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GWB is making hard decisions, and exercising great restraint in dealing
with the present situation. I liken him to Winston Churchill.

GWB is tough enough to realize that something has to be done,
while most leaders have been appeasers. GWB was the man to
bring down the Saddam. I think that was a good choice.

In the past migrations have resulted in genocide. It is happening
again and either one must chose to tolerate it or chose to stop it.

You have to be either for genocide or against it. What is your choice?

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

He was also one tough guy. Reagan-like in some respects. After his
term was over, he was giving a speech, had a heart attack, and downed
his pills without anyone realizing it.

Go read up a bit LBJ, not sure where you're getting these impressions. He
was
a mean & greedy ******* IMHO... he may have been tough (after all he was a
Texan) but not in a way that did the country any good. I'd have no
hesitation
in ranking LBJ as the worst Democrat President of the just-past century.

BTW Bart, I'm curious... are you serious in saying the George Bush Jr is
IYHO
a good President? If so, on what grounds?

DSK

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Yup.

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LBJ was ok except for the VN war. He tried to do the right thing,
but was lead astray by his advisors. He implemented a lot of what
Kennedy just talked about and hadn't been able to do.

And you're positive he did not have Kennedy assassinated?
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Hardly. That's a continuing theme of the conspiracy theory people.
LBJ wasn't that kind of guy.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote
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LBJ was ok except for the VN war. He tried to do the right thing,
but was lead astray by his advisors. He implemented a lot of what
Kennedy just talked about and hadn't been able to do.

LBJ and co. were the ones who assassinated Kennedy.

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He was all of those things, but he was also determined to get civil rights
off
the back burner. He did.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

He was also one tough guy. Reagan-like in some respects. After his
term was over, he was giving a speech, had a heart attack, and downed
his pills without anyone realizing it.

Go read up a bit LBJ, not sure where you're getting these impressions. He
was
a mean & greedy ******* IMHO... he may have been tough (after all he was a
Texan) but not in a way that did the country any good. I'd have no
hesitation
in ranking LBJ as the worst Democrat President of the just-past century.

BTW Bart, I'm curious... are you serious in saying the George Bush Jr is
IYHO
a good President? If so, on what grounds?

DSK

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Carter will win for best EX president. He was a good guy who was
incapable of doing a good job. Clinton's success had nothing to do
with the Rep. Congress. It had everything to do with his motivation
to get things done. The Rep. Congress didn't come along until well
into his presidency.

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Carter?

He was as lame as you could pick for a President.
And a screw up, because he was a micro manager.

Carter gets the award for President who kept the best track
of who was using the white house tennis court!

Of those listed, only Reagan is noteworthy. Clinton's "success"
was entirely due to a Republican Congress.

Jonathan Ganz wrote

Unlikely... probably Clinton, Reagan, or Nixon. Even LBJ was
better. Carter will win for the best ex-pres.

"Bart Senior" wrote

In the future historians will rate GWB as one of the best presidents
we've ever had.

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Right,

LBJ hated Kennedy,
LBJ didn't like having Kennedy in the way of his Presidency
The assasination took place in LBJ's home turf
There was a cover up,

All this is no reason to suspect LBJ. We can all be CERTAIN beyond
a shadow of a doubt that LBJ had NOTHING to do with it.

Come on Jon. Face reality. LBJ did it and got away with it.

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Yup.

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LBJ was ok except for the VN war. He tried to do the right thing,
but was lead astray by his advisors. He implemented a lot of what
Kennedy just talked about and hadn't been able to do.

And you're positive he did not have Kennedy assassinated?
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Bart Senior wrote:

GWB is making hard decisions, and exercising great restraint in dealing
with the present situation. I liken him to Winston Churchill.

Right. Except that Winston Churchill was a fine orator, and GWB often stumbles
over big words & long syllables. Winston Churchill came from an aristocratic
family background, GWB came from a war-profiteering & oil money background, and
is a 3rd generation politician. Churchill was a brave soldier who sought out
heavy fighting, Bush avoided the war in Viet Nam. Churchill was well known for
his witty comments at parties, Bush is a former frat-boy partier now reformed &
a Bible-thumping teetotaller. Churchill inspired his country to fight a
tremendous menace, Bush has enriched his cronies by sending poor & middle-class
sons, brothers, and fathers, to fight an unproven cause... other than the basic
fact that he lied about the cause, which is well proven.

Yeah, Churchill & GWB are much the same Bart.





GWB is tough enough to realize that something has to be done,
while most leaders have been appeasers. GWB was the man to
bring down the Saddam. I think that was a good choice.

If he had waited 6 months more to build a coalition, like Bush Sr did, then I'd
agree. But to alienate our allies and destroy our int'l good will so as to
launch a war for reasons that were a lie, I think was a very very poor choice.
Criminal, in fact!




In the past migrations have resulted in genocide. It is happening
again and either one must chose to tolerate it or chose to stop it.

You have to be either for genocide or against it. What is your choice?

WTF??

Bush is not intervening in any of the current ongoing genocides. AFAIK the U.S.
has no plans to intervene anywhere in Africa or Indonesia.

DSK

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DSK wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

GWB is making hard decisions, and exercising great restraint in dealing
with the present situation. I liken him to Winston Churchill.


sons, brothers, and fathers, to fight an unproven cause... other than the
basic
fact that he lied about the cause, which is well proven.

Yeah, Churchill & GWB are much the same Bart.

Glad you agree.

GWB is tough enough to realize that something has to be done,
while most leaders have been appeasers. GWB was the man to
bring down the Saddam. I think that was a good choice.

If he had waited 6 months more to build a coalition, like Bush Sr did,
then I'd
agree. But to alienate our allies and destroy our int'l good will so as to
launch a war for reasons that were a lie, I think was a very very poor
choice.
Criminal, in fact!

Waiting 6 months would have done nothing except put our soldiers into war
fighting in the hottest time of the year, possibly wearing chemical warfare
clothing--the heat of that would have killed them. Bush was smart not to
let
the UN stop him, when the would not act on their resolutions.

How can you say France and Germany are allies, when they have been
bought off by Iraqi oil? Also, France didn't want to go to war, because
they didn't know which side to surrender to. Germany has a special
relationship with the Arabs because the Arabs idolize Hitler.

It was widely recognized that Iraq has used chemical weapons, had a
chemcial weapopns program, and many countries, most noteworthy, Russia,
warned the US Iraq was building chemical weapons.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/#iraq

There may still be piles of stuff buried over there somewhere. No evidence
was provided to support that there weapons were destroyed.

It wrong to say Bush lied. It is more relevant that Saddam was an evil,
ruthless dictator who murdered hundered of thousands of people. Such
people should not get away with it. The most important thing GWB did
was send a message to other regimes, that they too, will not be able to
get away with it.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote

Carter will win for best EX president. He was a good guy who was
incapable of doing a good job.

If he was incapable of doing a good job, how can history rate him
highly?

Clinton's success had nothing to do
with the Rep. Congress. It had everything to do with his motivation
to get things done. The Rep. Congress didn't come along until well
into his presidency.

Wrong. It happened at the next election. 2 years into his 8 years.

It's ok, Jon, no conservative ever believes a liberal will change his mind
even when presented with logic and clear facts. Keep believing all
this nonsense. Fortunately most of the people in the country still
have sense.


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"Bart Senior" wrote

Carter?

He was as lame as you could pick for a President.
And a screw up, because he was a micro manager.

Carter gets the award for President who kept the best track
of who was using the white house tennis court!

Of those listed, only Reagan is noteworthy. Clinton's "success"
was entirely due to a Republican Congress.

Jonathan Ganz wrote

Unlikely... probably Clinton, Reagan, or Nixon. Even LBJ was
better. Carter will win for the best ex-pres.

"Bart Senior" wrote

In the future historians will rate GWB as one of the best presidents
we've ever had.

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LBJ wasn't that kind of guy.

Yes, he was...

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