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What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

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N1EE wrote:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

Bobsprit?

Cheers
Marty

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N1EE wrote:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

If it's Oz, breakfast! ;-o

Cheers
Marty

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What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward mark?

Cigars
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

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Overweight spin trimmers?


"N1EE" wrote in message
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What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

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A fit?


RB

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N1EE wrote:
What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

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Good one.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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A fit?


RB

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?

Cigars
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

My skipper wopuld toss you overboard if he caught you smoking anything
anywhere near his sails.
John Cairns

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..

The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

My skipper would SCREAM that you were slowing the boat down if you did
anything like that. Times change, I guess.
John Cairns

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N1EE wrote:
What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

Superfluous crew. Speaking of which, our skipper said last night that a boat
must finish the race with the same number of crew that it started with,
which raised a couple of quesitons...

Does it have to be the same crew - can you, say, swap crew with another boat
in mid-race?

Can the surplus ones be tipped overboard after the race starts, and picked
up just before the end?


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Wally
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John Cairns wrote:

Interesting. Say you lose a crewmember overboard, and can't locate
them. Are you disqualified?

RRS 47.2 doesn't answer that, but does clarify my earlier post a little...

No person on board shall intentionally leave, except when ill or injured, or
to help a person or vessel in danger, or to swim. A person leaving the boat
by accident or to swim shall be back on board before the boat continues the
race.


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Wally
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www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

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Wally wrote:
John Cairns wrote:

Interesting. Say you lose a crewmember overboard, and can't locate
them. Are you disqualified?

A
person leaving the boat by accident ... shall be back on board
before the boat continues the race.

I guess it imples disqualification, or that you'd be posted as a DNF.


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Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
N1EE wrote:
What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

Superfluous crew. Speaking of which, our skipper said last night that a
boat
must finish the race with the same number of crew that it started with,
which raised a couple of quesitons...

Does it have to be the same crew - can you, say, swap crew with another
boat
in mid-race?

Can the surplus ones be tipped overboard after the race starts, and picked
up just before the end?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

Interesting. Say you lose a crewmember overboard, and can't locate them. Are
you disqualified?
John Cairns

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1 point to you Doug.

The local Star sailors here still do it.
I've never done it myself, I usually start
with the bitter end and let it fall randomly,
and only had one easly to clear snag using
that method.

I might consider it in fresh water. I'd
prefer to keep my lines clean and dry.

Have you ever used that method?

Bart

DSK wrote

N1EE wrote:
What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

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Gawd,
We gave that up when we went to braided halyards.
I hadn't thought about it, but the chutes are so light and the boats so
fast these days - you might have to Pull it down with a tail fling.
It also made life interesting at the winches when that wet line
whiplashed accross the cockpit.
Matt Colie



DSK wrote:

N1EE wrote:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?


The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

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We used to call it an "asshole" when the spinnaker
halyard or some other line would get a round turned
jammed in a block or something. I can remember it
happening a few times during spinnaker takedowns
when I raced as Etchells crew in SF. It never
caused a series probelm there.

On an Express 37, a round trun ground into a cheek
block put us in serious trouble. Everyone else was
on the high side, the boat was flat on it's ear, and
I was the only man on the low side. I managed to
clear it, but was seriously thinking about cutting it.

Thinking back on it now, it is kind of funny when
a couple guys are yelling "ASSHOLE" "ASSHOLE" over
and over again. Anyone not in on the term would
be confused.

Does anyone else use that term in that manner?

Bart



Matt Colie wrote

Gawd,
We gave that up when we went to braided halyards.
I hadn't thought about it, but the chutes are so light and the boats so
fast these days - you might have to Pull it down with a tail fling.
It also made life interesting at the winches when that wet line
whiplashed accross the cockpit.
Matt Colie



DSK wrote:

N1EE wrote:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?


The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

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Bart,

I have know that label for both that little turn that
jams the line at a block and the little puckers(?) that
the yarns of a laid line form when it is coiled backward
and run free a couple of times (does this make any sense?).

More description: The three individual yarns of a laid line
can be made to each stick out of the lay and roll a half turn
each causing three little lumps sticking out of the lay
usually at the same location along the line, but each at
its own yarn location.

Matt

N1EE wrote:

We used to call it an "asshole" when the spinnaker
halyard or some other line would get a round turned
jammed in a block or something. I can remember it
happening a few times during spinnaker takedowns
when I raced as Etchells crew in SF. It never
caused a series probelm there.

On an Express 37, a round trun ground into a cheek
block put us in serious trouble. Everyone else was
on the high side, the boat was flat on it's ear, and
I was the only man on the low side. I managed to
clear it, but was seriously thinking about cutting it.

Thinking back on it now, it is kind of funny when
a couple guys are yelling "ASSHOLE" "ASSHOLE" over
and over again. Anyone not in on the term would
be confused.

Does anyone else use that term in that manner?

Bart



Matt Colie wrote


Gawd,
We gave that up when we went to braided halyards.
I hadn't thought about it, but the chutes are so light and the boats so
fast these days - you might have to Pull it down with a tail fling.
It also made life interesting at the winches when that wet line
whiplashed accross the cockpit.
Matt Colie



DSK wrote:


N1EE wrote:


What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?


The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

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More than that it's illegal to intentionally throw objects overboard
(here anyway).

Cheers

DSK wrote:

N1EE wrote:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?


The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

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I believe its called a " hockle"

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:07:26 -0400, Matt Colie
wrote:

Bart,

I have know that label for both that little turn that
jams the line at a block and the little puckers(?) that
the yarns of a laid line form when it is coiled backward
and run free a couple of times (does this make any sense?).

More description: The three individual yarns of a laid line
can be made to each stick out of the lay and roll a half turn
each causing three little lumps sticking out of the lay
usually at the same location along the line, but each at
its own yarn location.

Matt

N1EE wrote:

We used to call it an "asshole" when the spinnaker
halyard or some other line would get a round turned
jammed in a block or something. I can remember it
happening a few times during spinnaker takedowns
when I raced as Etchells crew in SF. It never
caused a series probelm there.

On an Express 37, a round trun ground into a cheek
block put us in serious trouble. Everyone else was
on the high side, the boat was flat on it's ear, and
I was the only man on the low side. I managed to
clear it, but was seriously thinking about cutting it.

Thinking back on it now, it is kind of funny when
a couple guys are yelling "ASSHOLE" "ASSHOLE" over
and over again. Anyone not in on the term would
be confused.

Does anyone else use that term in that manner?

Bart



Matt Colie wrote


Gawd,
We gave that up when we went to braided halyards.
I hadn't thought about it, but the chutes are so light and the boats so
fast these days - you might have to Pull it down with a tail fling.
It also made life interesting at the winches when that wet line
whiplashed accross the cockpit.
Matt Colie



DSK wrote:


N1EE wrote:


What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?


The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

Racing Question
 

I had an instructor a long time ago who used it
when someone would coil a sheet correctly. He'd
say something like you've put assholes in my sheets.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
We used to call it an "asshole" when the spinnaker
halyard or some other line would get a round turned
jammed in a block or something. I can remember it
happening a few times during spinnaker takedowns
when I raced as Etchells crew in SF. It never
caused a series probelm there.

On an Express 37, a round trun ground into a cheek
block put us in serious trouble. Everyone else was
on the high side, the boat was flat on it's ear, and
I was the only man on the low side. I managed to
clear it, but was seriously thinking about cutting it.

Thinking back on it now, it is kind of funny when
a couple guys are yelling "ASSHOLE" "ASSHOLE" over
and over again. Anyone not in on the term would
be confused.

Does anyone else use that term in that manner?

Bart



Matt Colie wrote

Gawd,
We gave that up when we went to braided halyards.
I hadn't thought about it, but the chutes are so light and the boats so
fast these days - you might have to Pull it down with a tail fling.
It also made life interesting at the winches when that wet line
whiplashed accross the cockpit.
Matt Colie



DSK wrote:

N1EE wrote:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard just before the leeward
mark?


The tail of the spinnaker halyard.

Bart, you may be showing your age (and mine) here. This was failry
common about 40 years ago, and I don't recall seeing anybody do it for
about 20. The idea was to shake the tangle out and control the speed
of
the douse.

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

Racing Question
 

I was talking about braided line.

By the way, if the core pops out of the
cover, we call that a hernia.

Bart

Marc wrote

I believe its called a " hockle"

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:07:26 -0400, Matt Colie
wrote:

Bart,

I have know that label for both that little turn that
jams the line at a block and the little puckers(?) that
the yarns of a laid line form when it is coiled backward
and run free a couple of times (does this make any sense?).

More description: The three individual yarns of a laid line
can be made to each stick out of the lay and roll a half turn
each causing three little lumps sticking out of the lay
usually at the same location along the line, but each at
its own yarn location.

Matt

N1EE wrote:

We used to call it an "asshole" when the spinnaker
halyard or some other line would get a round turn
jammed in a block or something. I can remember it
happening a few times during spinnaker takedowns
when I raced as Etchells crew in SF. It never
caused a series probelm there.

On an Express 37, a round turn ground into a cheek
block put us in serious trouble. Everyone else was
on the high side, the boat was flat on it's ear, and
I was the only man on the low side. I managed to
clear it, but was seriously thinking about cutting it.

Thinking back on it now, it is kind of funny when
a couple guys are yelling "ASSHOLE" "ASSHOLE" over
and over again. Anyone not in on the term would
be confused.

Does anyone else use that term in that manner?

Bart

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N1EE wrote:
1 point to you Doug.

The local Star sailors here still do it.
I've never done it myself, I usually start
with the bitter end and let it fall randomly,
and only had one easly to clear snag using
that method.

On a boat with a mast head rig, the spinnaker halyard can be long
relative to the cockpit & working area. Something's gotta be done! On
big boats there are a lot of people sitting around with nothing else to
do, so one of them carefully flakes the spi halyard tail into a line
bag. On hotter boats, it's too busy, but you can still have a line bag
with a large opening that it's easy for the skipper or middle man to
drop the tail into and it usually comes out OK.

The first boat I raced seriously was a 470 with a 1:2 spinnaker halyard
led to a squirrel cage (a reel for taking up slack line). This was
considered ultra-modern after the next most recent innovation, the
continuous spinnaker halyard (which actually is very handy and the idea
survives in the A-sail boats with the take-down line led to the middle
of the chute). This was in the 1970s.


I might consider it in fresh water. I'd
prefer to keep my lines clean and dry.

Have you ever used that method?

When I was learning, some people used to throw the sheet into the water
ahead of the boat, to get the line fed around the forestay for the
hoist. Now that's rather old-school, as Oz says.

I'd rather keep lines out of the water myself. It's not good for them
and if another boat snags the line, it's a foul on you. Of course you
could try tying different knots trailing a line as you did 720s... do
they give trophies for that? ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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OzOne wrote:

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:55:25 -0400, Martin Baxter
scribbled thusly:


N1EE wrote:


What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

If it's Oz, breakfast! ;-o


Beer! Not just for breakfest anymore!

Cheers
Marty

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My old 5o5 had the haylard attached to the
center of the chute. I liked it.

I like continuous lines in general. My jib
sheets are rigged that way. Eventually, I'll
put a fine jib adjustment on HOOT and the
tails will be exposed. Right now they
terminate under the deck. So the jib trimmer
can grab the upwind side of the jib sheet,
take up the slack and trim the jib, without
going to leeward if he drops the sheet.

My twings work the same way, each side with
it's own cleat on the console and sharing a
single long line. Nothing on the boat requires
a crew to go to leeward, at most you have to lean
in slightly to reach the console.

I also use a line to connect both whale gusher
pump handles, and they are fed though a bullseye
so either or both can be pumped by pulling on one
line.

I color coded my running rigging, red, white, and
blue, and went fore to aft that way. Jib lines
red, in the middle, the vang, is white, and the
main sheet blue. I picked green for the spinnaker.
One nice thing about re-rigging an old boat, you
can set things up any way you want both color
coding, or with continous lines.

Bart

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Why do you like continuous lines for jib sheets?

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
My old 5o5 had the haylard attached to the
center of the chute. I liked it.

I like continuous lines in general. My jib
sheets are rigged that way. Eventually, I'll
put a fine jib adjustment on HOOT and the
tails will be exposed. Right now they
terminate under the deck. So the jib trimmer
can grab the upwind side of the jib sheet,
take up the slack and trim the jib, without
going to leeward if he drops the sheet.

My twings work the same way, each side with
it's own cleat on the console and sharing a
single long line. Nothing on the boat requires
a crew to go to leeward, at most you have to lean
in slightly to reach the console.

I also use a line to connect both whale gusher
pump handles, and they are fed though a bullseye
so either or both can be pumped by pulling on one
line.

I color coded my running rigging, red, white, and
blue, and went fore to aft that way. Jib lines
red, in the middle, the vang, is white, and the
main sheet blue. I picked green for the spinnaker.
One nice thing about re-rigging an old boat, you
can set things up any way you want both color
coding, or with continous lines.

Bart

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I guess that is ok as long as he doesn't sleep in
them.

Bart

Jonathan Ganz wrote

I had an instructor a long time ago who used it
when someone would coil a sheet correctly. He'd
say something like you've put assholes in my sheets.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote

Why do you like continuous lines for jib sheets?

******************************

So I don't have to tie them together.

Part of my sailing instructor certification entailed solo sailing
a J-24, for US Sailing, and a Merrit 25 for ASA. I found it
easier to tie the ends of the sheets together with a sheetbend
behind the mainsheet ratchet block so I wouldn't lose them
as I tacked around. It made it easier to retrieve them as I
scrambled around the boat. I sometimes sail other small
boats and I've gotten in the habit of knotting the jib sheets
together there also when sailing solo, or sailing with people
in the way.

If you are in irons or coming off a mooring, and need to
back a sail to push the bow to a given tack--like port tack,
you just haul on the same side sheet--the port side sheet
and you are off--all without going forward and fussing
around.

So I decided to rig HOOT the without the sheet bend
connecting them. I adjusted the length under the foredeck
where I tie it off. I'm thinking about adding another set
of cleats farther aft. My cockpit is long enough that even
with my hiking stick fully extended, I can't reach everything.
I'm putting on some shock cord to help stabilize the tiller
also.

Bart Senior

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What US SAILING instructor certification do you
have? Basic keelboat?
S

"Bart Senior" wrote in
message
. net...
: Jonathan Ganz wrote
:
: Why do you like continuous lines for jib
sheets?
:
: ******************************
:
: So I don't have to tie them together.
:
: Part of my sailing instructor certification
entailed solo sailing
: a J-24, for US Sailing, and a Merrit 25 for
ASA. I found it
: easier to tie the ends of the sheets together
with a sheetbend
: behind the mainsheet ratchet block so I wouldn't
lose them
: as I tacked around. It made it easier to
retrieve them as I
: scrambled around the boat. I sometimes sail
other small
: boats and I've gotten in the habit of knotting
the jib sheets
: together there also when sailing solo, or
sailing with people
: in the way.
:
: If you are in irons or coming off a mooring, and
need to
: back a sail to push the bow to a given
tack--like port tack,
: you just haul on the same side sheet--the port
side sheet
: and you are off--all without going forward and
fussing
: around.
:
: So I decided to rig HOOT the without the sheet
bend
: connecting them. I adjusted the length under
the foredeck
: where I tie it off. I'm thinking about adding
another set
: of cleats farther aft. My cockpit is long
enough that even
: with my hiking stick fully extended, I can't
reach everything.
: I'm putting on some shock cord to help stabilize
the tiller
: also.
:
: Bart Senior
:
:
:

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:56:07 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap:

What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

If it's Oz, breakfast! ;-o


Beer! Not just for breakfest anymore!


Truly the worst post of the week! Nobody throws beer overboard.





My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

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Horvath wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:56:07 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap:


What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

If it's Oz, breakfast! ;-o


Beer! Not just for breakfest anymore!



Truly the worst post of the week! Nobody throws beer overboard.

You running in first gear? Beer that has already had the alcohol extracted in the stomach.....


Cheers
Marty

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:04:15 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:56:07 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote this crap:


What do some sailboat racers throw overboard
just before the leeward mark?

If it's Oz, breakfast! ;-o


Beer! Not just for breakfest anymore!



Truly the worst post of the week! Nobody throws beer overboard.

You running in first gear? Beer that has already had the alcohol extracted in the stomach.....


That's not beer.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!