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Recobee November 18th 04 09:20 PM

Ah yes, the perfect blue water cruiser!
 
"Cut the Mustard" A blue water cruiser, I think not. A fine little yacht for
the trades, the Caribbean? What sort of fool is this man?

I highly doubt that Neal has been much beyond the safety of the mangroves. Can
you imagine that cork trying to make a passage to Bermuda? Down Route 66?
Never happen. That boat wouldn't last two days in the trades. Just picture
his bimini and Hong Kong sails split and fluttering like prayer clothes in the
breeze. His anchors dislodged and streaming aft. All while Neal is sitting in
the cockpit, outboard in his lap, head over the side, and his toy boat is
sliding sideways down a trade wind sea leaving a chum line of half digested
Spam gurgling in its wake.

Could he go by way of the Bahamas? Perhaps. On a flat-ass calm summer's day,
with plenty of fuel, he might be able to motor that yellow turd over with the
rest of the Buba fleet of bass boats and jet ski's. But down island? The only
way Neal'd make it to chicken harbor would be by airplane! Even if by some
miracle he did make it, I can't imagine that mangrove cruiser ever getting any
farther. He has neither the skills nor the vessel to continue. Either he is
as foolish as he sounds, or he has some kind of death wish. Then again, maybe
he is relying on the adage that God looks after fools and their…….


Capt. Neal® November 18th 04 09:49 PM

Written like a man green with envy.

"Cut the Mustard" is a well-built, medium-heavy construction cruiser.
Last haulout I had the Travelift operator show me the scale.

The readout? 8,500 pounds. This is loaded and in cruising mode with
tanks full and supplies for a couple months. No cork she. She is relatively
narrow (by today's standards at 8.5 feet beam) and she is fast and stable
in a seaway. She sails herself to weather with a bungee on the tiller weather
side without excessive heel. Sweet is the word.

CN


"Recobee" wrote in message ...
"Cut the Mustard" A blue water cruiser, I think not. A fine little yacht for
the trades, the Caribbean? What sort of fool is this man?

I highly doubt that Neal has been much beyond the safety of the mangroves. Can
you imagine that cork trying to make a passage to Bermuda? Down Route 66?
Never happen. That boat wouldn't last two days in the trades. Just picture
his bimini and Hong Kong sails split and fluttering like prayer clothes in the
breeze. His anchors dislodged and streaming aft. All while Neal is sitting in
the cockpit, outboard in his lap, head over the side, and his toy boat is
sliding sideways down a trade wind sea leaving a chum line of half digested
Spam gurgling in its wake.

Could he go by way of the Bahamas? Perhaps. On a flat-ass calm summer's day,
with plenty of fuel, he might be able to motor that yellow turd over with the
rest of the Buba fleet of bass boats and jet ski's. But down island? The only
way Neal'd make it to chicken harbor would be by airplane! Even if by some
miracle he did make it, I can't imagine that mangrove cruiser ever getting any
farther. He has neither the skills nor the vessel to continue. Either he is
as foolish as he sounds, or he has some kind of death wish. Then again, maybe
he is relying on the adage that God looks after fools and their…….



Scott Vernon November 18th 04 10:02 PM


Ozone wrote ...


Written like a man with a true fear of the open ocean!


bob has another sockpuppet? BB will be so jealous.

SV




Recobee November 19th 04 06:21 PM

Neal slurps, and then vomits:

:Written like a man green with envy.

I have no envy for another man's folly. A vessel such as yours is best suited
only for her current use. I have seen enough small cruisers up and down the
island chain to know yours has not been much beyond the safety of Hawk's
Channel. I doubt it's Hong Kong sails or Boot Key helmsman have ever felt the
power of the Christmas winds. And, while she might go to weather in a chop, I
doubt she, or you, would track well down the face of a trade wind swell.

Loaded and in cruising mode? Tanks full? Supplies for a couple of months?
What supplies? How much Spam and tuna fish do you carry for two month's? What
tanks? How much fuel, how much water? My guess is that the only full tank is
the holding tank, and after two months I think "ripe" not "sweet" would be the
operative word!



Bobsprit November 19th 04 06:41 PM

Loaded and in cruising mode? Tanks full? Supplies for a couple of months?
What supplies? How much Spam and tuna fish do you carry for two month's? What
tanks? How much fuel, how much water? My guess is that the only full tank is
the holding tank, and after two months I think "ripe" not "sweet" would be the
operative word!

Crushing, to say the least. I wish this was my sockpuppet!

RB

Capt. Neal® November 19th 04 07:23 PM


"Rectumbee" leaks diarrhea in message ...


Loaded and in cruising mode? Tanks full? Supplies for a couple of months?
What supplies? How much Spam and tuna fish do you carry for two month's? What
tanks? How much fuel, how much water? My guess is that the only full tank is
the holding tank, and after two months I think "ripe" not "sweet" would be the
operative word!


Wrong again, Rectumbee!

I have no holding tank other than the little one that could possibly be called
a holding tank on my Lectrasan system. Like Ganz, you are more fascinated by
and addicted to all things anal than with sailing.

FYI, my water tanks hold fifty gallons. My fuel tanks are portable and carry
ten gallons not including the 3.5 gallon tank for the Honda outboard. I keep
the two portable five-gallon tanks empty except when occasionally motoring
up or down the 'ditch' or when crossing to or from the Bahamas in case the
wind decides to die which it often does in spite of a good forecast. The 3.5
gallon tank is enough when sailing the Bahamas as I rarely even have to use
the motor. Same goes for most of the rest of the Caribbean where winds are
pretty steady other than along the south coast of Cuba. But, other than from
your slow, lip-movement reading of Cruising World Magazine, I'm sure you
would not know about that.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT


I doubt you even sail.



Jonathan Ganz November 19th 04 07:26 PM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Rectumbee" leaks diarrhea in message
...
I have no holding tank other than the little one that could possibly be
called
a holding tank on my Lectrasan system. Like Ganz, you are more fascinated
by
and addicted to all things anal than with sailing.


Yeh, he ****s in a bucket then dumps it into the water. It's great for
dates. That's why he never has a woman on the boat.


I doubt you even sail.


This from a guy who sits on his mooring all year long.



SAIL LOCO November 19th 04 09:32 PM

I have no holding tank other than the little one that could possibly be
called
a holding tank on my Lectrasan system.

Gee, it wasn't long ago this dude was telling the world that a cedar bucket was
the only way to go. Anything else was overkill.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Capt. Neal® November 20th 04 02:42 AM


It pays to have a legal system installed because many places
require legality. Using this legal system, on the other hand,
is optional. I still prefer the bucket.

CN

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
I have no holding tank other than the little one that could possibly be
called
a holding tank on my Lectrasan system.

Gee, it wasn't long ago this dude was telling the world that a cedar bucket was
the only way to go. Anything else was overkill.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"


Jonathan Ganz November 20th 04 07:17 AM

And the cat ****s in your sail locker... got it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It pays to have a legal system installed because many places
require legality. Using this legal system, on the other hand,
is optional. I still prefer the bucket.

CN

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
I have no holding tank other than the little one that could possibly
be
called
a holding tank on my Lectrasan system.

Gee, it wasn't long ago this dude was telling the world that a cedar
bucket was
the only way to go. Anything else was overkill.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




Sail4Mail November 22nd 04 04:57 PM

I am somewhat confused by Neal's last signatu

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT


Was that meant to impress, or to inform us of your stupidity? Signing a post
showing that you have only managed to memorize some small collection of
multiple choice questions and ANSWERS, fill out a bunch of governmental forms
that NOBODY ever CHECKS, take an exam that NOBODY ever FAILS. Then get handed
a paper with the LOWEST possible TONNAGE the USCG has to offer. Heck your
riding the sightseeing fairy around Key West would have gotten you more than 25
tons had you dared report it!

I doubt you understand, or have ever had cause to use any of information you
have so dutifully memorized. But please sir, continue to regale us with your
mythical stories of sailing on the wild blue yonder!

PS Of course, please don't forget to instruct us in the correct way a Gross 25
Ton Mangrove Captain thinks the current book he is reading says it should be
done.

Jonathan Ganz November 22nd 04 05:07 PM

A good summary...

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Sail4Mail" wrote in message
...
I am somewhat confused by Neal's last signatu

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT


Was that meant to impress, or to inform us of your stupidity? Signing a
post
showing that you have only managed to memorize some small collection of
multiple choice questions and ANSWERS, fill out a bunch of governmental
forms
that NOBODY ever CHECKS, take an exam that NOBODY ever FAILS. Then get
handed
a paper with the LOWEST possible TONNAGE the USCG has to offer. Heck your
riding the sightseeing fairy around Key West would have gotten you more
than 25
tons had you dared report it!

I doubt you understand, or have ever had cause to use any of information
you
have so dutifully memorized. But please sir, continue to regale us with
your
mythical stories of sailing on the wild blue yonder!

PS Of course, please don't forget to instruct us in the correct way a
Gross 25
Ton Mangrove Captain thinks the current book he is reading says it should
be
done.




Capt. Neal® November 22nd 04 07:08 PM

Sounds to me that you are somewhat confused by more than
my signature. It appears you are confused by life in general.
(Not to mention, defeated!)

Comments interspersed throughout your post.


"Sail4Mail" wrote in message ...
I am somewhat confused by Neal's last signatu

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT


Was that meant to impress, or to inform us of your stupidity?


A simple statement of the facts. Only insecure wannabes such as
yourself might view it as an attempt to impress.

Signing a post
showing that you have only managed to memorize some small collection of
multiple choice questions and ANSWERS, fill out a bunch of governmental forms
that NOBODY ever CHECKS, take an exam that NOBODY ever FAILS.


Definitely showing your ignorance with the above crock of hock because:

Over 1000 possible questions is not a small collection.

All forms are checked and double checked; any small mistake or
ommision results in papers being returned for correction.

More than half the folks who take the exam fail it the first time.
Many fail it a second time and a third and a fourth. I suspect
you fall in the latter category but please keep trying. You don't
want to be a mate your entire life, do you?

Then get handed
a paper with the LOWEST possible TONNAGE the USCG has to offer. Heck your
riding the sightseeing fairy around Key West would have gotten you more than 25
tons had you dared report it!


The license tonnage is plenty enough to earn cash in these parts and to
do it legally. Most of the charter boats around here are less than 25GT.

I doubt you understand, or have ever had cause to use any of information you
have so dutifully memorized. But please sir, continue to regale us with your
mythical stories of sailing on the wild blue yonder!


I know more from my many years of practical experience than you likely
know from all your years of wishing you could get a Master's license of
even the lowest tonnage. You are correct in one aspect of your reply,
however. At least you called me sir and showed the proper respect for
one who outranks you.

PS Of course, please don't forget to instruct us in the correct way a Gross 25
Ton Mangrove Captain thinks the current book he is reading says it should be
done.


I write the books for people like you to read. So, my dear little friend,
it's time to run along and do a little more wishing, hoping and dreaming
that you will ever be anything other than some silly mate on a head boat
who cleans fish for a dollar tip.

Don't let me keep you, now. It's time for you to scrub the decks.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master 25GT, Near Coastal
Also Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessels, Near Coastal.


Capt. Neal® November 22nd 04 07:37 PM


I figured you'd check out any post from an individual with the
e-mail addy of Sail4Male.

CN


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
A good summary...



Jonathan Ganz November 22nd 04 07:41 PM

Are you turning gay on us now that you haven't gotten any from a woman in 50
years?
Either that or you're going blind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

I figured you'd check out any post from an individual with the
e-mail addy of Sail4Male.

CN


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
A good summary...





Jonathan Ganz November 22nd 04 07:42 PM

Whew... Neal is a bit sensative isn't he...... hahahahahahahaa

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Sounds to me that you are somewhat confused by more than
my signature. It appears you are confused by life in general.
(Not to mention, defeated!)

Comments interspersed throughout your post.


"Sail4Mail" wrote in message
...
I am somewhat confused by Neal's last signatu

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT


Was that meant to impress, or to inform us of your stupidity?


A simple statement of the facts. Only insecure wannabes such as
yourself might view it as an attempt to impress.

Signing a post
showing that you have only managed to memorize some small collection of
multiple choice questions and ANSWERS, fill out a bunch of governmental
forms
that NOBODY ever CHECKS, take an exam that NOBODY ever FAILS.


Definitely showing your ignorance with the above crock of hock because:

Over 1000 possible questions is not a small collection.

All forms are checked and double checked; any small mistake or
ommision results in papers being returned for correction.

More than half the folks who take the exam fail it the first time.
Many fail it a second time and a third and a fourth. I suspect
you fall in the latter category but please keep trying. You don't
want to be a mate your entire life, do you?

Then get handed
a paper with the LOWEST possible TONNAGE the USCG has to offer. Heck
your
riding the sightseeing fairy around Key West would have gotten you more
than 25
tons had you dared report it!


The license tonnage is plenty enough to earn cash in these parts and to
do it legally. Most of the charter boats around here are less than 25GT.

I doubt you understand, or have ever had cause to use any of information
you
have so dutifully memorized. But please sir, continue to regale us with
your
mythical stories of sailing on the wild blue yonder!


I know more from my many years of practical experience than you likely
know from all your years of wishing you could get a Master's license of
even the lowest tonnage. You are correct in one aspect of your reply,
however. At least you called me sir and showed the proper respect for
one who outranks you.

PS Of course, please don't forget to instruct us in the correct way a
Gross 25
Ton Mangrove Captain thinks the current book he is reading says it should
be
done.


I write the books for people like you to read. So, my dear little friend,
it's time to run along and do a little more wishing, hoping and dreaming
that you will ever be anything other than some silly mate on a head boat
who cleans fish for a dollar tip.

Don't let me keep you, now. It's time for you to scrub the decks.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master 25GT, Near Coastal
Also Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessels, Near Coastal.




Nav November 22nd 04 08:34 PM

So what qualifications do you have?

Cheers

Sail4Mail wrote:

I am somewhat confused by Neal's last signatu


Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT



Was that meant to impress, or to inform us of your stupidity? Signing a post
showing that you have only managed to memorize some small collection of
multiple choice questions and ANSWERS, fill out a bunch of governmental forms
that NOBODY ever CHECKS, take an exam that NOBODY ever FAILS. Then get handed
a paper with the LOWEST possible TONNAGE the USCG has to offer. Heck your
riding the sightseeing fairy around Key West would have gotten you more than 25
tons had you dared report it!

I doubt you understand, or have ever had cause to use any of information you
have so dutifully memorized. But please sir, continue to regale us with your
mythical stories of sailing on the wild blue yonder!

PS Of course, please don't forget to instruct us in the correct way a Gross 25
Ton Mangrove Captain thinks the current book he is reading says it should be
done.



Joe November 23rd 04 02:23 PM

obull (Sail4Mail) wrote in message ...
I am somewhat confused by Neal's last signatu

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
USCG Master, Near Coastal 25GT


Was that meant to impress, or to inform us of your stupidity? Signing a post
showing that you have only managed to memorize some small collection of
multiple choice questions and ANSWERS,


Wrong.. It is not all multiple choice. Who told you that? It is
odvious you know nothing about USCG testing.


fill out a bunch of governmental forms
that NOBODY ever CHECKS,


Wrong again.


take an exam that NOBODY ever FAILS.

What an idiot, close to 12% fail the test.

Then get handed
a paper with the LOWEST possible TONNAGE the USCG has to offer. Heck your
riding the sightseeing fairy around Key West would have gotten you more than 25
tons had you dared report it!


Riding on a fairy dont count, even if it is your 25+gt boyfriend.



I doubt you understand, or have ever had cause to use any of information you
have so dutifully memorized. But please sir, continue to regale us with your
mythical stories of sailing on the wild blue yonder!


So sail4males, impress us with your knowledge and skills. What USCG
ticket do you hold?

Joe
USMM Master



PS Of course, please don't forget to instruct us in the correct way a Gross 25
Ton Mangrove Captain thinks the current book he is reading says it should be
done.


Recobee November 25th 04 03:00 PM

Joe, USMM Master bates about the Coast Guard test:

Multiple choice?

Wrong.. It is not all multiple choice. Who told you that? It is
odvious you know nothing about USCG testing.


What, was there an essay question?


About nobody checking the forms people fill out he again bates:

Wrong again.


You may fill out your sea time form and attest to your "days at sea" by simply
stating that you have done so on your own vessel. If you don't own a boat, or
have really never been to sea, you might have a friend who does own a boat sign
the form for you. You might fill out the form stating that you have been out
sailing in international waters rather than sitting at your mooring in the
mangroves, and thus becoming eligible for a "Near Coastal" instead of an
"Inland Waters" ticket. The USCG just takes your word for it. They don't have
the time to check it out, and they have better things to do. In fact I believe
Neal made just that suggestion a few years back in one of his boastings.

As far as everyboady passing the test, he bates some mo

What an idiot, close to 12% fail the test.


The first time perhaps, but just look at the advertisements of the various
schools, all of them guarantee you will pass. Today you don't even have to go
to an exam center, the schools administer the test themselves, and they make
certain that everyone that has paid their fees will eventually pass. How many
times did you take it?

And finally, where you can get sea time from, he cums out with:

Riding on a fairy dont count, even if it is your 25+gt boyfriend


Riding on any vessel counts, even a passenger ship or a ferry, if you can get
the captain to sign your papers. Its all time at sea.

I think the point that was being made is that holding a ticket, particularly a
25 ton ticket is absolutely meaningless, and nothing worth bragging about. It
shows only the ability to memorize, not that you ever had, or ever will have,
any sailing ability.


Capt. Neal® November 25th 04 07:23 PM

Hey, Rectumbee, I'll answer for him because you are
misinformed.


"Recobee" wrote in message ...

What, was there an essay question?


If you would get your head out of your rectum,
Mr. Rectumbee, you would know that there are
charting test questions where one's ability to
plot courses and understand chart navigation
is dependent of one's use of nav instruments
and knowledge of chart symbols, etc.

And, can you tie a bowline knot using multiple
choice?

Can you pass a urine test using multiple choice?

Can you pass a criminal background check using
multiple choice.

I suspect the reason(s) you tried and failed to
get a license of any tonnage is being disqualified
on one or both of the latter two items listed.

What a sad little failure of a man you must
be - one only able to get his rocks off denegrating
the accomplishments of others.

CN


About nobody checking the forms people fill out he again bates:

Wrong again. snipped remainder of illiterate nonsense



Joe November 25th 04 09:38 PM

(Recobee) wrote in message ...
Joe, USMM Master bates about the Coast Guard test:

Multiple choice?

Wrong.. It is not all multiple choice. Who told you that? It is
odvious you know nothing about USCG testing.


What, was there an essay question?


Navigation. CFR, and to answer a celestial question or a plotting
question just slapping your fingers on the desk and chosing the finger
that stings the most will not get it.




About nobody checking the forms people fill out he again bates:

Wrong again.


You may fill out your sea time form and attest to your "days at sea" by simply
stating that you have done so on your own vessel. If you don't own a boat, or
have really never been to sea, you might have a friend who does own a boat sign
the form for you. You might fill out the form stating that you have been out
sailing in international waters rather than sitting at your mooring in the
mangroves, and thus becoming eligible for a "Near Coastal" instead of an
"Inland Waters" ticket. The USCG just takes your word for it. They don't have
the time to check it out, and they have better things to do. In fact I believe
Neal made just that suggestion a few years back in one of his boastings.


You can lie, and some will get away with it, but if you get caught
your commiting a federal offence. Go ahead rebecca. And to sit for a
100 ton you have to have seatime on a 100 ton vessel, same with a 1000
ton. How many vessel owners do you know willing to go to jail to help
a lazy liar get over on the 1000 of Captains that put in the time?
Your pathetic..



As far as everyboady passing the test, he bates some mo

What an idiot, close to 12% fail the test.


The first time perhaps, but just look at the advertisements of the various
schools, all of them guarantee you will pass. Today you don't even have to go
to an exam center, the schools administer the test themselves, and they make
certain that everyone that has paid their fees will eventually pass. How many
times did you take it?


4.... AB, tankerman, hundred ton... and once for my Masters. How many
times have you taken the test lubber?

And finally, where you can get sea time from, he cums out with:

Riding on a fairy dont count, even if it is your 25+gt boyfriend


Riding on any vessel counts, even a passenger ship or a ferry, if you can get
the captain to sign your papers.


Wrong as usual Rebecca, You have to be crew working. No sane master is
going to lie and risk his ticket for a worthless liar.

Its all time at sea.

Liar, You think you can cruise on the Queen Mary and get sea time for
that? Your dumber than dirt....get a clue lubber.



I think the point that was being made is that holding a ticket, particularly a
25 ton ticket is absolutely meaningless, and nothing worth bragging about. It
shows only the ability to memorize, not that you ever had, or ever will have,
any sailing ability.


with a 25gt you can legally take out 6 passangers for hire as a
professional.
Without it you can not. GOT IT? Most likely not.... but who cares your
just a wannabe. Go away little girl.


Joe

otnmbrd November 26th 04 02:39 AM

BG

otn

Michael November 26th 04 03:59 AM

The navigation portion is multiple choice but not mulitiple guess with four
very close answers of which you will get the correct one providing you did
the chart work and formula work properly. But if you get one incorrect it
will lead you down a garden path of all wrong answers for the rest of the
question string. You get the first one wrong, the others will be wrong (may
be done right but based on incorrect information from your mistake on number
one....)

So it really isn't multiple choice. It's one correct and three incorrect
choices.

The Rules of the Road test likewise has one correct and three very close but
incorrect answers. Requires 90% minimum to pass. Again not mulitple choice
but one correct choice only, one....only.

This holds true in the other portions as well. One correct choice and three
wrong choices.

The schools like the USCG allow you to retake the test but it's a different
test with different questions and different chart. The only break I saw was
not having to repay another $140. The advantage to the school came when
they know a USCG test question has a bad correct answer, usually because of
a rule change without a corresponding question change. Without giving it
away they carefully taught that section so you could choose the 'best'
correct answer.

The one area where Neal is incorrect is in the 25 GT limit. At least in the
past this limitation was bumped up rather automatically about 25 tons per
six months of experience. That practice may have changed though.

With the exception of the navigation section the test we took for AB
Unlimited was the exact same test as the one I previously took for 100 ton
including the ColRegs section. Right down to the final dotted 'i'. Nav
tests aren't given to AB applicants.






"Recobee" wrote in message
...
Joe, USMM Master bates about the Coast Guard test:

Multiple choice?

Wrong.. It is not all multiple choice. Who told you that? It is
odvious you know nothing about USCG testing.


What, was there an essay question?


About nobody checking the forms people fill out he again bates:

Wrong again.


You may fill out your sea time form and attest to your "days at sea" by

simply
stating that you have done so on your own vessel. If you don't own a

boat, or
have really never been to sea, you might have a friend who does own a boat

sign
the form for you. You might fill out the form stating that you have been

out
sailing in international waters rather than sitting at your mooring in the
mangroves, and thus becoming eligible for a "Near Coastal" instead of an
"Inland Waters" ticket. The USCG just takes your word for it. They don't

have
the time to check it out, and they have better things to do. In fact I

believe
Neal made just that suggestion a few years back in one of his boastings.

As far as everyboady passing the test, he bates some mo

What an idiot, close to 12% fail the test.


The first time perhaps, but just look at the advertisements of the various
schools, all of them guarantee you will pass. Today you don't even have

to go
to an exam center, the schools administer the test themselves, and they

make
certain that everyone that has paid their fees will eventually pass. How

many
times did you take it?

And finally, where you can get sea time from, he cums out with:

Riding on a fairy dont count, even if it is your 25+gt boyfriend


Riding on any vessel counts, even a passenger ship or a ferry, if you can

get
the captain to sign your papers. Its all time at sea.

I think the point that was being made is that holding a ticket,

particularly a
25 ton ticket is absolutely meaningless, and nothing worth bragging about.

It
shows only the ability to memorize, not that you ever had, or ever will

have,
any sailing ability.





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