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Jonathan Ganz April 29th 04 05:30 AM

Bobshits' ebay crap
 
Gave what a rest? (It's Ganz, btw.)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
the old bob****'s back, I see.

You're wife is "old" too?
Scotty, you're such an easy tool. Even Ganzy gave it a rest, so why don't

you
stop acting moronic and oh-so-jealous?

RB




Bobsprit April 29th 04 11:09 AM

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Hey Scootz, you got anything better to do....like clean the toilet?

Hey, Scotty's outhouse is more than a hundred yards away and it's dark out!

RB

katysails April 29th 04 11:54 AM

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OZ asked:
Hey Scootz, you got anything better to do....like clean the toilet?

You don't clean outhouses. When they get full, you just dig a new hole and
move it on...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



Bobsprit April 29th 04 11:57 AM

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You don't clean outhouses. When they get full, you just dig a new hole and
move it on...

Pretty much how Scotty got a "new" house!

RB

Scott Vernon April 29th 04 01:22 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
Today, I do. Going to the boat. Cya

Scootz

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:54:55 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

In the top 1/4 of the ad, YOU wrote:

"Ships to: Local pickup only (no shipping) ''

Which, when a prospective buyer opens the page, is the FIRST thing he

sees.

You are wrong again, dickhead.

Marty was right.

You are wrong.

I am right

you are wrong.


SV

Hey Scootz, you got anything better to do....like clean the toilet?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Martin Baxter April 29th 04 02:25 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
Bobsprit wrote:
So it does, however the first thing a prospective sees is the part about "must
be picked up in Queens", it might put some off, just trying to help out.

Martin, are you having reading trouble? It doesn't say that anywhere on the
page.
It reads:

Packing and shipping these props will be 36.00 in the US. You can also pick
this up in Queens or City Island, NY.

RB


Go try again, if one reads from top to bottom, left to right, as most of us in this group do, the first thing about shipping you find is directly
below "Item Location", and reads:

"Item location: Queens, NY
United States
Ships to: Local pickup only (no shipping)"

Now as I said, I'm just trying to be helpful, you seem to be getting rather defensive.

Cheers
Marty


Bobsprit April 29th 04 03:03 PM

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Sorry, Marty. As you can see, they're sold.

RB

Martin Baxter April 29th 04 03:59 PM

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Bobsprit wrote:

Sorry, Marty. As you can see, they're sold.

RB


Thanks for the apology, congrats on the sale, somebody got a steal, however I'd be wary of a first time buyer that joined yesterday!


Cheers
Marty


Bobsprit April 29th 04 04:16 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
Thanks for the apology, congrats on the sale, somebody got a steal, however I'd
be wary of a first time buyer that joined yesterday!

I have a second buyer, off-ebay, if he doesn't pay. Those props cost 900 bucks,
so it is a good deal. I have many more props including some feathering ones to
be auctioned off soon.

R.

DSK April 29th 04 05:36 PM

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Bart Senior wrote:
A short walk from my boat is the schooner Dolphin, one of nine
schooners build by the Nazis to transport missiles to Peenemude.

It has the biggest prop I've seen on a sailing yacht. Lots of pictures
of the refit.

http://www.schoonerdolphin.com/

http://www.space.edu/projects/book/chapter8.html


Very cool links, thanks Bart! The North Sea trawlers were tough boats
indeed. It's odd to think of the connection to the V-2 and Werner Von
Braun, this boat was a distant contributor to the Apollo moon shots.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Martin Baxter April 29th 04 06:08 PM

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Bobsprit wrote:


I have a second buyer, off-ebay, if he doesn't pay. Those props cost 900 bucks,
so it is a good deal. I have many more props including some feathering ones to
be auctioned off soon.


We made a couple of prop shafts (2" 318 SS) and brass nuts for a ferro-cement barge being converted into a square rigger some years ago, IIRC he was
using 23" props and they went for close to two grand apiece!

Cheers
Marty


Joe April 29th 04 08:43 PM

Bobshits' integrity
 
(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
boob**** claims a 100% positive feedback, yet right on his own page it
reads;

Poor Scotty. He's pretty dumb. I wrote that I have 100% sales feedback. No one
has BOUGHT anything from me and given negative feedback. Only neg is from a guy
who I reported for fraud.


Don't you know anything about ebay? Never give anyone feedback until
they give you feedback.

Back to the lying board for poor Scotty! Dance, Boy!


Scotty is right, your feedback is tarnished forever. You do not play
well with others. No one cares to read the details, they just look at
the %. And with such a low number of sells you should still be in the
100% group. Smarten up!

How's the movie business?

We are going to watch Once upon a time in the west tonight.
Nothing like a good Sergio Spagettii western.
He's a good director dont ya think?


Joe

Joe


RB


Bobsprit April 29th 04 09:19 PM

Bobshits' integrity
 
We are going to watch Once upon a time in the west tonight.
Nothing like a good Sergio Spagettii western.
He's a good director dont ya think?

The new DVD transfer is astonishing on a wide screen TV.

RB

Bobsprit April 29th 04 09:22 PM

Bobshits' integrity
 
Don't you know anything about ebay? Never give anyone feedback until
they give you feedback.

The guy took my money and didn't send the item. When I reported him to ebay, he
sent me a different item with missing parts. You're right, I don't play well
with people who pull scams. My seller rating is perfect. People certainly do
look over feedback and mine is excellent. When I see a # below 90% I worry.

RB

Joe April 30th 04 02:25 AM

Bobshits' integrity
 
(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Don't you know anything about ebay? Never give anyone feedback until
they give you feedback.

The guy took my money and didn't send the item. When I reported him to ebay, he
sent me a different item with missing parts. You're right, I don't play well
with people who pull scams. My seller rating is perfect. People certainly do
look over feedback and mine is excellent. When I see a # below 90% I worry.

RB


You missed the whole point numbnuts.

You can report fraud, ect to ebay without leaving him a neg. until
after he has provide you feedback.

Purchace things thru paypal and a credit card(suzy will give u her #)
that way if you get ripped off you cancel your payment. Duh.


Get him to leave you a + feedback then slam him with a negetive.

As a seller, never give anyone any feedback until they give you
feedback first.
You will find no matter how well you pack and how good your item is
you will run into a complete asshole thats going to slam you with a -.

The guy that sold you the item he was able to get even and leave you
a -.

Joe

Navigator April 30th 04 02:38 AM

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He would also want another couple of nice big smelly, noisy engines. Can
you find him one of those too?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

I have no doubt, being the serious sailor, that Doug has a use for this great
deal!

Let me know, Doug.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...egory=26456&it
em=2475487934


RB



Bobsprit April 30th 04 03:47 AM

Bobshits' integrity
 
You missed the whole point numbnuts.

You can report fraud, ect to ebay without leaving him a neg. until
after he has provide you feedback.

Duh. You don't get it. Ebay suspended him. He got reinstated, then returned
fire. In any case, he scammed several people and it was worth the neg to let
people know. Doesn't effect my sales one bit.

RB

Bobsprit April 30th 04 03:49 AM

Bobshits' integrity
 
The guy that sold you the item he was able to get even and leave you
a -.

Joe, that guy is facing a investigation from Ebay and is no longer selling. He
used someone elses credit card to get back on ebay and I sent them a letter
last week. Meanwhile, I resold the radio fairly and only lost 35 bucks.

RB



Capt. Mooron April 30th 04 05:03 AM

Bobshits' integrity
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Meanwhile, I resold the radio fairly and only lost 35 bucks.

SAY WHAT???.......

CM



Joe April 30th 04 08:28 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
"Bart Senior" wrote in message . net...
A short walk from my boat is the schooner Dolphin, one of nine
schooners build by the Nazis to transport missiles to Peenemude.

It has the biggest prop I've seen on a sailing yacht. Lots of pictures
of the refit.


Good reason the prop was so big Bart. It was buildt to haul cargo in
heavy sea's at a reliable pace . And when buildt it was not a sailing
yacht at all. Great history of that boat. I wonder if its an early
model of Oak Planking or the latter with pine.

It would be nice to get boat number 10-20 with the bugs shook out and
still using quality materials. Those nazi's had some nice equipment
during the start of WWII. Have you seen their bravery medals from the
later part of the war? Made of bakelite plastic. Early one's were made
of Sterling Silver.

Now I could understand if Kerry threw plastic cheapo medals over the
fence, but bronze and silver stars.......what a dick.

Joe







http://www.schoonerdolphin.com/

http://www.space.edu/projects/book/chapter8.html

Bart Senior


Martin Baxter wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:

I have no doubt, being the serious sailor, that Doug has a use for this

great
deal!

Let me know, Doug.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...egory=26456&it
em=2475487934


RB


"O bids", I guess they are not in particularly great demand. They'd look

good on my living room wall, but your ad says they have to be picked up in
Queens, oh well.

Cheers
Marty


Bart Senior May 2nd 04 12:23 AM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 

Joe wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote


A short walk from my boat is the schooner Dolphin, one of nine
schooners build by the Nazis to transport missiles to Peenemude.


yacht at all. Great history of that boat. I wonder if its an early
model of Oak Planking or the latter with pine.


3" Long Leaf Yellow Pine planking, custom milled for Dolphin by
New England Naval Timbers.

I've read that big slow moving props are more efficient that smaller
faster turning props. I imagine the Dolphin will be able to motor
well for it's size. Still, with that much wetted surface and gross
tonnage, I bet it burns some fuel under power.

They cut out four big sections of the shrink wrap today on
Dolphin so I guess they are starting work on her again. Pretty
lame of them to miss out on the ideal cool work weather we
have had. Perhaps they are running into financial problems.
A boat this size must cost $5000 for winter dry storage. I figure
it costs about $780 a month just to sit there--not to mention
repair work and materials. They are trying to sell shares in the
boat at $100,000 for 1/10 share. I don't think there are many
takers.

Bart Senior



DSK May 3rd 04 01:12 AM

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Bart Senior wrote:
3" Long Leaf Yellow Pine planking, custom milled for Dolphin by
New England Naval Timbers.


I bet that was not easy to bend to shape.

I've read that big slow moving props are more efficient that smaller
faster turning props.


Yes, that is definitely the case. It's why big ships all have large,
slow turning props. Naval ships, for example, usually hit WOT around 200
RPM... the reduction gears are the most expensive part of the power plant.


... Perhaps they are running into financial problems.
A boat this size must cost $5000 for winter dry storage. I figure
it costs about $780 a month just to sit there--not to mention
repair work and materials. They are trying to sell shares in the
boat at $100,000 for 1/10 share. I don't think there are many
takers.


Might be fun, depending on what you could do with your share. I bet they
wouldn't let a 1/10th share owner actually take the boat out
independently for 1/10th of her season though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


John Cairns May 3rd 04 02:04 AM

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Might be fun, depending on what you could do with your share. I bet they
wouldn't let a 1/10th share owner actually take the boat out
independently for 1/10th of her season though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



ADVENTURES IN PARADISE, LLC, has been formed to fully restore the boat to
better than new condition, and fit the boat out for extended cruising and
commercial chartering. The LLC is being capitalized at $2 million. Half of
this amount is being invested by the initial five members of the LLC. The
other $1,000,000 is being offered for sale as 50 membership units in the LLC
at a cost of $20,000 each. Capital invested will be used to refit the vessel
and prepare it for income generating charter service. Once fully restored
and ready to sail (scheduled for fall of 2005), the Company will market and
sell a variety of cruise and charter packages to the public and to special
interest groups for 20-30 weeks per year. Marketing will occur through a
contracted management company as well as independently. These rentals will
generate $15,000 to $25,000 per week, reaching an annual revenue stream of
in excess of $500,000 within four years. After operating expenses,
management expects the business to generate a net annual income that grows
to more than $200,000 during the first five years.

Each membership share will entitle the member to two weeks of prepaid
all-inclusive vacation cruising for two people on Dolphin each year, plus a
share of profits from the charter business. It is projected that members
will receive an annual return on invested capital of 7 to 14% which will
average 11 percent. Additionally, shares may be sold, transferred, gifted or
traded freely. The owners will also receive a proportional share of any
proceeds from the eventual sale of the boat and business, thus more than
doubling their investment after five years. Details are included in the
Business Plan which follows.


The thing is, they're not guaranteeing your investment, indeed, the whole
project could go down the tubes before the boat is re-launched.
John Cairns




Scott Vernon May 3rd 04 03:37 AM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
I've been considering a feathering prop. But I don't want a stolen one.

SV

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:


I have a second buyer, off-ebay, if he doesn't pay. Those props cost 900

bucks,
so it is a good deal. I have many more props including some feathering

ones to
be auctioned off soon.


We made a couple of prop shafts (2" 318 SS) and brass nuts for a

ferro-cement barge being converted into a square rigger some years ago, IIRC
he was
using 23" props and they went for close to two grand apiece!

Cheers
Marty



Martin Baxter May 3rd 04 05:33 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
Scott Vernon wrote:

I've been considering a feathering prop. But I don't want a stolen one.


More like you dont want one that Bob stole. ;-o

Cheers
Marty


Bart Senior May 3rd 04 07:23 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 

DSK wrote

Bart Senior wrote:
3" Long Leaf Yellow Pine planking, custom milled for Dolphin by
New England Naval Timbers.


I bet that was not easy to bend to shape.


I've always thought pine was easy to work. After looking at that
lumber I have to agree with you. They are using 1/2" or bigger
galvanized bolts to fasten them to the steel frames, and then
plugging the counter sunk holes with wood, and then caulking.

I've read that big slow moving props are more efficient that smaller
faster turning props.


Yes, that is definitely the case. It's why big ships all have large,
slow turning props. Naval ships, for example, usually hit WOT around 200
RPM... the reduction gears are the most expensive part of the power plant.


Have you read about regenerative motor sailing? I ran into this
yesterday while researching props. Big props are key to making
that work. I think it only makes sense when you have a light boat.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/S...20motor%20sail
ing.html

... Perhaps they are running into financial problems.
A boat this size must cost $5000 for winter dry storage. I figure
it costs about $780 a month just to sit there--not to mention
repair work and materials. They are trying to sell shares in the
boat at $100,000 for 1/10 share. I don't think there are many
takers.


Might be fun, depending on what you could do with your share. I bet they
wouldn't let a 1/10th share owner actually take the boat out
independently for 1/10th of her season though.


That would be attractive, if you could do that. Unfortunately, wooden
vessels like this cost so much to maintain, that purchasing shares is an
opportunity to lose money.

The Quinipiac, a schooner, is getting some maintenance work done.

http://www.schoonersoundlearning.org/siboat.html

There are many volunteers helping. This schooner has a shallow
draft and looks like it won't sail to weather until you find out it has
a 12' centerboard. I'm going to see if I can get a ride on her later
this year. Without donations, non-profit status, and volunteer
help, she would probablly be rotting or sold for scrap.

Bart



Bobsprit May 3rd 04 08:02 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
More like you dont want one that Bob stole. ;-o

Cheers
Marty

I have a Martec folding prop in new condition, which is a perfect fit for
Scotty's boat. I also have a Gori (Sp?) from Catalina 42. They're going on ebay
soon.

RB

felton May 3rd 04 08:13 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
On 03 May 2004 19:02:05 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

More like you dont want one that Bob stole. ;-o

Cheers
Marty

I have a Martec folding prop in new condition, which is a perfect fit for
Scotty's boat. I also have a Gori (Sp?) from Catalina 42. They're going on ebay
soon.

RB


What size?

Bobsprit May 3rd 04 09:21 PM

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I have a Martec folding prop in new condition, which is a perfect fit for
Scotty's boat. I also have a Gori (Sp?) from Catalina 42. They're going on

ebay
soon.

RB


What size?


I don't have the sizes yet. The smaller prop came off a Pearson 31.

RB

Scott Vernon May 3rd 04 09:27 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
If you don't know the size, how can you say it's a perfect fit for my boat?

S

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I have a Martec folding prop in new condition, which is a perfect fit for
Scotty's boat. I also have a Gori (Sp?) from Catalina 42. They're going

on
ebay
soon.

RB


What size?


I don't have the sizes yet. The smaller prop will be taken off a Pearson

31 tonight.

RB



Scott Vernon May 3rd 04 09:32 PM

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I'd feel very confident buying stuff from bob......... N O T !!!!


SV

"Bobsprit" wrote ...
More like you dont want one that Bob stole. ;-o

Cheers
Marty

I have a Martec folding prop in new condition, which is a perfect fit for
Scotty's boat. I also have a Gori (Sp?) from Catalina 42. They're going on

ebay
soon.

RB



Bobsprit May 3rd 04 09:42 PM

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I'd feel very confident buying stuff from bob......... N O T !!!!

Have a look at my feedback. Not one unhappy buyer. In fact, we offer returns
and even pay the shipping, though it's yet to be needed.

RB

Bobsprit May 3rd 04 09:44 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
If you don't know the size, how can you say it's a perfect fit for my boat?

S

I don't actually know if it would fit your boat/shaft. I'm guessing since it
came off a P31 which is not too far off your specs. Doesn't matter as it'll go
on ebay and probably be overbid.

RB

Scott Vernon May 3rd 04 11:12 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
I did, feedback not 100% like mine is.

S

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'd feel very confident buying stuff from bob......... N O T !!!!

Have a look at my feedback. Not one unhappy buyer. In fact, we offer

returns
and even pay the shipping, though it's yet to be needed.

RB



Scott Vernon May 3rd 04 11:14 PM

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This is the closest that bob's come to admitting he lied.

S

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
If you don't know the size, how can you say it's a perfect fit for my

boat?

S

I don't actually know if it would fit your boat/shaft. I'm guessing since

it
came off a P31 which is not too far off your specs. Doesn't matter as

it'll go
on ebay and probably be overbid.

RB



Scott Vernon May 3rd 04 11:15 PM

Bobshits' integrity
 

"Joe" wrote

Scotty is right,



the 3 words bob dreads most.




DSK May 3rd 04 11:36 PM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
Bart Senior wrote:
I've always thought pine was easy to work.


Depends, longleaf pine is fairly soft & easy to bend but it tends to
dull tools. But shucks, a 3" thick plank isn't going to be easy to bend
no matter what type wood (unless you have a couple of hydraulic presses
handy).


... After looking at that
lumber I have to agree with you. They are using 1/2" or bigger
galvanized bolts to fasten them to the steel frames, and then
plugging the counter sunk holes with wood, and then caulking.


After a few seasons, the stuff will set in place and the bolts won't
have any strain on them. I don't like galvanized fastenings but for a
boat this size Monel would be 'way too expensive!

Have you read about regenerative motor sailing? I ran into this
yesterday while researching props. Big props are key to making
that work. I think it only makes sense when you have a light boat.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/S...20motor%20sail
ing.html


Interesting, I've read a few articles about this. I agree it only seems
practical for light, easily driven boats.


That would be attractive, if you could do that. Unfortunately, wooden
vessels like this cost so much to maintain, that purchasing shares is an
opportunity to lose money.


Agreed again. All boats are money pits, but big old wooden ones can be
appalling.


The Quinipiac, a schooner, is getting some maintenance work done.

http://www.schoonersoundlearning.org/siboat.html

There are many volunteers helping. This schooner has a shallow
draft and looks like it won't sail to weather until you find out it has
a 12' centerboard. I'm going to see if I can get a ride on her later
this year. Without donations, non-profit status, and volunteer
help, she would probablly be rotting or sold for scrap.


Yep. Once upon a time, vessels like this were the trucks of the eastern
seaboard. Carried almost everything to towns along almost every stretch
of water, which is why so many had centerboards. In New England more
coasting schooners didn't have them, they had to wait on tides anyway.
Here in NC the boats had to be extreme shallow draft and many had two
centerboards. Also, due to the chppy waters of NC sounds they had
exaggerated bow flare which came to be a style identified with Harker's
Island and NC boats in general.

It's a good thing Howard Chappelle made a serious study of these vessels
before they all died out completely. Now, all that's left are a few
pampered yachts and skipjacks that survive by taking tourists out
sailing. I've been out on a few replicas (sometimes as a paying tourist,
sometimes as a volunteer) and it's a lot of fun. Some people take it
*very* seriously though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King



felton May 4th 04 12:02 AM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
On 03 May 2004 20:21:20 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

I have a Martec folding prop in new condition, which is a perfect fit for
Scotty's boat. I also have a Gori (Sp?) from Catalina 42. They're going on

ebay
soon.

RB


What size?


I don't have the sizes yet. The smaller prop came off a Pearson 31.

RB


Well that doesn't help:) If either is a 16 x 10 x 1 (RH), let me
know. FYI...if it is a "pick up only in Queens" forget it:)

Bobsprit May 4th 04 12:22 AM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
Well that doesn't help:) If either is a 16 x 10 x 1 (RH), let me
know. FYI...if it is a "pick up only in Queens" forget it:)

I ship most items. I'm about to list more outboard engines, inlcuding a really
nice 9.9, but I'd prefer not to ship those.

RB

Bobsprit May 4th 04 12:24 AM

For Doug's Sailing Hobby
 
I did, feedback not 100% like mine is.

You have very little feedback one way or the other. My SALES feedback is 100%,
no negatives.

RB


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