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Joe August 22nd 04 05:23 PM

Go Home Please says the "Band of Brothers"
 
John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning
in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Rahn Bay for a month of
training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested
a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction
1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request
reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only
Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard
one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or
killed.

It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the
result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to
unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own
commanding officer.

John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to
leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer
Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge)
of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim. Wright reports that he
"had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those
who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather
than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be
removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third
Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of
the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We
knew how the system worked and we didn't want him in Coastal Division
11."

Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to
gaps in the Naval records provided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps
include missing and incomplete fitness reports, missing medical
records and missing records related to his medal awards.

For this reason we call upon Senator Kerry to authorize complete
access to all his military records by filing a standard Form 180, a
simple two-page release form.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is in the process of researching John
Kerry's time in Vietnam by conducting interviews with eyewitnesses to
his activities, and we plan to add material to this section over the
next several weeks as it becomes available. We will report the true
circumstances of Kerry's medal awards and injuries, describe other
controversial missions, and provide in-depth analysis of his fitness
reports.


..
Kerry's Medals

1st Purple Heart: December 2, 1968

2nd Purple Heart: February 20, 1969

Silver Star: February 28, 1969

Bronze Star / 3rd Purple Heart: March 13, 1969



Other Missions

Sampan Incident: January 20, 1969.


Was Teddy Kennedy and the Kennedy family pulling strings for Kerry in
the Navy during JFK's Vietnam War?
Why is Kerry refusing to release his records?

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/morphws.HTML
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...pic=Historians

Also when will his wife release her tax returns showing she is worth
$3 billion. She loaned money to his campaign and is giving money to
liberal political groups. Americans have a right to know.

Joe

Jonathan Ganz August 22nd 04 07:43 PM

A load of crap as usual from Karl Rove and the Bush attack dogs.
**** you Karl Rove.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
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Phil Morris August 22nd 04 08:20 PM

Lies, all lies!

John Kerry lept upon a hand grenade and covered it with his body to protect
his fellow sailors. He turned down a purple heart for it and has kept the
whole story hush-hush.

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning
in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Rahn Bay for a month of
training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested
a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction
1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request
reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only
Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard
one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or
killed.

It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the
result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to
unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own
commanding officer.

John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to
leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer
Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge)
of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim. Wright reports that he
"had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those
who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather
than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be
removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third
Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of
the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We
knew how the system worked and we didn't want him in Coastal Division
11."

Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to
gaps in the Naval records provided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps
include missing and incomplete fitness reports, missing medical
records and missing records related to his medal awards.

For this reason we call upon Senator Kerry to authorize complete
access to all his military records by filing a standard Form 180, a
simple two-page release form.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is in the process of researching John
Kerry's time in Vietnam by conducting interviews with eyewitnesses to
his activities, and we plan to add material to this section over the
next several weeks as it becomes available. We will report the true
circumstances of Kerry's medal awards and injuries, describe other
controversial missions, and provide in-depth analysis of his fitness
reports.


.
Kerry's Medals

1st Purple Heart: December 2, 1968

2nd Purple Heart: February 20, 1969

Silver Star: February 28, 1969

Bronze Star / 3rd Purple Heart: March 13, 1969



Other Missions

Sampan Incident: January 20, 1969.


Was Teddy Kennedy and the Kennedy family pulling strings for Kerry in
the Navy during JFK's Vietnam War?
Why is Kerry refusing to release his records?

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/morphws.HTML
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/in...pic=Historians

Also when will his wife release her tax returns showing she is worth
$3 billion. She loaned money to his campaign and is giving money to
liberal political groups. Americans have a right to know.

Joe




Walt August 23rd 04 03:00 AM

Joe wrote:

crap deleted

Hanging out with the Freetards again, Joe?

You do know that they're playing you for a sucker, don't you?

Do yourself a favor and get off of the kook sites for awhile.
Otherwise your tin-foil hat may become permanent.

--
// Walt
//
// There is no Volkl Conspiracy


Thom Stewart August 23rd 04 03:37 AM

Hey Joe,

How about you give a report on Bush's Vietnam Tour as to compare it with
Kerry's.
You can even use Cheney's time to help King George.

You can even use the Swift Boat Lairs to match Bush's Time vs Kerry's

Joe, you're making yourself look stupid by criticizing Kerry service
time vs Bush's Zero time. DOESN'T COMPUTE!

Ole Thom


Jonathan Ganz August 23rd 04 07:41 AM

Cheney had other priorities.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Hey Joe,

How about you give a report on Bush's Vietnam Tour as to compare it with
Kerry's.
You can even use Cheney's time to help King George.

You can even use the Swift Boat Lairs to match Bush's Time vs Kerry's

Joe, you're making yourself look stupid by criticizing Kerry service
time vs Bush's Zero time. DOESN'T COMPUTE!

Ole Thom




Vito August 23rd 04 02:12 PM

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, .....


Just for arguement, let's say Kerry's tour was a complete BJ - that he
screwed up every mission, got himself wounded every time he encountered an
enemy, and got sent home early. Well, at least he volunteered and tried.

Meanwhile, our favorite village idiot was sleeping off another drunk in some
frat house, unable to make his physical. Or was he afraid of what drugs
that physical might show??

And who's pushing this crap? A Bush front group, as bad as Hitler's Brown
Shirts, playing talking heads for a Bush speech writer who's desperate to
divert attention from what Bush has done to us. That out of context excerpt
from Kerry's Senate speech shows how sneakin dishonest they are. "Two
hundred people told me Joe is gay" is hardly the same as "Joe is gay".

Fact is, there were atrocities. Out of all the 1000s of low class kids (rich
kids didn't go) we sent to 'nam, do you really think that none of them were
sadistic SOBs before they went and after they got there? Jeeze, I went to
school with dudes who thot that setting other kids on fire or throwing them
under cars was fine sport! Rape? They raped their classmates - male and
female. What do you think they did in 'nam? Saying there were no perv's is
almost as honest as saying you were all pervs.

But maybe you were. Maybe y'all hate Kerry 'cuz the truth is too close to
home, eh? eh?



Bobsprit August 23rd 04 11:44 PM

Bush is not out bragging and touting his service time as a reason he
should be re-elected.

He would if he could. Don't be so silly. Bush would be all over it if he ever
served worth a damn.


RB

Bobsprit August 23rd 04 11:45 PM

Kerry on
the other hand will not address the issues that matter,




Idiot. Kerry has addressed all the issues quite clearly. You're the one who is
focused on this issue.

RB

Bobsprit August 23rd 04 11:56 PM

Your just a left wing winnie that would let the French make you and
your country look like a pansy ville.


Joe, been to Europe recently? I was. Been to Canada or Tokyo? My father was.
You have simply zero concept of how this country's reputation has dwindled
since Bush has been office.
You're living in a microcosm that does not reflect any reality. I'm stunned
that ANY republican can support Bush at this point. He's NO republican and
that's for certain.

RB

Joe August 24th 04 03:18 AM

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Your just a left wing winnie that would let the French make you and
your country look like a pansy ville.


Joe, been to Europe recently? I was.


Sure Bob, Just like you were watching 911 on a 40" plasma screen on a
friends boat. Gee I did not think 911 was out on DVD or video, perhaps
you have been to the show with your recorder and ripped off another
directors work huh? No let me guess Micheal moore is a friend and
asked you to review his crap.


Been to Canada or Tokyo? My father was.

Yes I was in Canada last March Winsor, and Fukuoka in 2002 both on biz
trips, also Taiwan and China.


You have simply zero concept of how this country's reputation has dwindled
since Bush has been office.


You hang around with to many stuck up assholes Bob. Most the people I
meet are very polite, I treat them with the same respect. But then
again we usually do not mix politics with business.


You're living in a microcosm that does not reflect any reality.


Yeah right Bob. I deal with people all over the world on a daily
basis. Germans, French, Chinese, Canadans, ect. Unlike you I have more
important things to do then talk down our president. But then again
most are looking at wanting to come here to the USA and work so they
do not dwell on things that might be taken the wrong way.


I'm stunned
that ANY republican can support Bush at this point. He's NO republican and
that's for certain.


Well Kerry aint the typical Democrat is he. How many billionaire
democrats do you know?

RB


Joe

Horvath August 24th 04 03:26 AM

On 23 Aug 2004 22:44:35 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Bush is not out bragging and touting his service time as a reason he
should be re-elected.

He would if he could. Don't be so silly. Bush would be all over it if he ever
served worth a damn.



He was a fighter pilot. What did you ever do?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath August 24th 04 03:27 AM

On 23 Aug 2004 22:45:33 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Kerry on
the other hand will not address the issues that matter,




Idiot. Kerry has addressed all the issues quite clearly. You're the one who is
focused on this issue.


Oh, yeah! Like fighting a "sensitive" war.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

felton August 24th 04 03:55 AM

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:26:42 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On 23 Aug 2004 22:44:35 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Bush is not out bragging and touting his service time as a reason he
should be re-elected.

He would if he could. Don't be so silly. Bush would be all over it if he ever
served worth a damn.



He was a fighter pilot. What did you ever do?


Fighter pilot? Who was he fighting? I don't recall the North
Vietnamese attacking Texas.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!



felton August 24th 04 03:57 AM

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:27:46 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On 23 Aug 2004 22:45:33 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Kerry on
the other hand will not address the issues that matter,




Idiot. Kerry has addressed all the issues quite clearly. You're the one who is
focused on this issue.


Oh, yeah! Like fighting a "sensitive" war.


Now I am going to give you a chance to rethink that before I bust you
for the stupidity of that statement.

You are welcome.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!



Bobsprit August 24th 04 12:50 PM

Sure Bob, Just like you were watching 911 on a 40" plasma screen on a
friends boat.


Here's the boat...
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/atayb.jpg
And here I am at the wheel...
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/atay.jpg

She's a new Tayana 48 and I'll be sailing her today. Yup, she does have a
plasma set. Nice boat. You lose again, Joe.

RB

Bobsprit August 24th 04 12:54 PM

But then
again we usually do not mix politics with business.


So then you admit you have no idea of how this country's rep has fallen.

Unlike you I have more
important things to do then talk down our president.

Joe, I've been posting here for the last 48 hours while you've had "time" to
post anti Kerry crap all summer. Bwahahahaha! Busted again.

But then again
most are looking at wanting to come here to the USA and work so they
do not dwell on things that might be taken the wrong way.

So again you admit you have no idea of how this country is percieved. Thanks
for supporting my point, dopey!

What an idiot you STILL are!

RB

Bobsprit August 24th 04 12:55 PM

He would if he could. Don't be so silly. Bush would be all over it if he ever
served worth a damn.



He was a fighter pilot.


Quick, someone sell Horvath another Hunter. You can fool some of the people ALL
of the time.

RB

Jonathan Ganz August 24th 04 06:18 PM

Yeah, when he actually flew, he was defending us from Mexicans.

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
He was a fighter pilot. What did you ever do?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


felton August 24th 04 06:23 PM

On 24 Aug 2004 10:18:54 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

Yeah, when he actually flew, he was defending us from Mexicans.


No...Oklahoma. Every real Texan knows the Border Patrol is guarding
the wrong river:)

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
He was a fighter pilot. What did you ever do?



Capt. Mooron August 24th 04 07:11 PM

Good Grief Bob... have you ever packed on the pounds!!

Look at those flabby arms!!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Sure Bob, Just like you were watching 911 on a 40" plasma screen on a
| friends boat.
|
|
| Here's the boat...
| http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/atayb.jpg
| And here I am at the wheel...
| http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/atay.jpg
|
| She's a new Tayana 48 and I'll be sailing her today. Yup, she does have a
| plasma set. Nice boat. You lose again, Joe.
|
| RB



Bobsprit August 24th 04 07:55 PM

Good Grief Bob... have you ever packed on the pounds!!

Look at those flabby arms!!


Yeah? Great post, Mooron. Notice that I'm sailing. Did a lot of that this
summer while you stayed home and typed messages to Loco and Horvath.

RB

Capt. Mooron August 24th 04 08:03 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Good Grief Bob... have you ever packed on the pounds!!
|
| Look at those flabby arms!!
|
|
| Yeah? Great post, Mooron. Notice that I'm sailing. Did a lot of that this
| summer while you stayed home and typed messages to Loco and Horvath.

Well buddy if you did all that sailing... how in the hell did you gain that
weight... and why aren't your arms reflecting the workload of sail hoists??

Look man... it's for your own good I'm doing this. You are truly slipping in
regards to muscle tone. It looks like you've packed on 40 lbs but I'm
crediting the camera with at least 10 of those.

I sailed this weekend... single handing. My muscle tone is more than
excellent... it's fantastic.


....and BTW Bob... had you raised to your obligations regarding Loco... I
wouldn't have been forced to take on the extra load to slap him around for
you!!!

CM



Joe August 24th 04 08:04 PM

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Sure Bob, Just like you were watching 911 on a 40" plasma screen on a
friends boat.


Here's the boat...
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/atayb.jpg
And here I am at the wheel...
http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/atay.jpg

She's a new Tayana 48 and I'll be sailing her today. Yup, she does have a
plasma set. Nice boat. You lose again, Joe.

RB



I do not doubt you were on a nicer boat than your wifes C&C, and I do
not doubt they had a 40" Plasma screen TV. Many people have fine boats
and TV's.

Remember you said you were studying Moore's propaganda on the friend
Tayana 48? So how did you get a copy of the film 911 Bobsprit? It's
not out on DVD or VHS. Did you or you friend rip it off? I would think
someone in the biz would be against stealing anothers directors work..
Guess not huh?

So are you a liar, or just a thief?

You lose again:o)

Hope Suzy is doing well! I wish the best for you both come b-day.

Joe

Capt. Mooron August 24th 04 08:06 PM


"Joe" wrote in message
| I do not doubt you were on a nicer boat than your wifes C&C, and I do
| not doubt they had a 40" Plasma screen TV. Many people have fine boats
| and TV's.

How can you say that Joe... unless we actually see the picture of the 40"
plasma screen!!!

All I saw was a boat and chubby Bob!


| Hope Suzy is doing well! I wish the best for you both come b-day.

Same here Bob.... ;-)

CM



Bobsprit August 24th 04 09:48 PM

So how did you get a copy of the film 911 Bobsprit? It's
not out on DVD or VHS.



Poor Joe!!! It's called an academy screener mailed out to people in the biz.
Keep trying Joe!

Meanwhile, you're BUSTED AGAIN! In an hour I'll be enjoying a night sail while
you cry over my posts!

RB

Bobsprit August 24th 04 09:50 PM

Hope Suzy is doing well! I wish the best for you both come b-day.


Dialated 1 CM today, so we changed our plans to sail tonight instead of a
daysail. Doctor says she could deliver tomorrow or two weeks from now...all
very exciting.

RB

Bobsprit August 24th 04 09:51 PM

| Hope Suzy is doing well! I wish the best for you both come b-day.

Same here Bob.... ;-)


Thanks, Mooron. It'll be very soon and I'll be a father. I'm buying him a
dinghy in a couple of years!

RB

Bobsprit August 24th 04 09:53 PM

Look man... it's for your own good I'm doing this. You are truly slipping in
regards to muscle tone. It looks like you've packed on 40 lbs but I'm
crediting the camera with at least 10 of those.

Shhhh. I'm enjoying some peanut M&Ms.

RB

Bobsprit August 24th 04 09:56 PM

and BTW Bob... had you raised to your obligations regarding Loco... I
wouldn't have been forced to take on the extra load to slap him around for
you!!!


I did catch some of the beating you handed him. Loco's not the least bit
creative, so it's a bit sad to attack him. You really thrashed him, perhaps
even harder than I usually do. Mercy is a virtue, mooron.


RB

Capt. Mooron August 24th 04 10:51 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| and BTW Bob... had you raised to your obligations regarding Loco... I
| wouldn't have been forced to take on the extra load to slap him around for
| you!!!
|
|
| I did catch some of the beating you handed him. Loco's not the least bit
| creative, so it's a bit sad to attack him. You really thrashed him,
perhaps
| even harder than I usually do. Mercy is a virtue, mooron.

Yes... even the Ice Queen...Katysails.... felt a tinge of pity pierce her
permafrost!


CM



Vito August 25th 04 02:39 PM

"felton" wrote in message
...
On 24 Aug 2004 10:18:54 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

Yeah, when he actually flew, he was defending us from Mexicans.


No...Oklahoma. Every real Texan knows the Border Patrol is guarding
the wrong river:)


That's a fact. Y'see some Okies who went to California during the 'Grapes of
Wrath' period stayed and some came back, but they all got rich. Now those
who returned are jealous of their brethern who not only own California but
have a "Baja California" to party on. So the returnees are planning to buy
Texas and rename it "Baja Oklahoma".



Lady Pilot August 26th 04 04:01 AM


"felton" wrote:
On 24 Aug 2004 10:18:54 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

Yeah, when he actually flew, he was defending us from Mexicans.


No...Oklahoma. Every real Texan knows the Border Patrol is guarding
the wrong river:)


Nice troll, felton. You're just mad because we always whip you guys at
football.

Remember the old joke: Why is it so windy in Oklahoma?

A. Because Kansas blows and Texas sucks. ;-)

LP



Lady Pilot August 26th 04 04:03 AM


"Vito" wrote:
"felton" wrote:


No...Oklahoma. Every real Texan knows the Border Patrol is guarding
the wrong river:)


That's a fact. Y'see some Okies who went to California during the 'Grapes

of
Wrath' period stayed and some came back, but they all got rich.


They did? I need to talk to my Grandmother about my inheritance!

Now those
who returned are jealous of their brethern who not only own California but
have a "Baja California" to party on. So the returnees are planning to buy
Texas and rename it "Baja Oklahoma".


Sounds good to me!

LP



Scout September 5th 04 07:31 PM

Vito,
If you know of any documentation that supports this claim, how about sharing
them?
I cover this story with my class and I'm always looking for interesting,
factual tidbits to include.
Scout

"Vito" wrote
That's a fact. Y'see some Okies who went to California during the 'Grapes

of
Wrath' period stayed and some came back, but they all got rich.





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