong unless it approaches 9 %. The typical 4.5% offered by American beers is not considered an alcoholic beverage up here... it's barely palatable if served very cold and you can consume it all day in great quantities without suffering any intoxication. The true test of a beer is if it is still enjoyable at room temperature. I don't personally like Ice cold beer unless it's a very hot day. My current alcohol tolerance as tested by the local constabulary with a breathalyzer is below the 0.5 PPM reading after 8 of my usual brews within 4 hours. When I want to get drunk... I really have to turn to 151 proof rum or the Alcool offered in Quebec that clocks in at 96% CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... What the beer drinkers of other countries beside the good ole USA don't seem to realize is that more is not necessarily better. More alcohol in beer is definitely not better. If I want a bunch of alcohol, I'll drink Jack Black on the rocks. When I drink beer, I want to be able to drink a whole bunch of beer without getting drunk nor do I want to taste a bunch of heavy alcohol which ruins the fine taste of hops and barley and malt. Beer over five percent alcohol is not real beer at all in this sailor's opinion. It is an alcoholic's idea of beer. CN "Michael" wrote in message ... That's cause Canadians have this born to it, built in disdain for anything not made in Canada. At one time US beer was known for being weak and insipid, Snipped remainder |
Ah... yet another Belgian Blonde on the market.... :-)
CM "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... Quite drinkable. A bit stronger tasting (more hops?) than "regular" beer, but otherwise unremarkable. It is yellow in colour, and I have only seen it on tap. "Overproof" wrote in message news:IGFsd.312980$9b.208049@edtnps84... What did you think of it? I haven't tried it yet. CM "Steve Thomas" wrote in message ... There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern Ontario called "Stella Artois". Last spring they were giving away free glasses. I have not seen advertizing for it except in bars, but I saw it in Michigan last month as well. "Overproof" wrote in message news:dp5sd.227537$df2.96016@edtnps89... "DSK" wrote in message BTW the fact that it didn't sell doesn't mean it's bad... just that nobody who walked into the store knew what it was. BTW - Samuel Adams advertises here because we get most of your TV channels..... nobody knows about Belgian Beer... but the local Private Outlet authorized to import it is consistently sold out... why is that??? Let me explain it to you.... you guys know **** when it comes to beer! That's why! [It's about beer.... it's about sailing] CM Proud Owner of a Canadian Vessel |
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SAIL LOCO wrote:
The absolute best American beer is New Amsterdam. Micro brewery in New York. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" The absolute best beer in The World is that ice cold brew you pull out of a bed of ice after digging post holes in clay and rock under a 30 degree sun all day! Brand does not enter into the equation. Been there, done that, didn't even get a frickin T shirt. Cheers Marty |
Steve Thomas wrote:
There is a Belgian beer being promoted and sold in bars in southern Ontario called "Stella Artois". It's become fairly popular here in southern Ontario, personally I find it a little on the bitter side, I lean to Harp and Bass, or if Im hungry one of the Brown Ales. Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ---------------------- For a quality mail server, try SurgeMail, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. Run a million users on a standard PC running NT or Unix without running out of power, use the best! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_surgemail.htm ---- |
John Cairns wrote:
You guys are behind the times out in the boonies. Brewer's Retail has been carrying American brands for decades. Your probably correct John, Mooron does after all reside in Nova Scotia; a province that lies between Newfounland and The Eastern Townships on the backwardness scale. Samuel Adams is available in Ontario Brewers Retail outlets, though I have yet to gird up my loins and find the courage to try it. It's not the thought of the beer that requires the courage it's perfoming CPR on the guy behind the counter if I ordered an American beer. Cheers Marty (who is on a first name basis with the staff of three Brewers Retail stores) |
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message Samuel Adams is available in Ontario Brewers Retail outlets, though I have yet to gird up my loins and find the courage to try it. It's not the thought of the beer that requires the courage it's perfoming CPR on the guy behind the counter if I ordered an American beer. Agreed. Just buy horse urine, er Molson, and keep everyone healthy. Max |
Maxprop wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message Agreed. Just buy horse urine, er Molson, and keep everyone healthy. If that's meant to be an insult you're barking up the wrong tree, I generally agree with you, non of the big brand beers in either the US or Canada is good for much besides putting out fires. Cheers Marty |
"Martin Baxter" wrote
... none of the big brand beers in either the US or Canada is good for much besides putting out fires. Thats because most Americans (and I presume Canadians) do not like beer - they just want to get drunk. You have to hunt down a local mini-brewery run by folks who like beer. |
"Martin Baxter" wrote If that's meant to be an insult you're barking up the wrong tree, I generally agree with you, non of the big brand beers in either the US or Canada is good for much besides putting out fires. yet they sell, what, at least a few hundred cans a day. Scotty |
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: "Martin Baxter" wrote in message Agreed. Just buy horse urine, er Molson, and keep everyone healthy. If that's meant to be an insult you're barking up the wrong tree, I generally agree with you, non of the big brand beers in either the US or Canada is good for much besides putting out fires. Why would that be an insult? My country produces copious quantities of the blandest liquid this side of dishwater and calls it beer. While Molson is no better, it doesn't excuse the crap we "brew" here. My comment was just a way of saying "don't rock the boat," if that's what you are disinclined to do. The majority of people on our dock won't drink my beer. Comments such as "too hoppy" or "not refreshing" are heard in the excuses. Fine. It simply means I'm not underwriting the beer consumption requirements for others, allowing more for my wife and me, and saving me money. Certainly there are some good Cannuck microbrews that you could buy without inducing a vaso-vagal response in your local liquor store employees. Max |
Max is only partly correct...the people on his dock will say those thing up
to about 7 pm and then they will drink almost anything put before them with no complaints whatsoever... "Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Martin Baxter" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: "Martin Baxter" wrote in message Agreed. Just buy horse urine, er Molson, and keep everyone healthy. If that's meant to be an insult you're barking up the wrong tree, I generally agree with you, non of the big brand beers in either the US or Canada is good for much besides putting out fires. Why would that be an insult? My country produces copious quantities of the blandest liquid this side of dishwater and calls it beer. While Molson is no better, it doesn't excuse the crap we "brew" here. My comment was just a way of saying "don't rock the boat," if that's what you are disinclined to do. The majority of people on our dock won't drink my beer. Comments such as "too hoppy" or "not refreshing" are heard in the excuses. Fine. It simply means I'm not underwriting the beer consumption requirements for others, allowing more for my wife and me, and saving me money. Certainly there are some good Cannuck microbrews that you could buy without inducing a vaso-vagal response in your local liquor store employees. Max |
"katysails" wrote in message Max is only partly correct...the people on his dock will say those thing up to about 7 pm and then they will drink almost anything put before them with no complaints whatsoever... All too true. Max |
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