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Bobspirt August 11th 04 02:56 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
go away

FamilySailor August 11th 04 04:37 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
the stonewalling of stem cell research would be a bit less
horrifying. Okay, maybe not.

I thought Bush was the first pres to fund stem cell research and there are
no restrictions on stem cell research of any kind (name one), just
restrictions on government funding of certain kinds of research and since
there was no government funding prior to Bush, nothing has been restricted.
They are just given funds to advance certain types of stem cell research.
The liberal media has sucked you in.

Sea Yawl,
John



Capt. Mooron August 11th 04 08:51 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 

"Joe" wrote in message
| Good Luck! Sure you do not want to donate use him for stem cell research?
|
| I'm sure someone would be willing to pay lots of money!

All this shows is your ability to overstep the lines of good taste and sound
judgment ... just like Bob...

Then again you both are quite alike....


CM



Joe August 12th 04 03:12 AM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
"Capt. Mooron"
Then again you both are quite alike....


CM



Hey, you have now step over the line here. Take it back!

Joe

Vito August 12th 04 12:58 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
"Joe" wrote

Attacks like in Kuwait?


That's one that should be revisited because, in hindsight, it appears the
elder Bush MAY have set Saddam up. Yasee Saddam was strapped for cash after
fighting Iran's Muslim extremists to a draw and TWICE asked the US
Ambassador what the US would do if he annexed Kuwait. She twice told him
'Nothing, why would we care?'. But when he did all hell fell on him and
Bush's popularity skyrocketed. Of course the alternative is that Bush Sr
was too stupid to have done that. Look at his kid.



Scott Vernon August 12th 04 01:35 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

....... some abortions are
required for diverse reasons.


such as the dad being boob****.

SV



Joe August 12th 04 04:05 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
| Good Luck! Sure you do not want to donate use him for stem cell research?
|
| I'm sure someone would be willing to pay lots of money!

All this shows is your ability to overstep the lines of good taste and sound
judgment ... just like Bob...


So Mooron, where do you think they get stem cells from?
Bob has been a ardent supporter of SCR.

And what is stepping over the boundry of good taste and sound
judgement? Just how young should a embyro be to rip it from the womb
and take the stem cells for your own purpose, or money?

Did I step over the line because I suggested he use his own, instead
of someone elses? Help me out here, I hate to be politically incorrect
or rude.

Joe









Then again you both are quite alike....


CM


Jonathan Ganz August 12th 04 06:13 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
You know nothing about SCR if you think a fetus is
used for them. It's right-wing propoganda. Even
Nancy Reagan knows better, and that's not saying
much.

In article ,
Joe wrote:
So Mooron, where do you think they get stem cells from?
Bob has been a ardent supporter of SCR.

And what is stepping over the boundry of good taste and sound
judgement? Just how young should a embyro be to rip it from the womb
and take the stem cells for your own purpose, or money?


Now this is funny....

Did I step over the line because I suggested he use his own, instead
of someone elses? Help me out here, I hate to be politically incorrect
or rude.


Jonathan
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Joe August 13th 04 01:03 AM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
(Jonathan Ganz) wrote in message ...
You know nothing about SCR if you think a fetus is
used for them. It's right-wing propoganda. Even
Nancy Reagan knows better, and that's not saying
much.


Jon,

The stem cell is the origin of life. At stated first by the great
pathologist Rudolph Virchow, "All cells come from cells." The ultimate
stem cell, the fertilized egg, is formed from fusion of the haploid
progeny of germinal stem cells. The fertilized egg is totipotent; from
it forms all the tissues of the developing embryo. During development
of the embryo, germinal stem cells are formed, which persist in the
adult to allow the cycle of life to continue. In the adult, tissue is
renewed by proliferation of specialized stem cells, which divide to
form one cell that remains a stem cell and another cell that begins
the process of differentiation to the specialized function of a mature
cell type. Normal tissue renewal is accomplished by the
differentiating progeny of the stem cells, the so-called
transit-amplifying cells. For example, blood cells are mature cells
derived from hematopoietic stem cells in the bone marrow; the lining
cells of the gastrointestinal tract are formed from transit-amplifying
cells, progeny of stem cells in the base of intestinal glands.

So tell us Jonathan... you know it all, just where do think most stem
cells used in research come from? Where is the source of the best stem
cells?



In article ,
Joe wrote:
So Mooron, where do you think they get stem cells from?
Bob has been a ardent supporter of SCR.

And what is stepping over the boundry of good taste and sound
judgement? Just how young should a embyro be to rip it from the womb
and take the stem cells for your own purpose, or money?


Now this is funny....

Did I step over the line because I suggested he use his own, instead
of someone elses? Help me out here, I hate to be politically incorrect
or rude.



I thought you would like that. But the fact is, even you were a
embyro-fetus-child-gay adult. One great source of stem cells comes
from cord blood btw, you know.... that thing your mother chewed off to
get away from you asap.

Im all for any research that will save lives, just as long as your
not making and taking lives to do it.

Joe


Jonathan


Jonathan Ganz August 13th 04 01:08 AM

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Instead of me typing... why not read what Ron Reagan
said at the DNC. It's pretty simple and straightforward.

In article ,
Joe wrote:
So tell us Jonathan... you know it all, just where do think most stem
cells used in research come from? Where is the source of the best stem
cells?


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/27/po...5256&ei=5 070

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Capt. Mooron August 13th 04 01:10 AM

Like I'm a two year old....
 

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron"
| Then again you both are quite alike....
|
|
| CM
|
|
| Hey, you have now step over the line here. Take it back!

Sometimes it takes "Tough Love" to bring your sailing buddies back from the
brink of Bobbydom!

CM



Capt. Mooron August 13th 04 01:20 AM

Like I'm a two year old....
 

"Joe" wrote in message

| So Mooron, where do you think they get stem cells from?
| Bob has been a ardent supporter of SCR.

I don't know Joe....

|
| And what is stepping over the boundary of good taste and sound
| judgement? Just how young should a embyro be to rip it from the womb
| and take the stem cells for your own purpose, or money?

Odd... I'm a Right to Life with understanding that it's neither my choice
nor my body.


|
| Did I step over the line because I suggested he use his own, instead
| of someone elses? Help me out here, I hate to be politically incorrect
| or rude.

No Joe... you stepped over the line when you suggested he kill his own
offspring which he is wanting and waiting for. That's the line Joe.....
when someone aborts for a reason... I can't stand in judgment of that. But
if the life is to be terminated than it's fitting it should be utilized for
good rather than disposed of uselessly. That's the whole point of the
matter.

The issue here is not Pro Life vs Pro Choice...... some abortions are
required for diverse reasons. Why waste the gift for some rather paltry and
self effacing values that in the grand scheme of things are ultimately
misguided.

Wishing some days that I had a clone to share the load...

CM







Capt. Mooron August 13th 04 02:41 AM

Like I'm a two year old....
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote
|
| ...... some abortions are
| required for diverse reasons.
|
| such as the dad being boob****.

You had your chance to drown him before he could breed...... who gonna pay?

CM



Vito August 13th 04 02:47 PM

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"Joe" wrote
The stem cell is the origin of life. .....


Yes! Absolutely! But they are NOT Human Beings.

.... where do think most stem cells used in research come from?


Currently, thanks to the village idiot and his imaginary friend, from some
22 cultures he chose for reasons no intellegent person can understand. That
is too few for reasonable genetic diversity and it effectively prevents the
research needed to develop cures for our most debilitating diseases.
Meanwhile, MDs are fertilizing 1000s of eggs in vitro so infertile couples
can have kids - a common procedure blessed by most cults. Once fertilized,
ONE of these "origins of life" is implanted and once ONE "takes" the rest
get flushed down a drain!! Why? Because "The Voices" told some idiot heard
said that using them to save lives is against their cult's beliefs.

Where is the source of the best stem cells?


From your own umbilical cord. They match your DNA so cells and organs grown
from them wouldn't be rejected. But you neglected to save those cells and
so did everybody else. So the next best way to get them is to inject your
DNA into an ova to get stem cells identical to those in your own body -
cells that can be used to repair YOU. But 'the voices' Bush obeys say YOU
must suffer horrible disease and die rather repair yourself .....

For example, I have diabetes. It costs $$$ to control and will eventually
kill me. The technology exists to take a few of my skin cells, extract my
DNA, inject it into an ova, and when enough stem cells develop, inject them
into my pancreas to CURE my diabetes. But that simple, safe procedure is not
FDA approved and scientists cannot conduct the studies needed to get it
approved because "the voices" told a village idiot that a lump of stem cells
is the same as a human being.

The First Amendment forbids the government to establish any religion, but GW
Bush is assuring our early deaths by imposing his idiotic religious notions
on medical researchers. That's why I'd rather write in Jessie Jackson, or
you, than vote Republican again.



Bobsprit August 13th 04 04:11 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
That's why I'd rather write in Jessie Jackson, or
you, than vote Republican again.


Excuse me...BUT MANY republicans are supporting stem cell research and fighting
Bush on this. In every respect Bush is wrong and the results of his religious
based ignorance goes well beyond being simply evil.

Robert B
Alien C&C 32
NY

Joe August 13th 04 06:29 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message

| So Mooron, where do you think they get stem cells from?
| Bob has been a ardent supporter of SCR.

I don't know Joe....

|
| And what is stepping over the boundary of good taste and sound
| judgement? Just how young should a embyro be to rip it from the womb
| and take the stem cells for your own purpose, or money?

Odd... I'm a Right to Life with understanding that it's neither my choice
nor my body.



I feel the same way Mooron.


|
| Did I step over the line because I suggested he use his own, instead
| of someone elses? Help me out here, I hate to be politically incorrect
| or rude.

No Joe... you stepped over the line when you suggested he kill his own
offspring which he is wanting and waiting for. That's the line Joe.....
when someone aborts for a reason... I can't stand in judgment of that. But
if the life is to be terminated than it's fitting it should be utilized for
good rather than disposed of uselessly. That's the whole point of the
matter.



Well the problem with that is someone will step over the line for the
bucks.
The only way Ive seen to harvest stem cells that I would not object to
is cord blood. However many want to clone embryo's and use those stem
cells.

IMO that is creating life to kill for your own use. Ever see the
movie the were they raise clones for spare body parts?


The issue here is not Pro Life vs Pro Choice...... some abortions are
required for diverse reasons. Why waste the gift for some rather paltry and
self effacing values that in the grand scheme of things are ultimately
misguided.

Because you will always run into the problem of money induced
abortions.
It's not like a fetus signed the back of his driver licences giving
permission to harvest organs, cells ect.

As I stated to Jon, a very good source of stem cells are trashed
every day in hospitals. It cord blood. If we can find a way to harvest
stem cells with permission of the donar I'm all for it.

Wishing some days that I had a clone to share the load...


I would mind having a cloned heart for when mine wears out, but I
would not be willing to take it from anyone without permission.

Joe

CM


Jonathan Ganz August 13th 04 09:26 PM

Like I'm a two year old....
 
In article ,
Joe wrote:
Well the problem with that is someone will step over the line for the
bucks.


Oh come on... there are always people in things for the money.

The only way Ive seen to harvest stem cells that I would not object to
is cord blood. However many want to clone embryo's and use those stem
cells.


Many? Like four? No one of any stature is advocating that.

IMO that is creating life to kill for your own use. Ever see the
movie the were they raise clones for spare body parts?


I thought you don't listen to the Hollywood types?

Because you will always run into the problem of money induced
abortions.
It's not like a fetus signed the back of his driver licences giving
permission to harvest organs, cells ect.


Bull****. There's no big money in abortions. No one of any
intelligence is in favor of abortions as birthcontrol. The right
wing is using hysterical arguments to support their religious
right views.

As I stated to Jon, a very good source of stem cells are trashed
every day in hospitals. It cord blood. If we can find a way to harvest
stem cells with permission of the donar I'm all for it.


Yeh, and Bush and company want to make it illegal to use them.

I would mind having a cloned heart for when mine wears out, but I
would not be willing to take it from anyone without permission.


You won't need one, because you're currently pretty heartless.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."



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