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Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
But, how does one define a 'victim'? Victim: Someone hurt by someones elses actions. Does a victim have to be a human being? If so, it would not be a crime to kill endangered species. yes it would, you would be taking that species away from other people who enjoy them. Its like stealing. It would not be a crime to wantonly pollute the environment. yes it would. You do not own the enviroment...it owns you. You could just dump your crap anywhere. Then others would have to pay to clean it up. The ones who pay are victims. And what about shooting somebody's dog. A dog certainly is not human. It is property of another human. And it has a right to be treated humainly. Until you can define 'victim' it is ludicrous to use the term 'victimless crime'. Can the environment be a victim? Yes Can a fetus be a victim? Yes Can an empty building somebody torches be a victim? Yes if it has an owner, or someone has to pay to put it out. "Victimless crime" - a typical example of liberal doublespeak. It's not that complicated Neal. Joe Shame on Gilligan and any others for using the term, let alone advocating for it. CN "Joe" wrote in message om... Horvath wrote in message . .. On 24 Nov 2004 18:55:21 -0800, (Joe) wrote this crap: Horvath wrote in message . .. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:16:27 GMT, "Gilligan" wrote this crap: I'm no liberal in the modern sense at all. I'm a classic liberal or libertarian. I think drugs should be legal. You've probably never seen one of your good friends whacked out on coke. So what? Ive seen thousand wacked out on Jack Daniels and such. You have no idea what you are talking about. It's completely different. BULL****! Ive seen it all from junkies covered with cotton feaver sores to dead drunks with there faces split in half when they had a head on wreck with a telephone pole. Once I had the pleasure of scraping a young girl off a submarine she did a swan dive on from 8 stories up, she was drunk and doing acid. Oh and the guy who choked on his own vomit while on smack, he drowned. But face it Horvath aint nothing you can do. If they want it they will get it and take it. Ive got better things to do then babysit retards who can not control thier own actions or handle thier drug of choice. And I think anyone should be free to do or take what ever he or she choses to do. Be an adult and be responsiable for your own actions. BTW I also know many people that smoke weed daily and own multi million dollars businesses or have high profile careers and have no problem with it at all. Just like I know some people that know when to say when while drinking. It aint the type of drug, it's the type of person using that drug. Like Gilligan said, all victim less crimes should be abolished. And the people that do victimise others should pay to the max. Joe Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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It is very complicated because the term victimless crime is
a non sequitur. By definition if there is a crime there is a victim or it would not be a crime. One can stretch and stretch and always find a victim. What if you cut down a tree. The tree is a victim? Is it a crime to cut down a tree. Or does the tree have to be owned by a human and the human becomes a victim before cutting down of the tree becomes a crime? My point is it is stupid to use liberal double speak to attempt to help your cause. Calling smoking pot a victimless crime plays right into the hands of the liberals who demand pot remain illegal. When you say smoking pot is a victimless crime they can say it is a crime and they can go to extreme lengths to find a victim so, in this manner, they prevail. If libertarians and any other right thinking people would stop using liberal double speak like victimless crime they would have a much better chance of getting their agenda accepted as reasonable. Don't use the term victimless crime at all. Stop playing the liberal PC and double speak game. They will beat you every time as long as your attempt to fight them on their own terms. Is this so hard to understand? Just say smoking pot is no crime and make the liberals prove it is. All they will be able to come up with is court rulings. Conservatives have the Constitution which gives us unalienable rights among which are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If smoking pot makes me happy then it is Constitutionally guaranteed as long as I don't force it on somebody else. CN "Joe" wrote in message om... Capt. Neal® wrote in message ... But, how does one define a 'victim'? Victim: Someone hurt by someones elses actions. Does a victim have to be a human being? If so, it would not be a crime to kill endangered species. yes it would, you would be taking that species away from other people who enjoy them. Its like stealing. It would not be a crime to wantonly pollute the environment. yes it would. You do not own the enviroment...it owns you. You could just dump your crap anywhere. Then others would have to pay to clean it up. The ones who pay are victims. And what about shooting somebody's dog. A dog certainly is not human. It is property of another human. And it has a right to be treated humainly. Until you can define 'victim' it is ludicrous to use the term 'victimless crime'. Can the environment be a victim? Yes Can a fetus be a victim? Yes Can an empty building somebody torches be a victim? Yes if it has an owner, or someone has to pay to put it out. "Victimless crime" - a typical example of liberal doublespeak. It's not that complicated Neal. Joe Shame on Gilligan and any others for using the term, let alone advocating for it. CN "Joe" wrote in message om... Horvath wrote in message . .. On 24 Nov 2004 18:55:21 -0800, (Joe) wrote this crap: Horvath wrote in message . .. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:16:27 GMT, "Gilligan" wrote this crap: I'm no liberal in the modern sense at all. I'm a classic liberal or libertarian. I think drugs should be legal. You've probably never seen one of your good friends whacked out on coke. So what? Ive seen thousand wacked out on Jack Daniels and such. You have no idea what you are talking about. It's completely different. BULL****! Ive seen it all from junkies covered with cotton feaver sores to dead drunks with there faces split in half when they had a head on wreck with a telephone pole. Once I had the pleasure of scraping a young girl off a submarine she did a swan dive on from 8 stories up, she was drunk and doing acid. Oh and the guy who choked on his own vomit while on smack, he drowned. But face it Horvath aint nothing you can do. If they want it they will get it and take it. Ive got better things to do then babysit retards who can not control thier own actions or handle thier drug of choice. And I think anyone should be free to do or take what ever he or she choses to do. Be an adult and be responsiable for your own actions. BTW I also know many people that smoke weed daily and own multi million dollars businesses or have high profile careers and have no problem with it at all. Just like I know some people that know when to say when while drinking. It aint the type of drug, it's the type of person using that drug. Like Gilligan said, all victim less crimes should be abolished. And the people that do victimise others should pay to the max. Joe Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote
By definition if there is a crime there is a victim or it would not be a crime. That's not what we learned in our criminal justice classes. Crimes are any infractions of the law as it is written, victim or not. |
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"Joe" wrote
Capt. Neal® wrote But, how does one define a 'victim'? Victim: Someone hurt by someones elses actions.! In Compton (So of LA) it's any man less than 6' tall and under 240# who went out without his gun (c: |
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