Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?
Everything was put here for a reason. Maybe one of the reasons is to help us
enjoy life.
Scout

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
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Whose morality?

Many societies use drugs as part of religious ceremonies.

Is being addicted to nicotine immoral? Cigarettes, a drug delivery
device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.

Are taking drugs immoral or the intention behind taking them?

Gilligan

Well I would think that most believe just the taking makes it immoral,
without even bothering to delve into motivation. Not my morality, mind
you.
John Cairns



"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:35:14 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Most thoughtful individuals feel that the best method of
approaching the issue of drug abuse is to treat it as a public health
issue,
which it is.

Neat little rhetorical trick, John--define anyone who disagrees with
you
as
not "thoughtful." The statement then becomes a tautology.



Why thank you! Seriously though, I have to think for most the issue is
one
of morality, it is immoral to take drugs, therefore they should be
illegal.
If there are any other issues, people using drugs when they shouldn't,
we
have the technology and money to enforce those prohibitions. The thing
is,
what we're doing now _doesn't_ work, we might consider alternatives.
John Cairns

That's the secret: enjoy life! Amen!

Gilligan

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal
relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state
of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because
of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His
creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?
Everything was put here for a reason. Maybe one of the reasons is to help
us
enjoy life.
Scout

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
ink.net...
Whose morality?

Many societies use drugs as part of religious ceremonies.

Is being addicted to nicotine immoral? Cigarettes, a drug delivery
device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.

Are taking drugs immoral or the intention behind taking them?

Gilligan

Well I would think that most believe just the taking makes it immoral,
without even bothering to delve into motivation. Not my morality, mind
you.
John Cairns



"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:35:14 GMT, "John Cairns"
said:

Most thoughtful individuals feel that the best method of
approaching the issue of drug abuse is to treat it as a public
health
issue,
which it is.

Neat little rhetorical trick, John--define anyone who disagrees with
you
as
not "thoughtful." The statement then becomes a tautology.



Why thank you! Seriously though, I have to think for most the issue is
one
of morality, it is immoral to take drugs, therefore they should be
illegal.
If there are any other issues, people using drugs when they shouldn't,
we
have the technology and money to enforce those prohibitions. The thing
is,
what we're doing now _doesn't_ work, we might consider alternatives.
John Cairns

What exactly caused this? Name the legislation and I'll certainly look into
it.

Gilligan

"Michael" wrote in message
...
That is left to the States. The Constitution limits and delegates powers
to
the Federal Government. Those powers that aren't are left to The People
and
the States respectively.


Where did you ever get such foolishness as the above statement? That has
been gone, finished, zipped, zeroed, nada'd, goose egged for many many
decades. The states can do nothing without permission from and in
compliance with the rules and regulations of the federal government. The
states have no power whatsoever and in point of fact serve no useful
function anymore. They are leftover and for that matter highly
inefficient
historical curiousities. What you are refering to is the way things used
to
be before the checks and balances system was dismantled. The portion of
the
Constitution you refer to was amended about 90 years ago. The word state
is
now splled with a small 's'.

Think I'm wrong? HOW then would a state, such as colorado compel the
Federal Government to do anything?

On 26 Nov 2004 16:16:10 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:

Horvath wrote in message . ..
On 25 Nov 2004 14:10:03 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:

BULL****! Ive seen it all from junkies covered with cotton feaver
sores to dead drunks with there faces split in half when they had a
head on wreck with a telephone pole. Once I had the pleasure of
scraping a young girl off a submarine she did a swan dive on from 8
stories up, she was drunk and doing acid. Oh and the guy who choked on
his own vomit while on smack, he drowned.


And you think that stuff should be legal?

Is was not legal(except the drinking) and it all happened. You think
laws are going to stop it?

Why in the hell should a tax payer pay 35,000.00 a year to house some
stupid fool that got caught with a bag of weed?

It keeps that person off the street, and spreading his poison to your
kids.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:47:36 GMT, "Gilligan"
wrote this crap:


Is being addicted to nicotine immoral?

Yup!


Cigarettes, a drug delivery device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.


Tobacco use should be illegal.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:37:29 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?

God created evil, as well as the good.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

do you also have a Bible called the Red Dude?
Scout

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:37:29 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Drugs may have a correlation with immorality, but it's not a causal
relation
(MHO). Some people have weaknesses which are enhanced(?) by altered state
of
consciousness, but most people act immorally (regarding drug use) because
of
the will imposed upon them by others' moral values.
How can one claim to believe in God and at the same time call His
creations
(people/chemicals/plants) evil and wrong?

God created evil, as well as the good.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jesus liked wine.
Scout

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:47:36 GMT, "Gilligan"
wrote this crap:


Is being addicted to nicotine immoral?

Yup!


Cigarettes, a drug delivery device,
kills more than all other drugs (except alcohol) combined.


Tobacco use should be illegal.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:08:57 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Jesus liked wine.

He wasn't addicted.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:08:57 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Jesus liked wine.

He wasn't addicted.

He was brewing it and passing it around..... it's mentioned all over his
book.

CM