I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?

Danny wrote:
I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?

All else being equal, a centerboard or keel/centerboard will outperform
a shoal keel in every way by a noticable margin. Of course, the
centerboard hoisting gear is a maintenance item... nothing comes for free.



Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4".

I don't think you're going to find standing headroom in a 25 footer.
Now, if you can go to a Morgan 30 or Ericson 29, then sure. Meanwhile,
you'll be hunting for a boat with long bunks and good elbow room.
Hunters & Beneteaus are usually among the roomiest for their LOA.


.... I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable

??? Catalinas are no better than average in any respect. In
seaworthiness & stabilty & performance, I'd put them below average.

... but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Are you willing to put in a good bit of sweat equity? How about sinking
some further money in for upgrades as time goes along? What is your size
limit? You're going to have to settle for something older... consider a
Chrysler 26 or Balboa 26 (last link below)

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(Danny) wrote in message . com...
I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?


Get a Mac !

Joe

What's a Mac?

(Joe) wrote in message . com...
(Danny) wrote in message . com...
I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?


Get a Mac !

Joe

oh boy...........you asked the wrong question
gf.


"Danny" wrote in message
om...
What's a Mac?

(Joe) wrote in message
. com...
(Danny) wrote in message
. com...
I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?


Get a Mac !

Joe

In article ,
Danny wrote:
What's a Mac?

To do a terrible disservice to Louis Armstrong...

If you don't know, you're better off.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Oh crap.....
"Danny" wrote in message
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What's a Mac?

(Joe) wrote in message
. com...
(Danny) wrote in message
. com...
I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?


Get a Mac !

Joe

Danny wrote:
What's a Mac?

Actually, a Mac (MacGregor 26M) might serve your needs nicely. It's a
lightweight, trailerable, water ballasted boat having a 1-foot (you read
right) minimal draft with its dagger board up, and a 5-foot draft with
the board down. It's termed a power-sailor, in that it can be powered at
15 - 20 mph with a 50 hp outboard quickly delivering you to a desired
sailing area. It can then be sailed in the desired sailing area, then
beached for picnics, etc., and then brought back to shore and stored on
its trailer out the water (minimizing maintenance and marina fees). With
a new 50 hp motor, the new models won't be available for $5,000, however.

Despite the derogatory remarks you will see on this board regarding the
Macs, more of them are sold each year than almost any other sailboat of
comparable size. In addition to its versatility, the Macs can be pretty
exciting to sail. As mentioned above, under power, in certain
conditions, they can be brought to a plane, even with a full water
ballast tank. It has sufficient bunk space to sleep 6, plus another two
in the cockpit, although you probably wouldn't want to sail for an
extended trip with more than two to four. It isn't a racer, and it
doesn't have the room and stability of a 40-foot cruiser, so I don't
think you should try to sail to England, or South America on such a
boat. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, you probably won't get 6' 4"
headroom on a small boat, although with the top pushed forward on the
Mac, you will.

As to safety (unless you plan on lending your boat to a drunk skipper
who is going to carry 10 or more passengers, severely overloading the
boat), the Macs have a number of advantages over most boats mentioned on
this ng. They include a double liner in the hull such that if the lower
hull is penetrated, water from the resulting opening normally does not
enter the cabin, due to the fact that it is maintained within the
ballast tank by the upper wall of the ballast tank. Additionally, the
mast is partially foam-filled, thereby resisting a complete "hurtling"
of the boat under a broach. Additionally, the boat includes sufficient
built-in foam floatation to keep the boat afloat even if its hull is
severely compromised during a collision, etc. In other words, whereas
most of the boats mentioned on this ng will quickly sink to the bottom
if their hulls are compromised due to their heavily weighted keels, the
MacGregor will stay afloat.

One thing you should be aware of relative to the Macs. - Despite (or
maybe because of) their popularity around the world, some of the old
salts on this ng will ridicule your choice of a Mac from now till the
cows come home. Its one of the few amusements that seems always to
interest them, - Keep in mind, however, that most of them have never
sailed the Mac 26M model. In fact, to be honest about it, most of the
Mac-bashers on this ng really don't know their ass from a hole in the
ground. It's always interesting to see their reaction when they are
asked for some evidence to back up their wild statements about the Macs.
(Such as their being light, under built, etc.) - Usually, they have no
evidence whatsoever, and resort to wild and irrelevant anecdotes. (Fyi,
the Macs are a light boat, so, of course, they use relatively light and
simple standing rigging, etc.)

More importantly, the Mac 26M is roomy, comfortable, and fun and
exciting to sail.

Jim

(Joe) wrote in message . com...

(Danny) wrote in message . com...

I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?


Get a Mac !

Joe

He bought one he wants to sell...

Cheers

Jim Cate wrote:



Danny wrote:

What's a Mac?


Actually, a Mac (MacGregor 26M) might serve your needs nicely. It's a
lightweight, trailerable, water ballasted boat having a 1-foot (you read
right) minimal draft with its dagger board up, and a 5-foot draft with
the board down. It's termed a power-sailor, in that it can be powered at
15 - 20 mph with a 50 hp outboard quickly delivering you to a desired
sailing area. It can then be sailed in the desired sailing area, then
beached for picnics, etc., and then brought back to shore and stored on
its trailer out the water (minimizing maintenance and marina fees). With
a new 50 hp motor, the new models won't be available for $5,000, however.

Despite the derogatory remarks you will see on this board regarding the
Macs, more of them are sold each year than almost any other sailboat of
comparable size. In addition to its versatility, the Macs can be pretty
exciting to sail. As mentioned above, under power, in certain
conditions, they can be brought to a plane, even with a full water
ballast tank. It has sufficient bunk space to sleep 6, plus another two
in the cockpit, although you probably wouldn't want to sail for an
extended trip with more than two to four. It isn't a racer, and it
doesn't have the room and stability of a 40-foot cruiser, so I don't
think you should try to sail to England, or South America on such a
boat. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, you probably won't get 6' 4"
headroom on a small boat, although with the top pushed forward on the
Mac, you will.

As to safety (unless you plan on lending your boat to a drunk skipper
who is going to carry 10 or more passengers, severely overloading the
boat), the Macs have a number of advantages over most boats mentioned on
this ng. They include a double liner in the hull such that if the lower
hull is penetrated, water from the resulting opening normally does not
enter the cabin, due to the fact that it is maintained within the
ballast tank by the upper wall of the ballast tank. Additionally, the
mast is partially foam-filled, thereby resisting a complete "hurtling"
of the boat under a broach. Additionally, the boat includes sufficient
built-in foam floatation to keep the boat afloat even if its hull is
severely compromised during a collision, etc. In other words, whereas
most of the boats mentioned on this ng will quickly sink to the bottom
if their hulls are compromised due to their heavily weighted keels, the
MacGregor will stay afloat.

One thing you should be aware of relative to the Macs. - Despite (or
maybe because of) their popularity around the world, some of the old
salts on this ng will ridicule your choice of a Mac from now till the
cows come home. Its one of the few amusements that seems always to
interest them, - Keep in mind, however, that most of them have never
sailed the Mac 26M model. In fact, to be honest about it, most of the
Mac-bashers on this ng really don't know their ass from a hole in the
ground. It's always interesting to see their reaction when they are
asked for some evidence to back up their wild statements about the Macs.
(Such as their being light, under built, etc.) - Usually, they have no
evidence whatsoever, and resort to wild and irrelevant anecdotes. (Fyi,
the Macs are a light boat, so, of course, they use relatively light and
simple standing rigging, etc.)

More importantly, the Mac 26M is roomy, comfortable, and fun and
exciting to sail.

Jim


(Joe) wrote in message
. com...

(Danny) wrote in message
. com...

I've been sailing Hobie Cats, windsurfers and all sorts of little
sunfishy kind of things for years. I have sailed a few mid 20's
Catalina Sailboats as crew with success. I am planning on buying a
used 25 foot sailboat and need to know recommendations. What I'd like
to have is something with small draft as I'll be sailing a shallow
bay. Swing Keel I guess or maybe a shoal keel gives me the same draft?
Good sleeping space and standing space would be nice as I am 6'4". I
also would liek a compromise between stability and performance. I
understand Catalina's are great because they are virtually
un-capasizable but maybe something that would be a bit more fun and
still pretty damn hard to flip. I'm ready to spend up to $5,000 US.

Whaddya think all?



Get a Mac !
Joe

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:37:59 +1200, Nav
wrote:

He bought one he wants to sell...

Cheers

Maybe so. The original poster has a budget of $5k. Surely no one
would pay more than that for one.