To wish him well is akin to wishing a suicide jumper a nice trip down.....


We've all attempted to explain the situation. He's gone ahead in any case,
assuming that the ads and copy must be "mostly" true.
There's nothing left now but to wish him well and be done with it. Last season
I met a 26X owner who "liked" his boat. Some people think Bush is a good
president. What can be done? I'm wearing my "Re-Defeat Bush" button and
enjoying the season.

RB

I concur..... on all counts Bob.

Nonetheless... I enjoyed Jim's posts. ;-)

CM



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| To wish him well is akin to wishing a suicide jumper a nice trip
down.....
|
|
| We've all attempted to explain the situation. He's gone ahead in any case,
| assuming that the ads and copy must be "mostly" true.
| There's nothing left now but to wish him well and be done with it. Last
season
| I met a 26X owner who "liked" his boat. Some people think Bush is a good
| president. What can be done? I'm wearing my "Re-Defeat Bush" button and
| enjoying the season.
|
| RB

Bob is back and lying as usual. He knows nothing about
boats; therefore, HE WINS.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie
gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass
troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's
berley bucket.

C'mon taddy. Scotty, Ganz, Doug and a few others are still going with the
same
sad trolls and comments. Zero imagination or wit on their part. I'm not
encouraged to beat a dead horse any further. Meanwhile, people like Ozzy,
Jeff,
Mooron and others actually have valuable info and ideas. Too often they
get
burried in the swamps of Alt.Sailing.Asa. There's NOTHING mundane about
real
boat talk.

RB

You can drain the tanks by planing over 6 knots. Its a bit of a paradox, given
that there are so many safety warnings about running with tanks empty,
especially at speed.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

| Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home
faster
| than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his
tanks
| and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.

You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained
manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to
weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under
power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave
broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must
quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid swamping.
Been There ...Done That.



| Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say
that it
| can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those
limits
| becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
| As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland.....
riverways and small lakes. Their only selling features were trailerable,
cheap and multi-use weekenders. They do not belong on the ocean or on a
large lake. The current asking price of 32 k is beyond ridiculous.

CM

While its true that the engine may be an advantage comparing to "boat of its
size," Jim first appeared here asking for advice about used 30 to 32 footers. A
mac might still be able to outrun a C&C 32, but not by much if its a bit rough.
On the other hand, what constitutes "heavy weather" is a lot different on a
proper boat.

Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all used
boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of the Mac
to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only took
her to see boats that had been abandoned.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
How about his expectation that he can motor away from incoming heavy weather
at lots of knots when the boat has the usual complement of sails, spars,
people, and gear? He seems to think he can make 'book speed', when that
speed is quoted for an unloaded and stripped-down boat. I gather the reality
is that he'll make little more than a decent sailboat (10kt or so?) and
that's keeping everyone below or in the cockpit.


Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home faster
than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows his
tanks
and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.
Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't say that
it
can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those limits
becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his variables.
As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.

RB

The boat won't plane Jeff.... but I agree that the method would drain the
ballast. I certainly wouldn't do it with the stick up though.

CM

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
| You can drain the tanks by planing over 6 knots. Its a bit of a paradox,
given
| that there are so many safety warnings about running with tanks empty,
| especially at speed.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
|
| | Even loaded down and with some chop, he can still make a run for home
| faster
| | than any sailboat of aprox. the same size. If he miscalculates, blows
his
| tanks
| | and then gets caught unbalasted, he'll regret it.
|
| You can't "blow" the ballast tanks on a Mac.... they must be drained
| manually from the trailer or with a pump. The vessel cannot pound to
| weather. I have passed Mac's under sail to weather while they were under
| power. The boat will porpoise and dive in steep waves. Taking a wave
| broadside is an exhilarating "near death" experience on a Mac. They must
| quarter the wave train and remain at steerage way speeds to avoid
swamping.
| Been There ...Done That.
|
|
|
| | Understand, Wally, I have no respect for the Mac line. BUT, I won't
say
| that it
| | can't make SOME owners happy within it's narrow limits. To argue those
| limits
| | becomes somewhat futile when you don't know the owner or his
variables.
| | As I said, I wish Jim good luck with his boat.
|
| The boat is suitable for protected waters... preferably inland.....
| riverways and small lakes. Their only selling features were trailerable,
| cheap and multi-use weekenders. They do not belong on the ocean or on a
| large lake. The current asking price of 32 k is beyond ridiculous.
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all
used
| boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of
the Mac
| to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only
took
| her to see boats that had been abandoned.

She probably demands the furniture is covered in plastic as well......

CM

Perhaps you should try it sometime?

Cheers

DSK wrote:
Flying Tadpole wrote:

Oi! It's not me who keeps offering the newsgroup squirty cheese
as a means for improving their standing!


No no, you've got it wrong... squirty cheese is supposed improve one's
*sitting*.

Why bother with naugahyde?

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
| Its clear that Jim wanted the Mac all along, since he claimed that all
used
| boats have some fatal flaw, and that his wife preferred the interior of
the Mac
| to any other boat that could be had for the same price. I think he only
took
| her to see boats that had been abandoned.

She probably demands the furniture is covered in plastic as well......

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Oh Bobsprit, so serious and leaden! Where has the joie-de-vie
gone? What has happened to the once all-encompassing mass
troller? No wonder we're all left fighting over Jim the Deafer's
berley bucket.

C'mon taddy. Scotty, Ganz, Doug and a few others are still going with the
same
sad trolls and comments. Zero imagination or wit on their part. I'm not
encouraged to beat a dead horse any further. Meanwhile, people like Ozzy,
Jeff,
Mooron and others actually have valuable info and ideas. Too often they
get
burried in the swamps of Alt.Sailing.Asa. There's NOTHING mundane about
real
boat talk.


Oi!!!

Have I offended you? Why didn't you mention me in your polite(lame) troll?


Regards


Donal
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