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Bill Farina June 16th 04 03:40 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s) of
this design. On the downside, they seem to make running downwind difficult
and create a high wind load. Any comments? Perhaps therein lies the
advantage. When you run downwind, you don't have to bother to put up a
sail.

Maxprop June 16th 04 04:09 PM
Hunter Rigging
 

"Bill Farina" wrote in message
Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s)
of
this design. On the downside, they seem to make running downwind
difficult
and create a high wind load. Any comments? Perhaps therein lies the
advantage. When you run downwind, you don't have to bother to put up a
sail.

My 2 cents worth: I don't like that rig. The purported advantage is the
elimination of a backstay or runners. But as you imply it's inefficient on
a run, unless you are willing to broad reach and tack as opposed to a dead
run. A friend has a newer 410 Hunter, which we leave in our wake downwind
with our 34' full-keel CCA-type boat. He'd be wiser to douse the main and
fly a cruising spinnaker.

Max

Scott Vernon June 16th 04 04:40 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
My understanding is with the backstay eliminated you can have a larger, big
roach mainsail.

SV


"Bill Farina" wrote in message
...
Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s)
of
this design. On the downside, they seem to make running downwind
difficult
and create a high wind load. Any comments? Perhaps therein lies the
advantage. When you run downwind, you don't have to bother to put up a
sail.

DSK June 16th 04 07:11 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
Bill Farina wrote:
Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s) of
this design.

Well, then don't buy one.

... On the downside, they seem to make running downwind difficult
and create a high wind load.

What's a "high wind load"?

BTW the B&R rig was the rig of choice among Int'l 14s and other open
design super high performance dinghies for a number of years (they have
advanced beyond that now, but the current rigs are recognizably derived
from the B&R type). To say that you "can't figure out the advantage(s)"
is basically admitting that you don't know how to sail a performance boat.

OTOH it's kind of a mismatch IMHO for a heavy keelboat. But hey, if it
makes you feel tough & salty to diss Hunters, go ahead. Everybody needs
a hobby.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

SAIL LOCO June 16th 04 07:31 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s) of this
design.

I can't figure out how the tune the stupid thing. Of course maybe Hunter
drivers don't worry about that.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Maxprop June 16th 04 11:06 PM
Hunter Rigging
 

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message

For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s) of this
design.

I can't figure out how the tune the stupid thing. Of course maybe Hunter
drivers don't worry about that.

Yeah, they do, actually. The ones we know are always bitching about tuning
that rig, and frequently asking for assistance. Of course we are always
busy at the time.

Max

Horvath June 17th 04 03:24 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:05 -0400, "Bill Farina"
wrote this crap:

Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s) of
this design. On the downside, they seem to make running downwind difficult
and create a high wind load. Any comments? Perhaps therein lies the
advantage. When you run downwind, you don't have to bother to put up a
sail.

There is no backstay. So there is a huge roach on the mainsail.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Marc June 17th 04 04:22 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
but then you get the bozo's who buy the in mast furling and trade the
roach for convenience and wind up with a ****ty rig with no redeeming
virtues.

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:24:31 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:05 -0400, "Bill Farina"
wrote this crap:

Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s) of
this design. On the downside, they seem to make running downwind difficult
and create a high wind load. Any comments? Perhaps therein lies the
advantage. When you run downwind, you don't have to bother to put up a
sail.

There is no backstay. So there is a huge roach on the mainsail.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jonathan Ganz June 17th 04 05:30 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Which is exactly what Horass has done.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Marc" wrote in message
...
but then you get the bozo's who buy the in mast furling and trade the
roach for convenience and wind up with a ****ty rig with no redeeming
virtues.

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:24:31 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:05 -0400, "Bill Farina"
wrote this crap:

Hunter Sailboats have something called a B&R "fractional rig" with swept
back spreaders. For the life of me, I can't figure out the advantage(s)
of
this design. On the downside, they seem to make running downwind
difficult
and create a high wind load. Any comments? Perhaps therein lies the
advantage. When you run downwind, you don't have to bother to put up a
sail.

There is no backstay. So there is a huge roach on the mainsail.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Bobsprit June 17th 04 11:34 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Which is exactly what Horass has done.


I don't believe Horvath was dumb enough to compromise his rig by getting a
furling main. He may not know what a whisker pole is, but he's not THAT dumb.

RB

DSK June 17th 04 02:47 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
Marc wrote:

but then you get the bozo's who buy the in mast furling and trade the
roach for convenience and wind up with a ****ty rig with no redeeming
virtues

Waddaya mean "no redeeming virtues"? It's very convenient (as you said
yourself). Doesn't sail worth a poot, but convenience is worth a lot to
some people.

DSK

Marc June 17th 04 03:36 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
Its really amazing. Someone posted to the hunter forum about the best
options to get on the 365. All the replies were adament about the in
mast furler. My slip neighbor has that boat and rig and as you said,
it doesn't sailworth a poot. I suggested to the forum that they forget
the in mast furling, opt for the full roached main, and buy a good set
of lazy jacks, stack pack , dutchman or other sail handling system,
with single line reefing. Mild ****storm ensued. These jokers just
don't get it. the HP's in the main. I've sailed the boat with a full
main, and it is fast.



On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:47:41 -0400, DSK wrote:

Marc wrote:

but then you get the bozo's who buy the in mast furling and trade the
roach for convenience and wind up with a ****ty rig with no redeeming
virtues

Waddaya mean "no redeeming virtues"? It's very convenient (as you said
yourself). Doesn't sail worth a poot, but convenience is worth a lot to
some people.

DSK

Bobsprit June 17th 04 03:58 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
These jokers just
don't get it. the HP's in the main. I've sailed the boat with a full
main, and it is fast.

Marc, this is typical for Scotty, Horvath and others here. Try to teach them
about rigs or anchors and they start arguing about whisker poles and cheap
VHFs.

RB

Scott Vernon June 17th 04 06:47 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
"Bobsprit" wrote this bull ****...

Marc, this is typical for Scotty,

what did I say?

about whisker poles

I know what a wisker pole is & how to use it.

and cheap VHFs.

figured out the brand/model yet, loser?

SV

Bobsprit June 17th 04 08:14 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
Marc, this is typical for Scotty,

what did I say?

You see? He did it again.

RB

Bobsprit June 17th 04 08:15 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
and cheap VHFs.

figured out the brand/model yet, loser?


I'm sorry you bought such a cheap VHF, Scotty. Too bad.

RB

Scott Vernon June 17th 04 11:12 PM
Hunter Rigging
 
Still clewless, just as I figured.

SV

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
and cheap VHFs.

figured out the brand/model yet, loser?


I'm sorry you bought such a cheap VHF, Scotty. Too bad.

RB

Donal June 17th 04 11:36 PM
Hunter Rigging
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
These jokers just
don't get it. the HP's in the main. I've sailed the boat with a full
main, and it is fast.

Marc, this is typical for Scotty, Horvath and others here. Try to teach
them
about rigs or anchors and they start arguing about whisker poles and cheap
VHFs.

Excellent post, Bob!!!

First, you tell us that we should attack a fire by closing the companionway
hatch ,,,, and now you you are telling us about the power in the mainsail.


Sheeesh, Bob! You are obviously very experienced.

How many fires have you extinguished? How many times have you used a
mainsail?


Regards

Donal
--

Scott Vernon June 18th 04 12:05 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
IIRC the few times I looked at boobs' boring ''sailing'' pics, the main was
still in its cover.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
These jokers just
don't get it. the HP's in the main. I've sailed the boat with a full
main, and it is fast.

Marc, this is typical for Scotty, Horvath and others here. Try to teach
them
about rigs or anchors and they start arguing about whisker poles and
cheap
VHFs.

Excellent post, Bob!!!

First, you tell us that we should attack a fire by closing the
companionway
hatch ,,,, and now you you are telling us about the power in the mainsail.


Sheeesh, Bob! You are obviously very experienced.

How many fires have you extinguished? How many times have you used a
mainsail?


Regards

Donal
--

Bobsprit June 18th 04 12:49 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Sheeesh, Bob! You are obviously very experienced.

How many fires have you extinguished?


Just one, aboard a Endeavour 32. The owner let out too much alcohol and the
curtains and headliner caught. I put it out with an extinguisher.
How many boat fires did you put out?

RB

Bobsprit June 18th 04 12:51 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
How many times have you used a
mainsail?


Many more times than you and on a far greater variety of sailboats. I've also
sailed a Hunter 320 with the in-mast furler. Why do you ask?

RB

Bobsprit June 18th 04 12:53 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Still clewless, just as I figured.


No...the clues are all in. You clearly have a cheap VHS. Certainly not a proper
Icom M1+ or the like. You ended up with more junk for your junky sailboat,
cheaping out even on the safety stuff.

RB

Scott Vernon June 18th 04 01:05 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Yup, clueless bob. Even though I posted which one I have and what I paid,
you DON'T KNOW!!!!!!


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Still clewless, just as I figured.


No...the clues are all in. You clearly have a cheap VHS. Certainly not a
proper
Icom M1+ or the like. You ended up with more junk for your junky sailboat,
cheaping out even on the safety stuff.

RB

Horvath June 18th 04 01:24 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
On 17 Jun 2004 10:34:57 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Which is exactly what Horass has done.


I don't believe Horvath was dumb enough to compromise his rig by getting a
furling main. He may not know what a whisker pole is, but he's not THAT dumb.

I know what a whisker pole is, dumbass. I told you what it was used
for.

And I know that only a dumbass, like you would get a roller furling
main.

And uh, what kind of main do you have?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 18th 04 01:26 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:36:00 GMT, Marc wrote this
crap:

Its really amazing. Someone posted to the hunter forum about the best
options to get on the 365. All the replies were adament about the in
mast furler. My slip neighbor has that boat and rig and as you said,
it doesn't sailworth a poot. I suggested to the forum that they forget
the in mast furling, opt for the full roached main, and buy a good set
of lazy jacks, stack pack , dutchman or other sail handling system,
with single line reefing. Mild ****storm ensued. These jokers just
don't get it. the HP's in the main. I've sailed the boat with a full
main, and it is fast.

I've raced against some. It's not fast.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 18th 04 01:28 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:36:44 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap:

Sheeesh, Bob! You are obviously very experienced.

How many fires have you extinguished? How many times have you used a
mainsail?


He doesn't raise it while he motors.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 18th 04 01:29 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
On 17 Jun 2004 23:05:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap:

IIRC the few times I looked at boobs' boring ''sailing'' pics, the main was
still in its cover.


Was the motor running, or was he poling with his whisker pole?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath June 18th 04 01:29 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
On 17 Jun 2004 23:49:27 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Sheeesh, Bob! You are obviously very experienced.

How many fires have you extinguished?


Just one, aboard a Endeavour 32. The owner let out too much alcohol and the
curtains and headliner caught. I put it out with an extinguisher.
How many boat fires did you put out?

Why didn't you beat it out with your whisker pole?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon June 18th 04 02:55 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
he was motoring, of course. His pole is too short, so says his wife.

SV

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 17 Jun 2004 23:05:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap:

IIRC the few times I looked at boobs' boring ''sailing'' pics, the main
was
still in its cover.


Was the motor running, or was he poling with his whisker pole?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon June 18th 04 03:00 AM
Hunter Rigging
 

"Bob****" wrote ...
Still clewless, just as I figured.


You clearly have a cheap VHS. Certainly not a proper
Icom M1+

does the M1 also play DVDs?

SV

Bobsprit June 18th 04 03:10 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Hey, I've sailed an Endeavour 32.
Huge teak topped combings around the cockpit IIRC?


Yep, and wooden cleats for the jib sheets on the one I sailed. Basically a
sailing camper that needs a good amount of breeze to get on her feet. Good
smallish liveaboard for some.

RB

Bobsprit June 18th 04 03:12 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Even though I posted which one I have and what I paid,
you DON'T KNOW!!!!!!


Poor Scotty thinks I read all of his posts. Now he knows I don't and it's
breaking his heart!

RB

Bobsprit June 18th 04 03:13 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
point of order: An Icom M1 is not a VHS


Okay, I meant Betamax!

RB

Scott Vernon June 18th 04 03:17 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
poor booby, doesn't know how to google.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Even though I posted which one I have and what I paid,
you DON'T KNOW!!!!!!


Poor Scotty thinks I read all of his posts. Now he knows I don't and it's
breaking his heart!

RB

Bobsprit June 18th 04 03:19 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
poor booby, doesn't know how to google.


Good gravy, man! Get over it!

RB

Scott Vernon June 18th 04 03:25 AM
Hunter Rigging
 


"LoserBob" wrote
poor booby, doesn't know how to google.


Good gravy, man! Get over it!

Loser RB

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Jonathan Ganz June 18th 04 05:37 AM
Hunter Rigging
 
Don't lie. You race for fags, I mean flags.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:36:00 GMT, Marc wrote this
crap:

Its really amazing. Someone posted to the hunter forum about the best
options to get on the 365. All the replies were adament about the in
mast furler. My slip neighbor has that boat and rig and as you said,
it doesn't sailworth a poot. I suggested to the forum that they forget
the in mast furling, opt for the full roached main, and buy a good set
of lazy jacks, stack pack , dutchman or other sail handling system,
with single line reefing. Mild ****storm ensued. These jokers just
don't get it. the HP's in the main. I've sailed the boat with a full
main, and it is fast.

I've raced against some. It's not fast.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!


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