Duncan Heenan wrote:


If you're going long distance cruising single handed save some money to
get a seriously strong wind operated self steering (don't rely on electric
ones for that sort of use) - preferably with a separate mini-rudder, and a
good high output wind generator and some solar panels too. And don't
forget spares & manuals for them. They'll be working all the time in all
conditions and will allow you not to, which is essential, because no-one
can keep going for ever.

I fitted a Monitor to J (a Nicholson 32) about 10 years ago amd I would not
be without it. It has steered her on all points of sailing up to gale
conditions far better than a electrical unit could (perhaps, except for the
most expensive ones), silently and without amps.

I very seldom don't use it when sailing, except when I want a bit of fun
steering.

Must have done about 10,000 miles using it and it has never needed any
attention.

"sportsfan" wrote in message
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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
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had a client with a morris 45 (?)
believe he has done the newport-bermuda several times
a very nice boat.
gf

ps: keep up the good work (need any help up there in maine?)

The 45 is traditionally a very light, fast design. All lightweight
materials. I know the boats, not the customers. Remember the name of the
boat?
Actually we could use some help. We've had great response to the new 36'
daysailor, a Sparkmans and Stevens design. Started the line last winter,
we've two in the water and another half dozen already sold. Also underway
are a 45, a 48, and just started a 42. Here's the website,
http://www.morrisyachts.com/
We've picked up a few craftsmen from Hinckley's. They're across the
street
and the new owners have dropped the quality quite a bit to make more
money?
Real craftmen have pride. Come on up, it's beautiful country.

Me, I have 1977 North American 23' ... not a Morris but it gets me on the
water.
My best,
-Kevin-





............. Also underway are a 45, a 48, and just started a 42.

any of these s&s designs ? - they have produced lots of quality blue water
stuff over the years.
there are a couple of 39's for sale around i noticed - not bad

i looked at a miller 40 designed by bob miller / aka ben lexcen - not bad
either - maybe a little tender.
brewer 43 - 2 cabin, 2 heads, lots of gear - not bad

this would be ok -

yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=quick&boat_id=1279924 &units=Feet&currency=AUD&access=Public&listing_id= 74463&url=

those morris are nice

david

"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message
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Have a look at one of my favorites -- the Kelly-Peterson 44:


i would go to sea in one of those for sure - none in australia though mate
and rarely come up

..yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=quick&boat_id=1119587 &units=Feet&currency=AUD&access=Public&listing_id= 1707&url=


If you're OK with a small boat, try a Bristol Channel Cutter:

i have set my minimum length at 38 feet - it is just more comfortable both
solo and with guests


Whatever your budget is, don't forget to add *a lot* over the cost of the
boat
for fitting out, tweaking, and provisioning.

yeh it can be expensive - definately pays to shop around for the best fitted
boat
i use to ride motorcycles and the manufactures treat their customers in a
similar way - they think you have lots of $$$$'s


Getting back to your original question, there's no "best" construction.
There
are good and bad boats made from every material and technique. Go with a
proven
design and make. Dealing with a known quantity is safer, easier, cheaper
to get
stuff for, and you'll have better resale value when you're done. In that
sense
a Beneteau might not be a bad choice. The Oceanis models seem to be a bit
heavier, more displacement for all your stuff and tankage.

Finally, if you want a fixer-upper, I bet there are plenty in Florida
these days!


not for blue water stuff - over and out

i could do something with this though - young 43

yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=quick&boat_id=1279924 &units=Feet&currency=AUD&access=Public&listing_id= 74463&url=

thanks for the info

david

yep they are.
something to keep the future dream intact.
gf.

"david" wrote in message
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those morris are nice

david

david wrote:

"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message
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Have a look at one of my favorites -- the Kelly-Peterson 44:


i would go to sea in one of those for sure - none in australia though
mate and rarely come up


..yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=quick&boat_id=1119587 &
units=Feet&currency=AUD&access=Public&listing_id=1 707&url=

That looks like a pretty typical, at a typical price. I do see decent-looking
ones *a lot* cheaper though -- $65-70k US -- which leaves a lot of change for
travel and outfitting.

If you're OK with a small boat, try a Bristol Channel Cutter:

i have set my minimum length at 38 feet - it is just more comfortable
both solo and with guests

Not a bad idea. The BCC would be fine solo, but definately only for very
friendly guests. Two full staterooms, preferably at opposite ends of the boat,
is of course ideal.

i could do something with this though - young 43


yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=quick&boat_id=1279924 &u
nits=Feet&currency=AUD&access=Public&listing_id=74 463&url=

That looks really nice -- at least as nice as the Peterson.

Did I mention swim platforms? Once you've lived with one, it's hard to imagine
being without. Sure makes messing around with dinghies a lot easier. It's the
one big thing the Peterson lacks, IMO.

Matt O.

"david" wrote in message
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............. Also underway are a 45, a 48, and just started a 42.

any of these s&s designs ? - they have produced lots of quality blue water
stuff over the years.
there are a couple of 39's for sale around i noticed - not bad

The only S&S design we're building is the new 36. It's getting such a good
reception that Morris is considering developing something a little larger
with S&S along the same lines as the 36. The 36 has no forward cabin, just
space utilized for storage. It could get a v berth but it would be small.
The main cabin is nice.
A larger design would have the forward cabin. The smallest Morris we build
is a 34, a real sweet boat with the forward and main cabins but nothing aft.


those morris are nice

david

And great fun to build. If you ever get to Maine, stop by and say hi.
-Kevin-

i'll take you up on that offer
next summer?

gf.

"sportsfan" wrote in message
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And great fun to build. If you ever get to Maine, stop by and say hi.
-Kevin-

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
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i'll take you up on that offer
next summer?

gf.
Great!
-K-

However, I'm more in the "speed is safety" school -- I'd hate to be slopping
around in the Gulf Stream in a 5 knot boat. So within the realm of proven
seaworthy designs, I'd go as big as budget allows. I think the budget
mentioned
allows a pretty nice 35-40'+. But maybe that's my lack of real bluewater
experience showing. :-)

Matt O.

Fair enough, Matt, but consider:

If you're sailing a displacement boat, as most people would recommend for
blue water cruising, your 40-footer might have a waterline length of 30'; my
Giles Virtie will have a waterline length of about 19'. Roughly, hull speed
equals 1.3 times the the square root of waterline length of the displacement
vessel, so my hull speed is 5.7 knots, whereas yours is 7.1. Is that extra
1.4 knots really going to add all that much to your safety?

Of course you could go with a catamaran, but I've never been comfortable
offshore in a boat that is as stable upside-down as right-side up:-)

Jim

On Friday 22 October 2004 1:58 am in uk.rec.sailing jspeer wrote:


Of course you could go with a catamaran, but I've never been comfortable
offshore in a boat that is as stable upside-down as right-side up:-)


Oh dear - that old chestnut again.

Cruising cats do not get blown down.
Racing multihulls use the inherent stability of multihulls
to crowd on more sail, so they can have problems, but
cruising cats are more sensibly designed.

Several Prouts and several Wharrams have circumnavigated.

James Wharram has written an excellent paper on this, you
need to keep the centre of effort low and use sensible
amounts of sail. He also advocates sails with calibrated
strenth which will shred before tipping the boat in the
case of the sudden storm that tends to blow up out of
nowhere in the southern ocean while people are asleep B-).

Taking something like a Hobie offshore is, of course, a
rather bad idea - but you knew that already.


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