"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Read Bill's book. He deals with it fairly openly, including his
conversation
with
Hillary and daughter.

No doubt the whitewashed version for the unwashed masses. I'd love to know
what *really* was said.

Max

You haven't read the book, but you're willing to assume that he must have
lied. Seems to me that's pretty typical for someone with a closed mind.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Read Bill's book. He deals with it fairly openly, including his
conversation
with
Hillary and daughter.

No doubt the whitewashed version for the unwashed masses. I'd love to
know
what *really* was said.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You haven't read the book, but you're willing to assume that he must have
lied. Seems to me that's pretty typical for someone with a closed mind.

Hardly. It is probably pretty typical, however, of someone who knows
Clinton. The old joke about knowing when Clinton is lying (when his lips
are moving) probably has more veracity than humor. He did very little
during his eight years to bolster his credibility. I won't buy or read his
book. Fiction generally should be fun to read, not a chore.

Max

You won't because your mind is closed. I suggest you vote for Bush.
If and when he's elected and all of a sudden you don't have your civil
liberties, don't blame anyone but yourself.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You haven't read the book, but you're willing to assume that he must have
lied. Seems to me that's pretty typical for someone with a closed mind.

Hardly. It is probably pretty typical, however, of someone who knows
Clinton. The old joke about knowing when Clinton is lying (when his lips
are moving) probably has more veracity than humor. He did very little
during his eight years to bolster his credibility. I won't buy or read
his
book. Fiction generally should be fun to read, not a chore.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You won't because your mind is closed.

My mind is closed because I believe Clinton to be a redundant liar? Good
God, Jon, it's not even up for debate. He demonstrated that fact repeatedly
during his eight years in office.

I suggest you vote for Bush.

Thank you, I probably will, having no other reasonable alternative.

If and when he's elected and all of a sudden you don't have your civil
liberties, don't blame anyone but yourself.

Gore told me my mother would be thrown out of the nursing home and into the
street if Bush were elected. And he also said my kids would starve at
school. Is this more of the same scary rhetoric? If it's all the same to
you, I suspect my civil liberties will be intact despite whomever wins the
election.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

You haven't read the book, but you're willing to assume that he must
have
lied. Seems to me that's pretty typical for someone with a closed mind.

Hardly. It is probably pretty typical, however, of someone who knows
Clinton. The old joke about knowing when Clinton is lying (when his
lips
are moving) probably has more veracity than humor. He did very little
during his eight years to bolster his credibility. I won't buy or read
his
book. Fiction generally should be fun to read, not a chore.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Clinton lied about a blow job, which in your little mind equates to
lying about everything for 8 years. That must have been one heck of a
blow job or you have limited experience.

Hell, I wasn't even including that one. Too obvious.


Gore told me my mother would be thrown out of the nursing home and into
the
street if Bush were elected. And he also said my kids would starve at
school. Is this more of the same scary rhetoric? If it's all the same
to
you, I suspect my civil liberties will be intact despite whomever wins
the
election.


Gore never said that and you know it.

That was indeed the spin coming from the Gore camp during his bid for the
presidency. Bush would trash Social Security, Medicare, and every other
entitlement program. Frankly I wish we'd never seen such entitlements, but
that's just me. Bush, OTOH, hasn't hurt any of the above.

Bush told us, however, that he
would be a compassionate conservative. He isn't.

Sorry, but changing the subject from Kerry to Bush doesn't make your point.
I'll ask again--is Kerry simply using scare tactics to pull his campaign out
of the toilet? If so, it likely won't help.

Max

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Clinton lied about a blow job, which in your little mind equates to
lying about everything for 8 years. That must have been one heck of a
blow job or you have limited experience.

Hell, I wasn't even including that one. Too obvious.

The only one that is important for right-wing, sexually repressed
assholes such as Hyde and Bar.

Gore never said that and you know it.

That was indeed the spin coming from the Gore camp during his bid for the
presidency. Bush would trash Social Security, Medicare, and every other
entitlement program. Frankly I wish we'd never seen such entitlements, but
that's just me. Bush, OTOH, hasn't hurt any of the above.

No, Gore never said that. It's a right wing lie. Nothing unusual
there.

Bush told us, however, that he
would be a compassionate conservative. He isn't.

Sorry, but changing the subject from Kerry to Bush doesn't make your point.
I'll ask again--is Kerry simply using scare tactics to pull his campaign out
of the toilet? If so, it likely won't help.

From Kerry??? Bush now is claiming that Kerry is talking about
fear-based politics. Bush has been fear-based since the
beginning. Bush is flip-flopping like a beached salmon.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

From Kerry??? Bush now is claiming that Kerry is talking about
fear-based politics. Bush has been fear-based since the
beginning. Bush is flip-flopping like a beached salmon.

LOL. Kerry is claiming that Bush will re-institute the draft, which Bush
has flatly denied. He's claiming that Bush is going to destroy Social
Security with his "January Surprise" ( a direct quote from Kerry,
incidentally). Kerry is claiming that there will be a disaster this year
due to Bush's failure to secure enough flu vaccine. All bull****, of
course, but out of the horse's mouth. The democrats are falling back on
scare tactics, primarily because they have nothing else to stand upon.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote

.... It's time that Americans can manage their own funds for retirement.
It's not a matter of right and wrong, it's a matter of arithmetic. I pay
both side of SS because I'm self-employed. If I could have self-invested
even one-half of the money I've ****ed into SS, I'd have been able to
retire
five years ago.

I would have agreed four years ago when the Dow was pushing 15K and we were
planning to use a growing surplus to pay down the debt. The value of my
private investments were growing so fast I expected to have retired by now.
It never occurred to me that Republicans - and I'd voted GOP all my life -
could bungle BOTH the economy and foreign relations so badly. Now, with the
Dow under 10, the surplus gone and deficite skyrocketing, our country in
another Vietnam quagmire and the world facing a war of terrorism ....

"Maxprop" wrote
.... It's time that Americans can manage their own funds for retirement.

Huh?

Is somebody preventing you from saving your own money and investing it
as you see fit?

It's not a matter of right and wrong, it's a matter of arithmetic. I pay
both side of SS because I'm self-employed. If I could have self-invested
even one-half of the money I've ****ed into SS, I'd have been able to
retire five years ago.

Well, there's where you make your mistake. You haven't "****ed" any
money into Social Security and it's not an investment plan. Your SS
payments have already been handed out to beneficiaries.



Vito wrote:
I would have agreed four years ago when the Dow was pushing 15K and we were
planning to use a growing surplus to pay down the debt. The value of my
private investments were growing so fast I expected to have retired by now.

Yep... and that's when it would have been most disastrous to take
everything out of Social Security and put into private investment trusts.

Let's see now, take a few tens of billions and hand it over to
investment managers carefully selected by Bush & Cheney, at a time when
the stock market has ballooned tremendously and anybody with half a lick
of sense can see it's headed for a big fall. The question is when...
then comes not only the crash but the discovery that the selected
investment trust managers have pulled a Kenny-boy Lay type
kleptocorporate maneuver.

It never occurred to me that Republicans - and I'd voted GOP all my life -
could bungle BOTH the economy and foreign relations so badly.

You don't remember Nixon, do you?

... Now, with the
Dow under 10, the surplus gone and deficite skyrocketing, our country in
another Vietnam quagmire and the world facing a war of terrorism ....

Yep the house is on fire and the kids are still sitting there playing
with matches.

DSK