Maxprop wrote:
Please learn to read, Doug. I said "camps," which is encompassing and not
an abbreviation for campaigns. I'm including the websites, books, newspaper
and periodical accounts and anything else produced by Kerry and Bush
supporters as well as by the candidates themselves, such as Kerry's book
"Tour of Duty" and the book "Unfit for Command" by O'Neill.

In other words, advertising by paid shills.

I don't consider this substantive information.

... I've also
visited moveon.org and seen MM's movie. I'm betting you've not availed
yourself of any of the opposition's contributions, labeling them lies and
distortions without ever laying eyes to them.

Actually, I don't pay much attention to the media at all. I read some of
the mainstream news... our local newspaper(s) are very conservatively
biased... and read some info off the web. I prefer to get info from
direct sources. That's one of the nice things about this modern era.


.... Please elucidate your definition of
conservative.

Ha. I asked you first. However, since you are only interested in gas &
bluster, and will never define your position, I will give you the
accepted definition of "politically conservative."

1- Belief in existing forms, priniciples, & standards of gov't as
opposed to substantial change.

2- Strong national defense

3- sound fiscal policy


... And if you're so inclined, I'd really love to hear how you
believe John Kerry exemplifies any of the characteristics embodied in your
definition. That should be fascinating.

Actually, on # 2 and # 3 he's more "conservative" than George Bush Jr.


Your mind has been "made up" by the chorus of crap from the fascist
whacko tub thumpers.


Actually, between the two of us, I'm the only one who has viewed both sides
and the respective advocates' positions

Actually, you haven't seen anything at all published by Kerry and his
campaign, and it appears you have not bothered to look to see what the
main republican players have to say for themselves. You've totally
swallowed what others have said, including a big-bucks campaign of lies
aimed solely at discrediting Kerry.

And you're patting yourself on the back for being "smart."



I'm hardly complacent w/r/t my position. Rather I've done the footwork.

Hardly. You haven't so much as lifted a toe, much less done any "footwork."

Have you?

Far more than you, and without really trying hard, apparently.



Please answer this, Doug: name one modern (within the past century or two)
nation that has gravitated from relative conservatism to a more liberal
state, ultimately resulting in socialism, and has remained viable,
successful, and economically prosperous. Hint: don't bother; there are
none.

Huh? I guess this is an example of your "footwork." Ever heard of a
little country called Sweden? They currently have a higher standard of
living than the US. Many of the major European countries, Germany &
Great Britain for example, have far more socialist gov't programs than
we do, and they seem to be doing pretty well. Check out Japan's economic
development since about the mid-1960s.

Certainly those countries are "viable, successful, and economically
prosperous."

In other words, your opinions are based on total ignorance of the
subject at hand.

DSK