Stepping stones
 

I'm thinking of a 48 footer. All I have to do is cut my boat in half
and weld in 6 foot. I need a navigation station in the main salon as
well as the aft cabain and the extra 6 foot would be perfect. A wrap
around settee to stbd with palsma screen on the bulkhead and a first
class hand crafted Phillipino Mahogany nav station to port and another
600 gallons of tankage, and the coolest sky light on any vessel. I
could do it in a week with the right tools and help, luckly we have
some of the best steel yards and rolling machines in the world in
Galveston.

It would be worth the effort since RedCloud is in such pristine
condition.

Boobsie would **** man-o-wars that I can do this for just a few grand
and have a customized vessel that will out preform most production
boats of the same size.

I will have room between my main and mizzen to fly one of those V
shaped sails(help me here with the name Ole Thom).

Anyone have a copy of the latest version of Autocad?

Joe

Those who are sailors sail.

Those who are pretend sailors spend most of their time
modifying their boats.

Those with good boats sail them and have no desire to
modify them.

CN

"Joe" wrote in message om...
I'm thinking of a 48 footer. All I have to do is cut my boat in half
and weld in 6 foot. I need a navigation station in the main salon as
well as the aft cabain and the extra 6 foot would be perfect. A wrap
around settee to stbd with palsma screen on the bulkhead and a first
class hand crafted Phillipino Mahogany nav station to port and another
600 gallons of tankage, and the coolest sky light on any vessel. I
could do it in a week with the right tools and help, luckly we have
some of the best steel yards and rolling machines in the world in
Galveston.

It would be worth the effort since RedCloud is in such pristine
condition.

Boobsie would **** man-o-wars that I can do this for just a few grand
and have a customized vessel that will out preform most production
boats of the same size.

I will have room between my main and mizzen to fly one of those V
shaped sails(help me here with the name Ole Thom).

Anyone have a copy of the latest version of Autocad?

Joe

There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.

For example, all the mods I do are done on the water. This summer
I was anchored out for a month on the Cay Sal Bank where there is
nothing but desert isles. I had in stock all the supplies I needed to
sand and paint and stripe my fine blue water cruiser as well as
all the food, water and rum on hand needed to keep me happy
while doing the work in a pristine environment.

This is what a true cruiser does. Only a ****** even talks about
cutting his boat in half and adding more length there.

CN

wrote in message ...
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:43:29 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote:

Those who are sailors sail.

Those who are pretend sailors spend most of their time
modifying their boats.

Those with good boats sail them and have no desire to
modify them.

CN


The REAL Neal never tired of describing all the MAJOR modifications he
had made to his boat to create what he felt was a fabulous bluewater
cruiser. He posted pictures. Lots of them. He brags on his website
about modifying his boat. You have just called Neal a pretend sailor.

B - U - S - T - E - D


BB


"Joe" wrote in message om...
I'm thinking of a 48 footer. All I have to do is cut my boat in half
and weld in 6 foot. I need a navigation station in the main salon as
well as the aft cabain and the extra 6 foot would be perfect. A wrap
around settee to stbd with palsma screen on the bulkhead and a first
class hand crafted Phillipino Mahogany nav station to port and another
600 gallons of tankage, and the coolest sky light on any vessel. I
could do it in a week with the right tools and help, luckly we have
some of the best steel yards and rolling machines in the world in
Galveston.

It would be worth the effort since RedCloud is in such pristine
condition.

Boobsie would **** man-o-wars that I can do this for just a few grand
and have a customized vessel that will out preform most production
boats of the same size.

I will have room between my main and mizzen to fly one of those V
shaped sails(help me here with the name Ole Thom).

Anyone have a copy of the latest version of Autocad?

Joe

Joe,

If you fly it off the Mizen Mast it would be a "Mizen Staysail"

If you carry a Fore Staysail (Which you may need for balance) It could
also be called, "Aft Staysail"

Question; What would you do to the Keel?

Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...

Question; What would you do to the Keel?

Ole Thom


Keep scraping the rust off then priming and painting it
over and over again?

CN

There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


Another lie as Neal had heavily modified and improved his boat.

RB

Another lie as Neal had heavily modified and improved his boat.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.


For example, all the mods I do are done on the water.


did you modify your keel in the water? Are you sure your the real Neal?



This summer
I was anchored out for a month on the Cay Sal Bank where there is
nothing but desert isles. I had in stock all the supplies I needed to
sand and paint and stripe my fine blue water cruiser as well as
all the food, water and rum on hand needed to keep me happy
while doing the work in a pristine environment.

This is what a true cruiser does. Only a ****** even talks about
cutting his boat in half and adding more length there.

I guess Todd shipyard is full of ******s

joe

CN

wrote in message ...
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:43:29 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote:

Those who are sailors sail.

Those who are pretend sailors spend most of their time
modifying their boats.

Those with good boats sail them and have no desire to
modify them.

CN


The REAL Neal never tired of describing all the MAJOR modifications he
had made to his boat to create what he felt was a fabulous bluewater
cruiser. He posted pictures. Lots of them. He brags on his website
about modifying his boat. You have just called Neal a pretend sailor.

B - U - S - T - E - D


BB


"Joe" wrote in message om...
I'm thinking of a 48 footer. All I have to do is cut my boat in half
and weld in 6 foot. I need a navigation station in the main salon as
well as the aft cabain and the extra 6 foot would be perfect. A wrap
around settee to stbd with palsma screen on the bulkhead and a first
class hand crafted Phillipino Mahogany nav station to port and another
600 gallons of tankage, and the coolest sky light on any vessel. I
could do it in a week with the right tools and help, luckly we have
some of the best steel yards and rolling machines in the world in
Galveston.

It would be worth the effort since RedCloud is in such pristine
condition.

Boobsie would **** man-o-wars that I can do this for just a few grand
and have a customized vessel that will out preform most production
boats of the same size.

I will have room between my main and mizzen to fly one of those V
shaped sails(help me here with the name Ole Thom).

Anyone have a copy of the latest version of Autocad?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message m...
Capt. Neal® wrote in message ...


did you modify your keel in the water? Are you sure your the real Neal?


Duh! I think you are confused. It's Ole Thom who did the keel mod. I only
faired mine while hauled out for a bottom job. What brand of rum are
you imbibing?

CN

In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

If you're serious get a copy of Tom Colvin's book on steel
boatbuilding; there's some info in there about doing this and the
things to watch for. Or email me and I'll look it up in my copy. One of
my ships sails this evening so I should have a bit of free time in the
next week or 2.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote in message ...
In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.
Yachties want bow thrusters and chrome anchors.

I do have access to some of the largest and finest english wheels in
the world.
And I have a well studied eye of proper lines camber and curves.

Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts. Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

Thanks have a safe trip

Joe





If you're serious get a copy of Tom Colvin's book on steel
boatbuilding; there's some info in there about doing this and the
things to watch for. Or email me and I'll look it up in my copy. One of
my ships sails this evening so I should have a bit of free time in the
next week or 2.

PDW

Be careful Nutsy,

The "DUH" in the reply is almost a signature.

The moving the whole keel forward is more than a fairing job!

OT

Joe wrote:
I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

uh huh.


Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

If you think Bruce Roberts trumps Tom Colvin, then you're clueless.


... Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

You can email or snail mail Halsey Herreshoff but he's probably not
interested even if youo could afford him. You'd need to hold a seance to
get in touch with Nat or L. Francis; maybe the new fake Crapton is in
touch with the spirit world.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Where did you get the idea that I moved my keel forward?

What kind of rum are you drinking you old fart?

CN


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Be careful Nutsy,

The "DUH" in the reply is almost a signature.

The moving the whole keel forward is more than a fairing job!

OT

What kind of rum are you drinking you old fart?

CN

Thom's posts have been more and more disjointed lately. Some have been
positively delusional.

Thom has either "changed" or it's a different Thom. His posts are very odd as
of late.

RB

Nutsy,

I guess its time to impart some knowledge to you.

In the early days of MFG Hulls, the keels were attached as they did to
the wooden hulls. They drilled holes in the fibre glass and bolted on
the keels. What happened as they aged the washers and nuts worked loose,
due to the lack of elasticity of the fibre glass. The obvious repair was
to tighten the nuts. This worked for a while but the fibre glass
continued to compress and leak, growing thinner. To get a dry bilge, new
holes where needed. Simple and least expense. Drop the keel, filling the
old holes then drill new holes in the area of solid fibre glass. Better
to move the keel forward an get weather helm than get lee helm. If the
keel didn't cause to much weather helm, the compensation was made in the
standing rigging.

This was a common problem in the early day of MFD. Particularly in the
boats built to compete in the lower price range. Later models reinforced
this area or/and buried the keel bolts and corrected the problem.

Michael Twin keeler suffered this problem. It is why he brought a new
boat. It didn't mean it wasn't a good boat. I believe it had more than
one trip around the world. It was just a point of wear that they over
looked. There are still plenty of leakers sailing out there yet.

Ole Thom

Yeah sure Oz,

Fibre Glass is solid: Especially when it was shot from the "Chopper
Guns". That is why there are never Blisters in the Hull. That is why
prenetration has never been a problem (Uniflite Valiants)

I know Neal moved his keel becaused , "He said he did." He posted it
right here on ASA when he posted the picture of his boat out of water.

That is a pretty good indication that the present CN is a put on!

BUT you're right Oz they don't bury keel bolt:^) Wish I could show you
the bilge on "Pneuma" I lift the Bilge board and not a keel bolt nut in
sight. It is flat!!

Ole Thom

Thom,

Your memory is defective. Can you not remember me ever saying my
keel is superior to most bolt ons because it fits into a cassette in
the hull.

The cassette is the female counterpart of the big, square male
upper boss on the keel. The keel cannot be moved forwards
or backwards without re-doing the cassette in the hull. As
a matter of fact the Coronado manual claims the keel bolts
are not even needed once the keel is drawn up into the
cassette and the epoxy used to bed it has set up. I don't
wish to stake my life on that claim thus I added extra keel
bolts (one inch diameter) to assist the rather wimpy originals
which were one half inch in diameter and of mild steel which
is very ravaged by rust.

Perhaps you mistook my saying that I installed extra keel bolts
by drilling through the hull in the bilge where the upper side
of the cassette is evident, tapping the cast iron keel, and
installing the stainless steel bolts bedding them in with
5200. This most certainly does not constitute moving the
keel. This did not even necessitate hauling as I did it
in the water. There were no leaks.

Besides why would I ruin the helm on my boat by
moving the keel and changing the relationship between the
center of lateral resistance and the center of lateral effort?

Get with it you old, alcoholic fart.

I'll drink to that!
CN


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Yeah sure Oz,

Fibre Glass is solid: Especially when it was shot from the "Chopper
Guns". That is why there are never Blisters in the Hull. That is why
prenetration has never been a problem (Uniflite Valiants)

I know Neal moved his keel becaused , "He said he did." He posted it
right here on ASA when he posted the picture of his boat out of water.

That is a pretty good indication that the present CN is a put on!

BUT you're right Oz they don't bury keel bolt:^) Wish I could show you
the bilge on "Pneuma" I lift the Bilge board and not a keel bolt nut in
sight. It is flat!!

Ole Thom

In article , Joe
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote in message
...
In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

What's that got to do with the hull shape? Is the X-section of the hull
where you're planning on cutting it U or V shaped? Is the keel
horizontal to the WL or is there any drag? Etc etc.

Yachties want bow thrusters and chrome anchors.

I do have access to some of the largest and finest english wheels in
the world.
And I have a well studied eye of proper lines camber and curves.

Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. Tom is a naval architect, ran his own boat
building yard for years, has over 300 designs to his credit and at
close to 80, he's *still* building boats. He specialises in metal
boats, primarily steel, and has designed, built & sailed his own
designs for longer than you've been alive, probably. His books are the
best reference works on steel boatbuilding for craft less than 80' ever
written.

Do a bit of research, Joe. You won't look quite so stupid. I was going
to say ignorant but ignorance is curable with effort and you're
apparently not going to make any.

Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

Bruce Roberts is a rank amateur.

Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.

Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.

PDW

"Thom Stewart" wrote in

That is why
prenetration has never been a problem (Uniflite Valiants)


Sometimes when I drink too much I have that problem .

Scotty

Peter Wiley wrote

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.


Well geee Peter. Having you on a hook is just plain dull.

Of course it was a trool! Everone bit but the boobfish I was fishin
for.

I found the perfect boat to start with and do not need "Stepping
Stones".

You think Im really going to section my fine boat? I could but the
truth is RedCloud is perfect how she is. She is large enough to be
roomy for 2 and I can single handle her



Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.


What do you sail on? Where do you go? You licenced? Union?


Joe


PDW

DSK wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:
I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

uh huh.


Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

If you think Bruce Roberts trumps Tom Colvin, then you're clueless.

I've never cared for Colvins layout or his hulls. All look to 70's to
to me.
Not one of his hulls has the grace of RedCloud. I think RedCloud was
modeled after a 1800's clipper hull.

Bruce Roberts has had his problems as well, but I do like his
trawlers.



... Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

You can email or snail mail Halsey Herreshoff but he's probably not
interested even if youo could afford him. You'd need to hold a seance to
get in touch with Nat or L. Francis; maybe the new fake Crapton is in
touch with the spirit world.

Could be, again I think RedCloud has the finest lines of any steel
hull Ive ever seen. But I have not been able to find out who buildt
her.

I posted several time on many British English sites because I found
some gear marked C. Warden Lowenstolt England but no one recalls
seeing her.

Perhaps Halsey's dad did indeed design her. I will send him a picture
and information. Do you have his e-mail address by chance?

Thanks Doug


Joe



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article , Joe
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.


Well geee Peter. Having you on a hook is just plain dull.

Of course it was a trool! Everone bit but the boobfish I was fishin
for.

I found the perfect boat to start with and do not need "Stepping
Stones".

You think Im really going to section my fine boat? I could but the
truth is RedCloud is perfect how she is. She is large enough to be
roomy for 2 and I can single handle her

Nah, I didn't think you were gonna do it. Has been done tho.



Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.


What do you sail on? Where do you go? You licenced? Union?

For work, mostly a 6500 tonne class 1 icebreaker equipped for
scientific research these days. Mainly out of Hobart down to the
Antarctic continent, over to Heard Island, etc etc. In the past, a
large variety of fishing trawlers, oceanographic research vessels and
the like. Been a lotta places but all in the Southern Hemisphere so
far. I hold a couple licences for workboats but not blue water big
ships, these days I run the computer networks, datalogging systems,
software, scientific sampling equipment etc etc. I'm running a marine
engineering R&D group.

Occasionally I get to drive the icebreaker when we're actually breaking
ice since my guys & I have been sailing with the crew for so long that
they treat us as part of them. 4th Mate :-) Powerboating writ large,
conning a big ship down ice leads and doing bank shots off the sides to
go round a corner tighter than the ships turning radius. An experience
few people will ever have.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote in message

Occasionally I get to drive the icebreaker when we're actually breaking
ice since my guys & I have been sailing with the crew for so long that
they treat us as part of them. 4th Mate :-) Powerboating writ large,
conning a big ship down ice leads and doing bank shots off the sides to
go round a corner tighter than the ships turning radius. An experience
few people will ever have.

Sounds like a blast. Id love to take a 6,900 ton icebreaker and crush
every powerboat in this marina. But as you say... only the very lucky
get a shot at so much fun.

Joe



PDW