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Jesse Jackson's latest blunder
Jesse Jackson accused the Republican Party, conservatives and
the retailer Wal-Mart of attempting to "push the ideology of the Confederacy" in America. http://www.townhall.com/news/politic...0040630b.shtml 'I didn't hear that' said Dick Gephardt. Jackson made the Confederacy remarks from the podium he shared with U.S. Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.) Hey Dick? Why are you acting deaf? If a white man made a comment like this it would be the end of him. It's time for Jesse Jackson to retire. He is a stupid idiot. His Alzheimers is out of control. |
Jesse Jackson's latest blunder
No. He has a political agenda. So does Gephardt, so does Bu****, so
does Kerry, do does MM. Shall we condemn everyone who has an agenda? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message . net... Jesse Jackson accused the Republican Party, conservatives and the retailer Wal-Mart of attempting to "push the ideology of the Confederacy" in America. http://www.townhall.com/news/politic...0040630b.shtml 'I didn't hear that' said Dick Gephardt. Jackson made the Confederacy remarks from the podium he shared with U.S. Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.) Hey Dick? Why are you acting deaf? If a white man made a comment like this it would be the end of him. It's time for Jesse Jackson to retire. He is a stupid idiot. His Alzheimers is out of control. |
Jesse Jackson's latest blunder
Its not an agenda! It an example of crying wolf too many times.
it is an example of the welfare mentality, thinking they deserve more for doing less. Jackson can't even read and write. Listen to him talk. Jesse Jackson is a mena person. Otherwise, he;'d give some of his millions to help the poor. No he keeps all his graft because he is a liar, with reprehesible morals, and no judgement--but he brings in the black voters. He is a POS. It is bull**** taken to it's lowest level. Only stupid people would believe it. Jackson seems to have a low opinion of his own people, since the comment is pointedly racist and without any substance. If it has substance, would not Gephardt endorse that comment, instead of playing deaf? Obviously DICK Gephardt, wants to keep his distance from this ridiculous nonsense. Do you think any other Democrats would endorse his comment? No! That is extremism! Isn't it about time the Democrats started acting like adults, and policed their own party to eliminate the lies and distortions whose only purpose is to sway emotions? There are reasonable issues that are lost in the middle of all this extremism. The Dem's need a black leader that has intelligence, common sense, and and understanding of cause and effect. Someone like Colin Powell! There is a role model for people of any race. And of course being an intelligent man, he is a Republican! So that realy means the Democrats are screwed. They can only have stupid people, sell out's, or crooks running in their party. Jonathan Ganz wrote No. He has a political agenda. So does Gephardt, so does Bu****, so does Kerry, do does MM. Shall we condemn everyone who has an agenda? "Bart Senior" wrote Jesse Jackson accused the Republican Party, conservatives and the retailer Wal-Mart of attempting to "push the ideology of the Confederacy" in America. http://www.townhall.com/news/politic...0040630b.shtml 'I didn't hear that' said Dick Gephardt. Jackson made the Confederacy remarks from the podium he shared with U.S. Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.) Hey Dick? Why are you acting deaf? If a white man made a comment like this it would be the end of him. It's time for Jesse Jackson to retire. He is a stupid idiot. His Alzheimers is out of control. |
Jesse Jackson's latest blunder
The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting
work, but because of terrible circumstances not being able to get or hold a job. The vast majority of welfare recipients don't want to be on welfare. There are always a few that exploit the system, just like there are few employees who steal, lie, and cheat. A great example is Enron. The vast majority were totally honest and hardworking. Only a dozen or so were liars and cheats. As soon as you make a generalization, you're treading on thin ice. Jackson has his own agenda and he's not that bright. It's a bad combination. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message . net... Its not an agenda! It an example of crying wolf too many times. it is an example of the welfare mentality, thinking they deserve more for doing less. Jackson can't even read and write. Listen to him talk. Jesse Jackson is a mena person. Otherwise, he;'d give some of his millions to help the poor. No he keeps all his graft because he is a liar, with reprehesible morals, and no judgement--but he brings in the black voters. He is a POS. It is bull**** taken to it's lowest level. Only stupid people would believe it. Jackson seems to have a low opinion of his own people, since the comment is pointedly racist and without any substance. If it has substance, would not Gephardt endorse that comment, instead of playing deaf? Obviously DICK Gephardt, wants to keep his distance from this ridiculous nonsense. Do you think any other Democrats would endorse his comment? No! That is extremism! Isn't it about time the Democrats started acting like adults, and policed their own party to eliminate the lies and distortions whose only purpose is to sway emotions? There are reasonable issues that are lost in the middle of all this extremism. The Dem's need a black leader that has intelligence, common sense, and and understanding of cause and effect. Someone like Colin Powell! There is a role model for people of any race. And of course being an intelligent man, he is a Republican! So that realy means the Democrats are screwed. They can only have stupid people, sell out's, or crooks running in their party. Jonathan Ganz wrote No. He has a political agenda. So does Gephardt, so does Bu****, so does Kerry, do does MM. Shall we condemn everyone who has an agenda? "Bart Senior" wrote Jesse Jackson accused the Republican Party, conservatives and the retailer Wal-Mart of attempting to "push the ideology of the Confederacy" in America. http://www.townhall.com/news/politic...0040630b.shtml 'I didn't hear that' said Dick Gephardt. Jackson made the Confederacy remarks from the podium he shared with U.S. Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.) Hey Dick? Why are you acting deaf? If a white man made a comment like this it would be the end of him. It's time for Jesse Jackson to retire. He is a stupid idiot. His Alzheimers is out of control. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting work, but ..... Bwahahahaha! Ronnie Reagan thot the same thing when he was elected governor of Ca on a promise to reduce welfare rolls. He promptly ended the Bracero Program that imported 1000s of Mexicans to labor in Ca, thus keeping those jobs for Americans. But American welfare recipients thot themselves too good to do "stoop labor"! The only willing workers were *college students*! With farmers loosing crop after crop, Reagan decreed that any able bodied person who refused work would be stripped of welfare benefits. But the welfare freaks sued, had a bunch shrinks testify that laziness was a debilitating mental disease that precluded a lazy person from working. The (lazy?) judge ruled that lazy people should get disability payments vs welfare, thus allowing Ronnie to keep his promise (c: |
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Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Vito" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting work, but ..... Bwahahahaha! Ronnie Reagan thot the same thing when he was elected governor of Ca on a promise to reduce welfare rolls. He promptly ended the Bracero Program that imported 1000s of Mexicans to labor in Ca, thus keeping those jobs for Americans. But American welfare recipients thot themselves too good to do "stoop labor"! The only willing workers were *college students*! With farmers loosing crop after crop, Reagan decreed that any able bodied person who refused work would be stripped of welfare benefits. But the welfare freaks sued, had a bunch shrinks testify that laziness was a debilitating mental disease that precluded a lazy person from working. The (lazy?) judge ruled that lazy people should get disability payments vs welfare, thus allowing Ronnie to keep his promise (c: |
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:54:20 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote:
The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting work, but because of terrible circumstances not being able to get or hold a job. The vast majority of welfare recipients don't want to be on welfare. Not true. Just look who are the largest welfare recipients: http://www.ctj.org/html/corp0402.htm http://www.ctj.org/html/hidenpr.htm |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. not in your circle jerk of 'friends'. It's a dangerous, dirty job. Worse than flipping burgers? |
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Such vile. You need to mellow out.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. not in your circle jerk of 'friends'. It's a dangerous, dirty job. Worse than flipping burgers? |
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Good one!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:54:20 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote: The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting work, but because of terrible circumstances not being able to get or hold a job. The vast majority of welfare recipients don't want to be on welfare. Not true. Just look who are the largest welfare recipients: http://www.ctj.org/html/corp0402.htm http://www.ctj.org/html/hidenpr.htm |
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Scott Vernon wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. not in your circle jerk of 'friends'. This is beneath you Scott, leave such gutter drivel to Boobsy and his ilk. Cheers Marty It's a dangerous, dirty job. Worse than flipping burgers? |
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Civil War II ?
They intend to push the ideology of the Confederacy and continue to challenge the vision of the Union," Jackson told conference delegates on Monday. "In this competing vision of America, we choose the Union over the Confederacy. We chose a simple but comprehensive plan to make America a more perfect union," Jackson added. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. Wanna bet? You otta see all the mexicans here working ranches and farms. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. Well Johnathan it work, not a friggin handout, to bad if its dirty and dangerious. IMO anyone that want a job in the USA today can get one, it may not be a CEO CFO or R&D position but they can find a J O B . In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. But some lazy bums say things like " don't want to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous," I rather shovel cow manure than take welfare even with a sharp shovel that might be dangerious. Joe Pitched hay with the best of em dirty job. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Vito" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting work, but ..... Bwahahahaha! Ronnie Reagan thot the same thing when he was elected governor of Ca on a promise to reduce welfare rolls. He promptly ended the Bracero Program that imported 1000s of Mexicans to labor in Ca, thus keeping those jobs for Americans. But American welfare recipients thot themselves too good to do "stoop labor"! The only willing workers were *college students*! With farmers loosing crop after crop, Reagan decreed that any able bodied person who refused work would be stripped of welfare benefits. But the welfare freaks sued, had a bunch shrinks testify that laziness was a debilitating mental disease that precluded a lazy person from working. The (lazy?) judge ruled that lazy people should get disability payments vs welfare, thus allowing Ronnie to keep his promise (c: |
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When do I get my check Jon? I take handouts from liberals who
increase my taxes. Jonathan Ganz wrote Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. "Vito" wrote in message "Jonathan Ganz" wrote The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting work, but ..... Bwahahahaha! Ronnie Reagan thot the same thing when he was elected governor of Ca on a promise to reduce welfare rolls. He promptly ended the Bracero Program that imported 1000s of Mexicans to labor in Ca, thus keeping those jobs for Americans. But American welfare recipients thot themselves too good to do "stoop labor"! The only willing workers were *college students*! With farmers loosing crop after crop, Reagan decreed that any able bodied person who refused work would be stripped of welfare benefits. But the welfare freaks sued, had a bunch shrinks testify that laziness was a debilitating mental disease that precluded a lazy person from working. The (lazy?) judge ruled that lazy people should get disability payments vs welfare, thus allowing Ronnie to keep his promise (c: |
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You would do it if you wanted to eat. Why should any healthy
person who can work get a free ride? A day in the fields is great motivation to learn to read and write so you can get a better job. A free paycheck means you have no motivation to learn and get a better job. Jonathan Ganz wrote Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. |
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In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote: Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported by the taxpayers until they can. You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-) When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't relevant if you can't get another one. PDW |
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So did I but you can't really expect someone who was employed for
30 years as a master machinest to take a farm laborer or burger flipping job. They're probably not physically capable of the former, nor hireable as the latter. Most people want to work, even kids in the innercity ghettos. There is no work for them either, not even in Burger King. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported by the taxpayers until they can. You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-) When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't relevant if you can't get another one. PDW |
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Nothing wrongwith sandblasting steel on a hot day. If you are willing to
work. And it pays well too! The first year it's $40-50,000 After one year it's $60,000 to $80,000 a year or more and you pay for zero food, lodging or medical. On the ship's it's a common task. You use chipping and scaling hammers (elbow greae powered), needle guns and chisel guns (air powered) and occasionally bead blasters (electric powered). Then you have to primer, and paint. But you have to be willing to work. For the last few years there's been a lack of people in my industry to do the work. Especially in MSC. Moe, Shep, and Curly pay well too and pay you while you are training and while you are on vacation. But you have to be willing to work. That's just one, JUST ONE, of the skills you learn in this job. If nothing else you come out of it as a highly skilled fork lift driver, or a trained and trainable crane operator or . . . . . .and that's just deck department. Even moreskills in the engine department. But you have to be willing to work. . Trouble is, in the US there's a seeming lack of people willing to work. Must be. A lot of our positions, including working for MSC directly, a government agency, are being filled by people from the Phillipines, a foreign country, as well as from places like Guam, a US territory. So if things are so bad, how come we're always shorthanded in our industy?????????????? Oh yes .. .it's that little bitty small problem ... . you have to be willing to work. It's hard chipping rust in the hot sun but tell me this. IF I can do at age 59 . . .....what's your excuse? Sincerely, Able Bodied Seaman Michael PS . . .My job's coming open soon. I'm going back to retirement (and sailing under my license, by the way). Quick, call Manila and have them send over a replacement. No one here wants the job. |
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In that specific case I'd agree with you. However I've seen Anglo Americans begging for change outside shops with 'help wanted' ads in the window, and all minimum wage service positions seemed to be held by Hispanics. Anyone physically capable who won't take a job because it's beneath them has abrogated any claim to public support IMO. First you get a job, any job, then you chase your aspirations. A boring dirty job is a wonderful incentive to get your ass into gear. Bit late in replying but I've been playing with big ships. PDW In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: So did I but you can't really expect someone who was employed for 30 years as a master machinest to take a farm laborer or burger flipping job. They're probably not physically capable of the former, nor hireable as the latter. Most people want to work, even kids in the innercity ghettos. There is no work for them either, not even in Burger King. "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported by the taxpayers until they can. You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-) When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't relevant if you can't get another one. PDW |
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I agree also, but keep in mind that a single mother who takes a minimum
wage job with no health benefits, who possibly has to travel a long distance to get to the job, isn't going to be able to take care of her kids. Who is? There's not much of a safety net in place, and thus we have welfare, etc. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In that specific case I'd agree with you. However I've seen Anglo Americans begging for change outside shops with 'help wanted' ads in the window, and all minimum wage service positions seemed to be held by Hispanics. Anyone physically capable who won't take a job because it's beneath them has abrogated any claim to public support IMO. First you get a job, any job, then you chase your aspirations. A boring dirty job is a wonderful incentive to get your ass into gear. Bit late in replying but I've been playing with big ships. PDW In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: So did I but you can't really expect someone who was employed for 30 years as a master machinest to take a farm laborer or burger flipping job. They're probably not physically capable of the former, nor hireable as the latter. Most people want to work, even kids in the innercity ghettos. There is no work for them either, not even in Burger King. "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous, dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts. Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported by the taxpayers until they can. You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-) When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't relevant if you can't get another one. PDW |
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And from there the law of unintended consequences takes over, big-time. I don't have any good answers. Paying welfare is better than letting people starve if they can't find work. Paying welfare to a single mother is also fine for the first child, provided the mother is under the age of adulthood. What happens if the single mother decides to have another child? Soon, for a minority of people, you're in the business of providing income for people to have babies. That might not be so bad, considering the general decline in fertility in the Western world, if those kids actually grew up to go to school, learn useful things and then get a job. I think we've seen after 30+ years of welfare that this doesn't happen in practice, in the majority of cases. There are a lot of issues WRT single parents on low incomes. Adopting the kids out was one solution. Caused other problems - hence law of unanticipated consequences. Orphanages - ditto. Bit different here. Everyone has access to reasonable health care so that's not such an issue (provided you're not in the outback somewhere). Childcare is an issue. The real answer is for women not to get pregnant until they can support a child, whether this is on their own resources or in a partnership/extended family. Easy to say....... Meanwhile, healthy teenagers and 20-somethings who aspire to positions beyond their education, training and intelligence should get a grip on reality and start digging potatos or sandblasting rusty steel on a hot, humid day. PDW In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: I agree also, but keep in mind that a single mother who takes a minimum wage job with no health benefits, who possibly has to travel a long distance to get to the job, isn't going to be able to take care of her kids. Who is? There's not much of a safety net in place, and thus we have welfare, etc. |
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Yeah, it's a tough problem with no easy solution. It's really sad to
see some of the kids from that sort of situation. I'm part of non-profit that attempts to give them some self-worth, which I guess is better than nothing. We sponsor a few kids each year for sailing lessons... we cover the expense and have been able to get a local gourmet restaurant to kick in lunch. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. And from there the law of unintended consequences takes over, big-time. I don't have any good answers. Paying welfare is better than letting people starve if they can't find work. Paying welfare to a single mother is also fine for the first child, provided the mother is under the age of adulthood. What happens if the single mother decides to have another child? Soon, for a minority of people, you're in the business of providing income for people to have babies. That might not be so bad, considering the general decline in fertility in the Western world, if those kids actually grew up to go to school, learn useful things and then get a job. I think we've seen after 30+ years of welfare that this doesn't happen in practice, in the majority of cases. There are a lot of issues WRT single parents on low incomes. Adopting the kids out was one solution. Caused other problems - hence law of unanticipated consequences. Orphanages - ditto. Bit different here. Everyone has access to reasonable health care so that's not such an issue (provided you're not in the outback somewhere). Childcare is an issue. The real answer is for women not to get pregnant until they can support a child, whether this is on their own resources or in a partnership/extended family. Easy to say....... Meanwhile, healthy teenagers and 20-somethings who aspire to positions beyond their education, training and intelligence should get a grip on reality and start digging potatos or sandblasting rusty steel on a hot, humid day. PDW In article , Jonathan Ganz wrote: I agree also, but keep in mind that a single mother who takes a minimum wage job with no health benefits, who possibly has to travel a long distance to get to the job, isn't going to be able to take care of her kids. Who is? There's not much of a safety net in place, and thus we have welfare, etc. |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:25:21 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Yeah, it's a tough problem with no easy solution. It's really sad to see some of the kids from that sort of situation. I'm part of non-profit that attempts to give them some self-worth, which I guess is better than nothing. We sponsor a few kids each year for sailing lessons... we cover the expense and have been able to get a local gourmet restaurant to kick in lunch. It's just your way of meeting little boys. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Yeah, it's a tough problem with no easy solution. It's really sad to see *some* of the kids from that sort of situation. You might have said *the vast majority* rather than *some.* I'm part of non-profit that attempts to give them some self-worth, which I guess is better than nothing. We sponsor a few kids each year for sailing lessons... we cover the expense and have been able to get a local gourmet restaurant to kick in lunch. A friend and I founded a program here to enable such kids to have pets--those that the Pet Refuge take in and attempt to place in homes. We gave the kids classes on caring for their pets (mostly cats and dogs), provided them with all the animal food and pet supplies they need, and we had two veterinarians who cared for their pets gratis. Our members monitored the kids and their pets regularly, and maintained a 24/7 "hotline" for problems. I had to leave the program after 15 years due to time constraints, but it thrives today in good hands. Studies have shown that pets instill a sense of responsibility in kids. They've also demonstrated that kids with pets tend to be less violent, kinder to their peers. Yes, there have been some dismal failures, but the program has had a substantial net profit on the humanity income statement. Max |
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"Michael" wrote
.. . you have to be willing to work. It's hard chipping rust in the hot sun but tell me this. IF I can do at age 59 . . .....what's your excuse? Too old (66)? Too out of shape from flying a desk the last 20 years? |
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Something you have a lot of experience with, apparently.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:25:21 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Yeah, it's a tough problem with no easy solution. It's really sad to see some of the kids from that sort of situation. I'm part of non-profit that attempts to give them some self-worth, which I guess is better than nothing. We sponsor a few kids each year for sailing lessons... we cover the expense and have been able to get a local gourmet restaurant to kick in lunch. It's just your way of meeting little boys. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Horass is gay. That's his excuse.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Michael" wrote in message ... Nothing wrongwith sandblasting steel on a hot day. If you are willing to work. And it pays well too! The first year it's $40-50,000 After one year it's $60,000 to $80,000 a year or more and you pay for zero food, lodging or medical. On the ship's it's a common task. You use chipping and scaling hammers (elbow greae powered), needle guns and chisel guns (air powered) and occasionally bead blasters (electric powered). Then you have to primer, and paint. But you have to be willing to work. For the last few years there's been a lack of people in my industry to do the work. Especially in MSC. Moe, Shep, and Curly pay well too and pay you while you are training and while you are on vacation. But you have to be willing to work. That's just one, JUST ONE, of the skills you learn in this job. If nothing else you come out of it as a highly skilled fork lift driver, or a trained and trainable crane operator or . . . . . .and that's just deck department. Even moreskills in the engine department. But you have to be willing to work. . Trouble is, in the US there's a seeming lack of people willing to work. Must be. A lot of our positions, including working for MSC directly, a government agency, are being filled by people from the Phillipines, a foreign country, as well as from places like Guam, a US territory. So if things are so bad, how come we're always shorthanded in our industy?????????????? Oh yes .. .it's that little bitty small problem .. . you have to be willing to work. It's hard chipping rust in the hot sun but tell me this. IF I can do at age 59 . . .....what's your excuse? Sincerely, Able Bodied Seaman Michael PS . . .My job's coming open soon. I'm going back to retirement (and sailing under my license, by the way). Quick, call Manila and have them send over a replacement. No one here wants the job. |
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I said "some" because we only see some of them.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Yeah, it's a tough problem with no easy solution. It's really sad to see *some* of the kids from that sort of situation. You might have said *the vast majority* rather than *some.* I'm part of non-profit that attempts to give them some self-worth, which I guess is better than nothing. We sponsor a few kids each year for sailing lessons... we cover the expense and have been able to get a local gourmet restaurant to kick in lunch. A friend and I founded a program here to enable such kids to have pets--those that the Pet Refuge take in and attempt to place in homes. We gave the kids classes on caring for their pets (mostly cats and dogs), provided them with all the animal food and pet supplies they need, and we had two veterinarians who cared for their pets gratis. Our members monitored the kids and their pets regularly, and maintained a 24/7 "hotline" for problems. I had to leave the program after 15 years due to time constraints, but it thrives today in good hands. Studies have shown that pets instill a sense of responsibility in kids. They've also demonstrated that kids with pets tend to be less violent, kinder to their peers. Yes, there have been some dismal failures, but the program has had a substantial net profit on the humanity income statement. Max |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:51:49 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap: A friend and I founded a program here to enable such kids to have pets--those that the Pet Refuge take in and attempt to place in homes. We gave the kids classes on caring for their pets (mostly cats and dogs), provided them with all the animal food and pet supplies they need, and we had two veterinarians who cared for their pets gratis. Our members monitored the kids and their pets regularly, and maintained a 24/7 "hotline" for problems. I had to leave the program after 15 years due to time constraints, but it thrives today in good hands. It's just your way of meeting little boys. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Jesse Jackson's latest blunder
In article , Michael wrote:
Nothing wrongwith sandblasting steel on a hot day. If you are willing to work. And it pays well too! The first year it's $40-50,000 After one year it's $60,000 to $80,000 a year or more and you pay for zero food, lodging or medical. On the ship's it's a common task. You use chipping and scaling hammers (elbow greae powered), needle guns and chisel guns (air powered) and occasionally bead blasters (electric powered). Then you have to primer, and paint. But you have to be willing to work. For the last few years there's been a lack of people in my industry to do the work. Especially in MSC. Moe, Shep, and Curly pay well too and pay you while you are training and while you are on vacation. But you have to be willing to work. That's just one, JUST ONE, of the skills you learn in this job. If nothing else you come out of it as a highly skilled fork lift driver, or a trained and trainable crane operator or . . . . . .and that's just deck department. Even moreskills in the engine department. But you have to be willing to work. . Trouble is, in the US there's a seeming lack of people willing to work. Must be. A lot of our positions, including working for MSC directly, a government agency, are being filled by people from the Phillipines, a foreign country, as well as from places like Guam, a US territory. So if things are so bad, how come we're always shorthanded in our industy?????????????? Oh yes .. .it's that little bitty small problem .. . you have to be willing to work. It's hard chipping rust in the hot sun but tell me this. IF I can do at age 59 . . .....what's your excuse? Don't need one - we do the same sort of stuff. I *never* employ anyone on a permanent basis until they've worked for me on a short term contract and done at least one cruise south. That involves 12 hour shifts from wharf to wharf, working on the ice, on the trawl deck handling heavy cold equipment with water at -1.8C etc etc. I'm 50 and go every year myself. I mentioned sandblasting because I've done it along with a lot of other hard, dirty and hot jobs. Digging holes for fence posts in summer comes to mind - Taddy will know exactly what conditions I'm talking about, as will Joe in Texas. As for Filipino crews I'm not sure if this is due to people not wanting to work or shipping companies wanting to reduce costs. I have this argument with clerks here. For simplicity assume that a clerk works 40 hours/week for 46 weeks ie 1840 hours pa. A person working 12 hour shifts, 7 days/week does this number of hours in 154 days. Therefore, assuming the pay is the same, the seaman should have the rest of the year off on full pay. All this ignores opportunity costs of lost weekends, need to pay other people to do simple jobs, strain on relationships etc etc. Companies and office workers really, in my experience, have difficulty accepting this is valid but never want to argue on the hours worked. I tried it on here for my people who work continuous shifts at sea. Got nowhere. It's easier to employ people from a 3rd World country who'll work all the days there are. Economically, it makes sense. PDW Sincerely, Able Bodied Seaman Michael PS . . .My job's coming open soon. I'm going back to retirement (and sailing under my license, by the way). Quick, call Manila and have them send over a replacement. No one here wants the job. |
Jesse Jackson's latest blunder
Horass' post is definitely the winner of the most homo post of the week
award. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:51:49 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote this crap: A friend and I founded a program here to enable such kids to have pets--those that the Pet Refuge take in and attempt to place in homes. We gave the kids classes on caring for their pets (mostly cats and dogs), provided them with all the animal food and pet supplies they need, and we had two veterinarians who cared for their pets gratis. Our members monitored the kids and their pets regularly, and maintained a 24/7 "hotline" for problems. I had to leave the program after 15 years due to time constraints, but it thrives today in good hands. It's just your way of meeting little boys. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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