Sailing in a fleet
 

Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.

Sailing in a fleet
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.


Good one! must have been amusing.

What kind of boat?

Sailing in a fleet
 

Bart,
Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing single-handed
but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few hundred
yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You need
some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and it's on
his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to raft
over to him? Under any circumstances?
It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if ocean
sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
Scout


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.

Sailing in a fleet
 

Certainly Scout... I've done it myself in open water. Mind you I had a high
speed inflatable to make the passage and eased the sails to reduce speed.

Have you ever sailed an "Articulated Schooner"..... it's what we call it
when you arrange to tow another boat behind you [upwind only] ... both
vessels under canvas, no aux... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to be
just slightly slower. You do have to board and trim on tacks but the effect
is eye catching! Best we've done is 3 boats...

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
| Bart,
| Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing single-handed
| but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few hundred
| yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
| some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and it's
on
| his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
| over to him? Under any circumstances?
| It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if ocean
| sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
| Scout
|
|
| "Bart Senior" wrote in message
| t...
| Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?
|
| On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
| haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
| while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
| how long before they noticed no one was
| driving.
|
| It took about 3 minutes.
|
|
|
|

Sailing in a fleet
 

wow, that sounds really cool. how far apart are the boats?
does the slower aft boat just act as a drag to keep all in line?
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Certainly Scout... I've done it myself in open water. Mind you I had a
high
speed inflatable to make the passage and eased the sails to reduce speed.

Have you ever sailed an "Articulated Schooner"..... it's what we call it
when you arrange to tow another boat behind you [upwind only] ... both
vessels under canvas, no aux... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to
be
just slightly slower. You do have to board and trim on tacks but the
effect
is eye catching! Best we've done is 3 boats...

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
| Bart,
| Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
single-handed
| but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
hundred
| yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
| some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
it's
on
| his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
| over to him? Under any circumstances?
| It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
ocean
| sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
| Scout
|
|
| "Bart Senior" wrote in message
| t...
| Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?
|
| On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
| haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
| while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
| how long before they noticed no one was
| driving.
|
| It took about 3 minutes.
|
|
|
|

Sailing in a fleet
 

Yup... both or all three vessels are about a foot or two from bowsprit to
stern rail. It works really well... the aft boat needs to be just slower
than the lead vessel. We had everyone from all the vessels in my boat at the
lead for a while... at the tack somebody would go back and trim each boat
then return. You should be able to walk onto each vessel without a problem.
It looks really neat and draws a lot of attention.

I often wondered at the maximum vessels one could chain up like that.

CM

"Scout" wrote in message
...
| wow, that sounds really cool. how far apart are the boats?
| does the slower aft boat just act as a drag to keep all in line?
| Scout
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Certainly Scout... I've done it myself in open water. Mind you I had a
| high
| speed inflatable to make the passage and eased the sails to reduce
speed.
|
| Have you ever sailed an "Articulated Schooner"..... it's what we call
it
| when you arrange to tow another boat behind you [upwind only] ... both
| vessels under canvas, no aux... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel
to
| be
| just slightly slower. You do have to board and trim on tacks but the
| effect
| is eye catching! Best we've done is 3 boats...
|
| CM
|
|
| "Scout" wrote in message
| ...
| | Bart,
| | Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
| single-handed
| | but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
| hundred
| | yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
| need
| | some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
| it's
| on
| | his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
| raft
| | over to him? Under any circumstances?
| | It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
| ocean
| | sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
| | Scout
| |
| |
| | "Bart Senior" wrote in message
| | t...
| | Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?
| |
| | On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
| | haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
| | while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
| | how long before they noticed no one was
| | driving.
| |
| | It took about 3 minutes.
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Sailing in a fleet
 

If you can get enough, we could walk to Hawaii!
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Yup... both or all three vessels are about a foot or two from bowsprit to
stern rail. It works really well... the aft boat needs to be just slower
than the lead vessel. We had everyone from all the vessels in my boat at
the
lead for a while... at the tack somebody would go back and trim each boat
then return. You should be able to walk onto each vessel without a
problem.
It looks really neat and draws a lot of attention.

I often wondered at the maximum vessels one could chain up like that.

CM

"Scout" wrote in message
...
| wow, that sounds really cool. how far apart are the boats?
| does the slower aft boat just act as a drag to keep all in line?
| Scout
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Certainly Scout... I've done it myself in open water. Mind you I had a
| high
| speed inflatable to make the passage and eased the sails to reduce
speed.
|
| Have you ever sailed an "Articulated Schooner"..... it's what we call
it
| when you arrange to tow another boat behind you [upwind only] ... both
| vessels under canvas, no aux... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel
to
| be
| just slightly slower. You do have to board and trim on tacks but the
| effect
| is eye catching! Best we've done is 3 boats...
|
| CM
|
|
| "Scout" wrote in message
| ...
| | Bart,
| | Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
| single-handed
| | but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
| hundred
| | yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles.
You
| need
| | some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
| it's
| on
| | his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat
to
| raft
| | over to him? Under any circumstances?
| | It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
| ocean
| | sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
| | Scout
| |
| |
| | "Bart Senior" wrote in message
| | t...
| | Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?
| |
| | On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
| | haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
| | while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
| | how long before they noticed no one was
| | driving.
| |
| | It took about 3 minutes.
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Sailing in a fleet
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote ...

... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to be
just slightly slower.

Or in the case of Overpoof, trim for top speed.

SV

Sailing in a fleet
 

Any time I sail in a group of boats I'm tempted to
do this sort of non-verbal communication with other
boats.

It was fun to goof on people on my own boat, and then on
one of the other boats. Our boat was a Pearson 37, as
were three other boats in the fleet.

The P-37 is about the nicest boat I've sailed in that size
range. It was also big enough that when the kids were
all up on the bow and distracted I could set the whole
thing up with the other adult on the boat.

By they way, we hit 7.5 knots in about 10 knots of breeze
close reaching with the big genoa. Not bad for a 30.5'
waterline.

http://www.practical-sailor.com/sample/boatreview1.html


FreeFloat wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote

Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.

Good one! must have been amusing.

What kind of boat?

Sailing in a fleet
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
|
| ... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to be
| just slightly slower.
|
| Or in the case of Overpoof, trim for top speed.

Oh Yeah.... Sail on up Here Scotty! We'll race for beers!

CM

Sailing in a fleet
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
|
| ... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to be
| just slightly slower.
|
| Or in the case of Overpoof, trim for top speed.

Oh Yeah.... Sail on up Here Scotty! We'll race for beers!

Don't have a passport.

Carry too many guns.

Have to work.

Lisa won't let me.

Too frickin cold up thar.

Can't legaly leave the US.

Don't drink beer.


pick one, any one,
Scotty

Sailing in a fleet
 

I would tell the other boat to heave-to and I'd
do a mooring shoot on his stern and direct him to
toss any tool into the cockpit as I passed by and
bore away to heave-to on the other tack while I
grabbed whatever it was.

It does matter what it was you want to pass over.
If it was a beer, I'd want more than one, and I'd be
careful to not bust any cans open.

Also, I would not leave my boat unless it was for
an emergency to help the other guy. That is not to
say you can't.

When I anchored a few days ago. Everyone went
swimming but me. I knew someone had to stay on
board to help the others back on. It was very hard
getting the other adult back aboard. And even with two
of us, it was not easy to get a few of the kids back on
board.

Generally, I'm ultra cautious on the ocean, because any
sort of injury can have grave consequences. I've never
sailed solo on the ocean. I have sailed solo in rough
coastal conditions. It makes you think about all the
things that can go wrong.

Sailing solo with a fleet makes sense from a safety standpoint.
The best reason to sail in a fleet is to take turns keeping watch.
Set the squelch up with the volume high on your radio's and
each boat can wake up the others to avoid to collisions and
stay in contact.

Scout wrote

Bart,
Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing single-handed
but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few hundred
yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and it's
on
his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
over to him? Under any circumstances?
It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if ocean
sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
Scout

"Bart Senior" wrote

Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.[for anyone to notice]

Sailing in a fleet
 

Now that is interesting. I'd like to try it.

Capt. Mooron wrote

Certainly Scout... I've done it myself in open water. Mind you I had a
high
speed inflatable to make the passage and eased the sails to reduce speed.

Have you ever sailed an "Articulated Schooner"..... it's what we call it
when you arrange to tow another boat behind you [upwind only] ... both
vessels under canvas, no aux... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to
be
just slightly slower. You do have to board and trim on tacks but the
effect
is eye catching! Best we've done is 3 boats...

"Scout" wrote
| Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
single-handed
| but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
hundred
| yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
| some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
it's
on
| his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
| over to him? Under any circumstances?
| It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
ocean
| sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
|
| "Bart Senior" wrote
| Anyone ever sailed in a fleet of boats?
|
| On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
| haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
| while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
| how long before they noticed no one was
| driving.

Sailing in a fleet
 

Ok thanks.
I'm sure lots of things can go wrong. I watched the Sir Ernest Shackleton
special a few nights ago. They left their boat unattended and it sank; I
guess the rules change when the ocean becomes solid ice.
Scout

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
I would tell the other boat to heave-to and I'd
do a mooring shoot on his stern and direct him to
toss any tool into the cockpit as I passed by and
bore away to heave-to on the other tack while I
grabbed whatever it was.

It does matter what it was you want to pass over.
If it was a beer, I'd want more than one, and I'd be
careful to not bust any cans open.

Also, I would not leave my boat unless it was for
an emergency to help the other guy. That is not to
say you can't.

When I anchored a few days ago. Everyone went
swimming but me. I knew someone had to stay on
board to help the others back on. It was very hard
getting the other adult back aboard. And even with two
of us, it was not easy to get a few of the kids back on
board.

Generally, I'm ultra cautious on the ocean, because any
sort of injury can have grave consequences. I've never
sailed solo on the ocean. I have sailed solo in rough
coastal conditions. It makes you think about all the
things that can go wrong.

Sailing solo with a fleet makes sense from a safety standpoint.
The best reason to sail in a fleet is to take turns keeping watch.
Set the squelch up with the volume high on your radio's and
each boat can wake up the others to avoid to collisions and
stay in contact.

Scout wrote

Bart,
Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
single-handed
but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
hundred
yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
it's
on
his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
over to him? Under any circumstances?
It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
ocean
sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
Scout

"Bart Senior" wrote

Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.[for anyone to notice]

Sailing in a fleet
 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/shackletonexped/

Sailing in a fleet
 

Are you on parole?

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
|
| ... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to be
| just slightly slower.
|
| Or in the case of Overpoof, trim for top speed.

Oh Yeah.... Sail on up Here Scotty! We'll race for beers!

Don't have a passport.

Carry too many guns.

Have to work.

Lisa won't let me.

Too frickin cold up thar.

Can't legaly leave the US.

Don't drink beer.


pick one, any one,
Scotty

Sailing in a fleet
 

I've handed stuff back and forth this way, but we couldn't sustain it for
long. Always afraid that we'd touch or crunch someone. Also only tried it in
light, steady conditions.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Certainly Scout... I've done it myself in open water. Mind you I had a
high
speed inflatable to make the passage and eased the sails to reduce speed.

Have you ever sailed an "Articulated Schooner"..... it's what we call it
when you arrange to tow another boat behind you [upwind only] ... both
vessels under canvas, no aux... and you'll want to trim the aft vessel to
be
just slightly slower. You do have to board and trim on tacks but the
effect
is eye catching! Best we've done is 3 boats...

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
| Bart,
| Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
single-handed
| but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
hundred
| yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
| some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
it's
on
| his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
| over to him? Under any circumstances?
| It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
ocean
| sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
| Scout
|
|
| "Bart Senior" wrote in message
| t...
| Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?
|
| On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
| haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
| while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
| how long before they noticed no one was
| driving.
|
| It took about 3 minutes.
|
|
|
|

Sailing in a fleet
 

We always had at least one person stay on the boat when we stopped for a
swim while travelling down the coast. But, getting back on was easy, despite
the high freeboard. The boat was rolling back and forth on its beam, so
you'd just wait until one of the rails came down, then grab and hold. It
would lift you right up, then you'd step over the lifelines and you were
back in. We also trailed a line when people were swimming, since we were
still moving at a knot or two.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
I would tell the other boat to heave-to and I'd
do a mooring shoot on his stern and direct him to
toss any tool into the cockpit as I passed by and
bore away to heave-to on the other tack while I
grabbed whatever it was.

It does matter what it was you want to pass over.
If it was a beer, I'd want more than one, and I'd be
careful to not bust any cans open.

Also, I would not leave my boat unless it was for
an emergency to help the other guy. That is not to
say you can't.

When I anchored a few days ago. Everyone went
swimming but me. I knew someone had to stay on
board to help the others back on. It was very hard
getting the other adult back aboard. And even with two
of us, it was not easy to get a few of the kids back on
board.

Generally, I'm ultra cautious on the ocean, because any
sort of injury can have grave consequences. I've never
sailed solo on the ocean. I have sailed solo in rough
coastal conditions. It makes you think about all the
things that can go wrong.

Sailing solo with a fleet makes sense from a safety standpoint.
The best reason to sail in a fleet is to take turns keeping watch.
Set the squelch up with the volume high on your radio's and
each boat can wake up the others to avoid to collisions and
stay in contact.

Scout wrote

Bart,
Ok, so you're sailing offshore, way offshore. You're sailing
single-handed
but with another boat doing the same; your friend's boat is a few
hundred
yards away. There are no other boats around for at least 50 miles. You
need
some item (e.g., a cold beer or a torque wrench, doesn't matter) and
it's
on
his boat. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to
raft
over to him? Under any circumstances?
It's a purely theoretical in the places I sail, but I'm wondering if
ocean
sailors ever leave their boat to autopilot.
Scout

"Bart Senior" wrote

Anyone every sailed in a fleet of boats?

On Thursday, I balanced the boat on a close
haul and snuck up on the kids sitting in the bow
while the boat steered itself, and waited to see
how long before they noticed no one was
driving.

It took about 3 minutes.[for anyone to notice]

Sailing in a fleet
 

CM,

By all that's Holy, why would anybody in their right mind, with their
senses about them want to drag a un-maned vessel with its' sail set? For
what purpose?

I can think of nothing but expense damage and not one advantage!

How much "Overproof" was involved in that stupid idea?

Ole Thom

Sailing in a fleet
 

Bart,

I do believe that if you went to any YC on a Wednesday Nite you would
see many,many people sailing in fleets.

Ole Thom

Sailing in a fleet
 

Bart Senior wrote:
I would tell the other boat to heave-to and I'd
do a mooring shoot on his stern and direct him to
toss any tool into the cockpit as I passed by and
bore away to heave-to on the other tack while I
grabbed whatever it was.

Why not throw a line between the two boats and pass the item over in a
similar manner to using a breeches buoy? That way, nobody leaves their boat.


--
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www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Sailing in a fleet
 

.. How do you get the item? Would you ever abandon your boat to raft
over to him? Under any circumstances?

We've sailed in fleet before....everyone has their radios tuned to the same
channel and converses back and forth... when someone wants a beer from
another boat they radio to slow down, speed up, whatever and then there's a
hand-off or a toss....and auto-helm is used but noone ever leaves a boat
unattended piloted by a machine (at least I would hope not)

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Sailing in a fleet
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Are you on parole?


not exactly.

SV

Sailing in a fleet
 

Try it, and then try my way, and then tell me which is better.

By the way, with my method you can pass a crew over by
stepping from the stern of one boat onto the other, and then
back again.

Wally wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
I would tell the other boat to heave-to and I'd
do a mooring shoot on his stern and direct him to
toss any tool into the cockpit as I passed by and
bore away to heave-to on the other tack while I
grabbed whatever it was.

Why not throw a line between the two boats and pass the item over in a
similar manner to using a breeches buoy? That way, nobody leaves their
boat.
--
Wally

Sailing in a fleet
 

Wally,

I've used a Ditty bag with a can of beer for weight on the end of a poly
1/4" line (Crab Pot line) to get a stuffing box wrench.
He kept the beer and I pulled the wrench in.

The return was done back at the Marina the next day

Ole Thom

Sailing in a fleet
 

Several bottles... but the system worked flawlessly. I've done it several
times. It's amazing. ;-)

CM
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
| CM,
|
| By all that's Holy, why would anybody in their right mind, with their
| senses about them want to drag a un-maned vessel with its' sail set? For
| what purpose?
|
| I can think of nothing but expense damage and not one advantage!
|
| How much "Overproof" was involved in that stupid idea?
|
| Ole Thom
|

Sailing in a fleet
 

How much separation between boats?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

Several bottles... but the system worked flawlessly. I've done it several
times. It's amazing. ;-)

CM
"Thom Stewart" wrote

| CM,
|
| By all that's Holy, why would anybody in their right mind, with their
| senses about them want to drag a un-maned vessel with its' sail set? For
| what purpose?
|
| I can think of nothing but expense damage and not one advantage!
|
| How much "Overproof" was involved in that stupid idea?
|
| Ole Thom
|