Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
I don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer.

not in your circle jerk of 'friends'.

This is beneath you Scott, leave such gutter drivel to Boobsy and his
ilk.

Cheers
Marty

It's a dangerous,
dirty job.

Worse than flipping burgers?

Civil War II ?

They intend to push the ideology of the Confederacy and continue to
challenge the vision of the Union," Jackson told conference delegates on
Monday.


"In this competing vision of America, we choose the Union over the
Confederacy. We chose a simple but comprehensive plan to make America a more
perfect union," Jackson added.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state.

Wanna bet? You otta see all the mexicans here working ranches and
farms.

I don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous,
dirty job.


Well Johnathan it work, not a friggin handout, to bad if its dirty
and dangerious.

IMO anyone that want a job in the USA today can get one, it may not be
a CEO CFO or R&D position but they can find a J O B .


In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.


But some lazy bums say things like " don't want to be a farm laborer.
It's a dangerous,"

I rather shovel cow manure than take welfare even with a sharp shovel
that might be dangerious.

Joe
Pitched hay with the best of em


dirty job.







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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting
work, but .....

Bwahahahaha!

Ronnie Reagan thot the same thing when he was elected governor of Ca on a
promise to reduce welfare rolls. He promptly ended the Bracero Program
that
imported 1000s of Mexicans to labor in Ca, thus keeping those jobs for
Americans. But American welfare recipients thot themselves too good to do
"stoop labor"! The only willing workers were *college students*! With
farmers loosing crop after crop, Reagan decreed that any able bodied
person
who refused work would be stripped of welfare benefits. But the welfare
freaks sued, had a bunch shrinks testify that laziness was a debilitating
mental disease that precluded a lazy person from working. The (lazy?)
judge
ruled that lazy people should get disability payments vs welfare, thus
allowing Ronnie to keep his promise (c:

When do I get my check Jon? I take handouts from liberals who
increase my taxes.

Jonathan Ganz wrote
Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I
don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous,
dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.

"Vito" wrote in message

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
The welfare mentality of which you speak is actually one of wanting
work, but .....

Bwahahahaha!

Ronnie Reagan thot the same thing when he was elected governor of Ca on
a
promise to reduce welfare rolls. He promptly ended the Bracero Program
that
imported 1000s of Mexicans to labor in Ca, thus keeping those jobs for
Americans. But American welfare recipients thot themselves too good to
do
"stoop labor"! The only willing workers were *college students*! With
farmers loosing crop after crop, Reagan decreed that any able bodied
person
who refused work would be stripped of welfare benefits. But the welfare
freaks sued, had a bunch shrinks testify that laziness was a
debilitating
mental disease that precluded a lazy person from working. The (lazy?)
judge
ruled that lazy people should get disability payments vs welfare, thus
allowing Ronnie to keep his promise (c:

You would do it if you wanted to eat. Why should any healthy
person who can work get a free ride?

A day in the fields is great motivation to learn to read and write
so you can get a better job.

A free paycheck means you have no motivation to learn and get a
better job.

Jonathan Ganz wrote
Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I
don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous,
dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.

On 2 Jul 2004 20:17:02 -0700, (Joe) wrote this
crap:



In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.


Try telling that to the liberals.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous,
dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.

Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person
is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station
in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported
by the taxpayers until they can.

You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-)

When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while
looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't
relevant if you can't get another one.

PDW

So did I but you can't really expect someone who was employed for
30 years as a master machinest to take a farm laborer or burger flipping
job. They're probably not physically capable of the former, nor hireable
as the latter.

Most people want to work, even kids in the innercity ghettos. There is
no work for them either, not even in Burger King.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I
don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous,
dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.

Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person
is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station
in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported
by the taxpayers until they can.

You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-)

When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while
looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't
relevant if you can't get another one.

PDW

Nothing wrongwith sandblasting steel on a hot day. If you are willing to
work. And it pays well too! The first year it's $40-50,000 After one year
it's $60,000 to $80,000 a year or more and you pay for zero food, lodging
or medical. On the ship's it's a common task. You use chipping and scaling
hammers (elbow greae powered), needle guns and chisel guns (air powered)
and occasionally bead blasters (electric powered). Then you have to primer,
and paint. But you have to be willing to work. For the last few years
there's been a lack of people in my industry to do the work. Especially in
MSC. Moe, Shep, and Curly pay well too and pay you while you are training
and while you are on vacation. But you have to be willing to work. That's
just one, JUST ONE, of the skills you learn in this job. If nothing else
you come out of it as a highly skilled fork lift driver, or a trained and
trainable crane operator or . . . . . .and that's just deck department.
Even moreskills in the engine department. But you have to be willing to
work. . Trouble is, in the US there's a seeming lack of people willing
to work. Must be. A lot of our positions, including working for MSC
directly, a government agency, are being filled by people from the
Phillipines, a foreign country, as well as from places like Guam, a US
territory. So if things are so bad, how come we're always shorthanded in
our industy?????????????? Oh yes .. .it's that little bitty small problem
... . you have to be willing to work. It's hard chipping rust in the hot sun
but tell me this. IF I can do at age 59 . . .....what's your excuse?

Sincerely,

Able Bodied Seaman Michael

PS . . .My job's coming open soon. I'm going back to retirement (and
sailing under my license, by the way). Quick, call Manila and have them
send over a replacement. No one here wants the job.

In that specific case I'd agree with you. However I've seen Anglo
Americans begging for change outside shops with 'help wanted' ads in
the window, and all minimum wage service positions seemed to be held by
Hispanics.

Anyone physically capable who won't take a job because it's beneath
them has abrogated any claim to public support IMO. First you get a
job, any job, then you chase your aspirations. A boring dirty job is a
wonderful incentive to get your ass into gear.

Bit late in replying but I've been playing with big ships.

PDW

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

So did I but you can't really expect someone who was employed for
30 years as a master machinest to take a farm laborer or burger flipping
job. They're probably not physically capable of the former, nor hireable
as the latter.

Most people want to work, even kids in the innercity ghettos. There is
no work for them either, not even in Burger King.

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

Sorry, but you're talking about a specific case in a specific state. I
don't
know anyone who really wants to be a farm laborer. It's a dangerous,
dirty job. In general, people want to work. They don't want handouts.

Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. What Jon's arguing, in effect, is that a person
is entitled to only work at those jobs that fit their percieved station
in life, and if they can't find one, they're entitled to be supported
by the taxpayers until they can.

You end up with a lot of wannabe lion tamers that way :-)

When I was a *lot* younger I took any job I could get that paid while
looking for a better one. Wanting to do a dirty, tiring job isn't
relevant if you can't get another one.

PDW