it's possible, I wouldn't have noticed.

Scotty

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Someone threw rocks at you? How sad!

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yeah, me too, better than a TV, especially when stoned.

Scotty

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the
weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one
too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey
haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper!
Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!

Did some one catch him in adultery? That's usually why they stone people...
Lisa will be really PO'd...

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Someone threw rocks at you? How sad!

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yeah, me too, better than a TV, especially when stoned.

Scotty

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the
weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one
too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper!
Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!

I think you are confused because you aren't familiar with the usual
hurricane tracks in this part of the world. Jeanne and Frances are
two hurricanes we had this year. Both moved out of the Leeward
islands on a general northwesterly path up through the Bahamas
chain. Frances was a full blown hurricane while Jeanne was
a tropical storm that took a path than included a loop before
she turned into a hurricane and made her way across the
northern Bahamas. In both cases winds associated with
the circulation of these storms commenced out or the North
East. Had one left one of the Bahamas that were in the
path of Jeanne, going on a close reach on a starboard tack
would have gotten you dead in the case of Jeanne and
directly in the NE (bad) quadrant of Frances (a category 5
at the time).

Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...
No, it will mean you never leave the quadrant as you will be sailing
parallel or towards the hurricane track. The hurricane moves ~ NW until
it recurves.

I say again, you sail close hauled on starboard tack away from the
likely track as fast as possible

Isn't it interesting that no one else is commenting on this sailing thread?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...



It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:




That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...




Capt. Neal® wrote:





ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm proud to be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for the rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that bad. They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they think a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.

I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug

Spoken like the right wing freak that you are....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm proud to
be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for the
rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that bad.
They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they think
a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.

I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug

I think you are confused because you aren't familiar with the usual
hurricane tracks in this part of the world. Jeanne and Frances are
two hurricanes we had this year. Both moved out of the Leeward
islands on a general northwesterly path up through the Bahamas
chain. Frances was a full blown hurricane while Jeanne was
a tropical storm that took a path than included a loop before
she turned into a hurricane and made her way across the
northern Bahamas. In both cases winds associated with
the circulation of these storms commenced out or the North
East. Had one left one of the Bahamas that were in the
path of Jeanne, going on a close reach on a starboard tack
would have gotten you dead in the case of Jeanne and
directly in the NE (bad) quadrant of Frances (a category 5
at the time).

Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.

CN

As for nobody else commenting. How could they? For
them a hurricane is something to evacuate their house
for.



"Nav" wrote in message ...
No, it will mean you never leave the quadrant as you will be sailing
parallel or towards the hurricane track. The hurricane moves ~ NW until
it recurves.

I say again, you sail close hauled on starboard tack away from the
likely track as fast as possible

Isn't it interesting that no one else is commenting on this sailing thread?

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Depends where you are in respect to the dangerous quadrant.

For example. Say I am in George Town in the Bahamas and a
'cane is coming up from the Mona passage area.

In George Town I would first feel a wind from the Northeast
as it approaches.

I put the NE wind on my starboard quarter and sail off
towards the Cay Sal bank and Cuba. This direction will
get me out of danger of the dangerous quadrant and
allow me to sail a nice comfortable broad reach.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...

I don't think this right. In the northern hemisphere, you should try
escape the most dangerous quadrant by sailing close hauled on starboard
to move off the hurricane track as fast as possible.

Cheers

Capt. Neal® wrote:

One escapes the dangerous quadrant (assuming sea room all around)
[and in the northern hemisphere] not by beating into the winds
but by putting them on one's quarter.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


You would not try to escape the dangerous quadrant of a storm or worse?

Cheers



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Yes it will. Cruisers don't even attempt to go to weather
in those conditions. There's always an alternative destination
downwind.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...



It won't ride over them and stay dry they get 4m high.

Chhers

Capt. Neal® wrote:




That's where you racers fail to appreciate a real cruising
boat. Look at my bow. It does not bury and throw spray
the length of the boat. It does not have that slack entry
like race boats nor a hull design with no shear so the bow is
no higher than the gunnels in the center of the yacht.

I've seen race boats punching through waves. My fine
blue water cruising yacht rides up and over the waves.

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...




Capt. Neal® wrote:





ON A SPLIT BACKSTAY WAY DOWN ON THE COAMING?
You must have an awfully poor design there. The only time
I get salt water in the cockpit is running downwind in a
gale.

Upwind it's dry.


Have you really never sailed to windward in a big sea -you know when the
bow buries and spray flies everywhere?

Cheers

Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old 300
gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper! Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!

Starbuck's is nasty stuff....Tanzanian Peaberry...that's one of the best
beans around....also almost any bean from Kenya...

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm proud to
be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for the
rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that bad.
They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they think
a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.

I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug

If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

SV

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish
about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm
proud to be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just
the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks
Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for
the rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that
bad. They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they
think a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.

I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The
World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really
hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important
things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock
four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose
at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug

Well, that's more like it. I have a few of those tanks out back. Did
you cut it vertically or horizontally? Truck wheels make nice fire
rings for campsites.

Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an
old 300
gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the
weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one
too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey
haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper!
Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!