bummer for Bush
 

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"If there's no wind, row."

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
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The fact that gov't is eagerly stripping away rights faster than the
Supreme Court can review them is a bummer for all Americans. And no, it
doesn't make me feel safer... has Mr. Ashcroft prosecuted *1* actual
terrorist yet under the Patriot Act??

DSK

Of course not, but they've locked up hundreds of "potential terrorists"
we'll never hear from again.

Remember what happened to Japanese-Americans in WW2? American Indians?
Don't forget the Zoot Suit Riots in 1943.

Gilligan

"Those who trade their liberty for safety will have neither".



"DSK" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...hts_patriot_dc


The fact that gov't is eagerly stripping away rights faster than the
Supreme Court can review them is a bummer for all Americans. And no, it
doesn't make me feel safer... has Mr. Ashcroft prosecuted *1* actual
terrorist yet under the Patriot Act??

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...hts_patriot_dc


The fact that gov't is eagerly stripping away rights faster than the
Supreme Court can review them is a bummer for all Americans. And no, it
doesn't make me feel safer... has Mr. Ashcroft prosecuted *1* actual
terrorist yet under the Patriot Act??

DSK


They've prosecuted a few folks in these parts, convictions ended up being
overturned due to prosecutorial misconduct, withholding of exculpatory
evidence.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/19948
Turns out he hasn't nailed even one, more troubling is the fact that the
ACLU had to contest these laws in secret. If they hadn't been overturned,
you might not have ever heard about it.
John Cairns

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DSK wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...hts_patriot_dc


The fact that gov't is eagerly stripping away rights faster than the
Supreme Court can review them is a bummer for all Americans. And no, it
doesn't make me feel safer... has Mr. Ashcroft prosecuted *1* actual
terrorist yet under the Patriot Act??

I think they've thrown them all out of court or opened up some major
avenues of defense.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Remember what happened to Japanese-Americans in WW2? American Indians?
Don't forget the Zoot Suit Riots in 1943.


Newsflash for Gilligan!!!!!
It's 2004.

RB

Gilligan wrote:
Of course not, but they've locked up hundreds of "potential terrorists"
we'll never hear from again.

And we're safe from having to listen to Cat Stevens...
;)



Remember what happened to Japanese-Americans in WW2?

Oh, yes.

... American Indians?

Oh yes.

Don't forget the Zoot Suit Riots in 1943.

"Kid, you've got a serious problem... with your wardrobe..." (Dan
Akroyd, 1941)

BTW have you listened to Big Bad Voodoo Daddy?


Gilligan

"Those who trade their liberty for safety will have neither".

How soon we forget.

Anyway, the issue with the Nisei (Japanese-Americans) was certainyl
complex, it was not a straighforward case of racism. There were fairly
credible threats of sabotage and no discernable way of figuring out who
was loyal; there were some 'hate crimes' against them too (although I
admit locking them up "for their own safety" is a really bad call). In
short there was some justification for locking up the Nisei but it
certainly could have been handled with more regard for them, and
reparations made *much* sooner.

And the Indians? Let's leave that for another day. Sometimes the U.S.
has done some putrid things... on the whole, it's still better than most
countries I've heard much about.

Regards
Doug King

Robert, I'm only warming up.

Gilligan

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Remember what happened to Japanese-Americans in WW2? American Indians?
Don't forget the Zoot Suit Riots in 1943.


Newsflash for Gilligan!!!!!
It's 2004.

RB

It's worse than we could ever imagine:

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...goldwater.html


Gilligan


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:
Of course not, but they've locked up hundreds of "potential terrorists"
we'll never hear from again.

And we're safe from having to listen to Cat Stevens...
;)



Remember what happened to Japanese-Americans in WW2?

Oh, yes.

... American Indians?

Oh yes.

Don't forget the Zoot Suit Riots in 1943.

"Kid, you've got a serious problem... with your wardrobe..." (Dan
Akroyd, 1941)

BTW have you listened to Big Bad Voodoo Daddy?


Gilligan

"Those who trade their liberty for safety will have neither".

How soon we forget.

Anyway, the issue with the Nisei (Japanese-Americans) was certainyl
complex, it was not a straighforward case of racism. There were fairly
credible threats of sabotage and no discernable way of figuring out who
was loyal; there were some 'hate crimes' against them too (although I
admit locking them up "for their own safety" is a really bad call). In
short there was some justification for locking up the Nisei but it
certainly could have been handled with more regard for them, and
reparations made *much* sooner.

And the Indians? Let's leave that for another day. Sometimes the U.S.
has done some putrid things... on the whole, it's still better than most
countries I've heard much about.

Regards
Doug King

"Gilligan" wrote
It's worse than we could ever imagine:

The FBI was established to keep tabs on FDRs friends and enemies. Thru the
LBJ years and before they operated a conference center cum motel in So MD,
complete with bugged rooms, secret passages and 2-way mirrors. New
congressmen invited to power conferences would find themselves the targets
of beautiful groupies who plied them with drink and more then took them to
rooms and screwed their brains out while FBI cameras and recorder rolled.
Thereafter, when FDR or LBJ needed votes on an issue the congressmen would
be reminded of these indiscressions. Did you really think FBI's purpose is
law enforcement? Bwahahaha. If so, you've been watching too many
propaganda movies.