It was crap in 1965. It was crap when the last owner threw it away.
it's crap today, and it will still be crap tomorrow.


Horvath knows little about boats. The Cal 20 is classic plastic and still
popular today. Solid little boats that probably will outlast the Hunter, sad to
say.

RB

Jeff Morris wrote:
Good Grief Jim, don't be such a coward! I've only quoted your exact words
several times now, then a month later you deny you ever said them? Is this what
they trained you to do in law school??

One more time: I commented that MacGregor had a long list of rather severe
warnings about the stability of the boat. Things that you would never see about
a "normal" sailboat. In particular, at speed without ballast, nobody should
use the forward cabin (or the head?), nobody on deck, no standing, avoid seas
greater than one foot, etc. I felt these warnings were likely justified, and a
bit in contradiction with marketing the boat as a safe family sailor that can to
18 MPH.

Your response was:
"Jeff, have you had many dealings with corporate attorneys? Or tort lawyers? If
you had, you would recognize that these warnings, if taken literally, are
something like the warnings posted in our health center warning us to be sure to
wear our seat belt when using the Nautilus weight training equipment. Or, like
the long list of warnings you get when you purchase any electrical appliance,
audio equipment, etc. "


Where is the note in which this paragraph appears? I can't find it, and
since you want to discuss it, I need to see it in context.

Jim

Jeez, Jim. You call yourself a patent attorney and you can't do simple research
like this? This discussion has been about understanding reality, and you can't
even find a post that you made?

I'll give you a hint, you can look in your "sent folder" on April 11, 2004. or
you can go to Google Groups.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jeff Morris wrote:
Good Grief Jim, don't be such a coward! I've only quoted your exact words
several times now, then a month later you deny you ever said them? Is this
what
they trained you to do in law school??

One more time: I commented that MacGregor had a long list of rather severe
warnings about the stability of the boat. Things that you would never see
about
a "normal" sailboat. In particular, at speed without ballast, nobody
should
use the forward cabin (or the head?), nobody on deck, no standing, avoid
seas
greater than one foot, etc. I felt these warnings were likely justified,
and a
bit in contradiction with marketing the boat as a safe family sailor that
can to
18 MPH.

Your response was:
"Jeff, have you had many dealings with corporate attorneys? Or tort lawyers?
If
you had, you would recognize that these warnings, if taken literally, are
something like the warnings posted in our health center warning us to be
sure to
wear our seat belt when using the Nautilus weight training equipment. Or,
like
the long list of warnings you get when you purchase any electrical
appliance,
audio equipment, etc. "


Where is the note in which this paragraph appears? I can't find it, and
since you want to discuss it, I need to see it in context.

Jim