"Gilligan" wrote in message
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Whose morality?

Many societies use drugs as part of religious ceremonies.

Is being addicted to nicotine immoral? Cigarettes, a drug delivery device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.

Are taking drugs immoral or the intention behind taking them?

Gilligan

Well I would think that most believe just the taking makes it immoral,
without even bothering to delve into motivation. Not my morality, mind you.
John Cairns



"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:35:14 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Most thoughtful individuals feel that the best method of
approaching the issue of drug abuse is to treat it as a public health
issue,
which it is.

Neat little rhetorical trick, John--define anyone who disagrees with
you
as
not "thoughtful." The statement then becomes a tautology.



Why thank you! Seriously though, I have to think for most the issue is
one
of morality, it is immoral to take drugs, therefore they should be
illegal.
If there are any other issues, people using drugs when they shouldn't, we
have the technology and money to enforce those prohibitions. The thing
is,
what we're doing now _doesn't_ work, we might consider alternatives.
John Cairns

Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?
Everything was put here for a reason. Maybe one of the reasons is to help us
enjoy life.
Scout

"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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Whose morality?

Many societies use drugs as part of religious ceremonies.

Is being addicted to nicotine immoral? Cigarettes, a drug delivery
device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.

Are taking drugs immoral or the intention behind taking them?

Gilligan

Well I would think that most believe just the taking makes it immoral,
without even bothering to delve into motivation. Not my morality, mind
you.
John Cairns



"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:35:14 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Most thoughtful individuals feel that the best method of
approaching the issue of drug abuse is to treat it as a public health
issue,
which it is.

Neat little rhetorical trick, John--define anyone who disagrees with
you
as
not "thoughtful." The statement then becomes a tautology.



Why thank you! Seriously though, I have to think for most the issue is
one
of morality, it is immoral to take drugs, therefore they should be
illegal.
If there are any other issues, people using drugs when they shouldn't,
we
have the technology and money to enforce those prohibitions. The thing
is,
what we're doing now _doesn't_ work, we might consider alternatives.
John Cairns

That's the secret: enjoy life! Amen!

Gilligan

"Scout" wrote in message
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Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal
relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state
of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because
of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His
creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?
Everything was put here for a reason. Maybe one of the reasons is to help
us
enjoy life.
Scout

"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
ink.net...
Whose morality?

Many societies use drugs as part of religious ceremonies.

Is being addicted to nicotine immoral? Cigarettes, a drug delivery
device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.

Are taking drugs immoral or the intention behind taking them?

Gilligan

Well I would think that most believe just the taking makes it immoral,
without even bothering to delve into motivation. Not my morality, mind
you.
John Cairns



"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:35:14 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Most thoughtful individuals feel that the best method of
approaching the issue of drug abuse is to treat it as a public
health
issue,
which it is.

Neat little rhetorical trick, John--define anyone who disagrees with
you
as
not "thoughtful." The statement then becomes a tautology.



Why thank you! Seriously though, I have to think for most the issue is
one
of morality, it is immoral to take drugs, therefore they should be
illegal.
If there are any other issues, people using drugs when they shouldn't,
we
have the technology and money to enforce those prohibitions. The thing
is,
what we're doing now _doesn't_ work, we might consider alternatives.
John Cairns

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:37:29 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?

God created evil, as well as the good.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

do you also have a Bible called the Red Dude?
Scout

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:37:29 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal
relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state
of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because
of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His
creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?

God created evil, as well as the good.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote

God created evil, as well as the good.



Yes - but God did not want us to know the difference (Gen 2:17). Ain't that
a 'beach'? He also forbid eternal life. It follows that those who proclaim
this good and that evil, and offer everlasting life to those who believe
their definitions are in fact tools of Satan - right?

"Scout" wrote
Everything was put here for a reason. Maybe one of the reasons is to help
us
enjoy life.

Watch out grin. Next you'll be saying it's OK to have sex other than to
produce a baby! Very unchristian!

like the priest who dies and St Peter says to him, "you've misunderstood, He
said CELEBRATE, not celibate!"
scout

"Vito" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote
Everything was put here for a reason. Maybe one of the reasons is to help
us
enjoy life.

Watch out grin. Next you'll be saying it's OK to have sex other than
to
produce a baby! Very unchristian!

"John Cairns" wrote
Well I would think that most believe just the taking makes it immoral,

Why would you think that? IIRC most Americans (at least) have experimented
with illegal drugs.