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Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
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Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
jim cate is a putz. and he likes being a putz.
http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._34_ft_vs_ODay _34_172742.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jim cate is a putz. and he likes being a putz. http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._34_ft_vs_ODay _34_172742.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com How do you know when Jim Cate is lying? His lips move. |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Hax stated: jim cate is a putz. and he likes being a putz.
He can't be a putz. Neal isn't here to putzate him.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Jonathan Ganz wrote: http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._172742.htm l Actually, the link is further evidence confirming the fact that I have been telling the truth about considering other boats before finally deciding on the Mac 26M late last month. Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._ft_vs_ODay_34 _172742.html Actually, the link is further evidence that you're a moronic cretin. confirming the fact that I have been considering other boats before finally deciding on the Mac 26M late last month. just when you thought he couldn't look any dumber. |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Nope. It proves you're a liar.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Jonathan Ganz wrote: http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._172742.htm l Actually, the link is further evidence confirming the fact that I have been telling the truth about considering other boats before finally deciding on the Mac 26M late last month. Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Scott Vernon wrote: http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._ft_vs_ODay_34 _172742.html Actually, the link is further evidence that you're a moronic cretin. confirming the fact that I have been considering other boats before finally deciding on the Mac 26M late last month. just when you thought he couldn't look any dumber. I liked the Cal 34, and I would have been willing to put up with its problems and consider it a "project boat," since it needed a complete refurbishing of the interior, new headliner, upholstery, etc. - I had mixed emotions about it, since I wouldn't be able to enjoy the versatility and various other advantages available with the Mac. My wife, however, didn't want to get into the "project boat" thing, and definitely didn't like the somewhat messy interior of the Cal. The O'Day had potentially expensive engine problems. There were also several other used boats that we also looked at, but all of them seemed to have one or more potentially serious repair issues. Later that month, I looked into the Mac again, and inspected one at the local dealer, and placed an order (on March 25). - Where's the inconsistency, Benz? I told you all along that I was considering several different boats, including the Cal and the Mac. As I have explained previously, I never thought that the Mac 26M was a perfect boat suitable for all applications, and I never claimed that it would sail faster or more smoothly then a large displacement boat, or that it would be a great choice for a transatlantic crossing. My point has been that the discussions regarding the Mac have been so unbalanced as to be almost ludicrous, even libelous, and that the the boat has a lot of good qualities and unique advantages that haven't been fairly considered. Further, as noted in the Pracital Sailor article regarding the previous X model, its owners are pleased with it, and they get lots of pleasure sailing it, according to the PC article. - I know that some people buy finely built, fast, large boats and enjoy the fact that they can brag about being able to get that extra half-knot of speed, or the fact that THEY COULD sail it anywhere they wanted to, if they had time. But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more important factor? Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water
conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more important factor? Sailing is all that matters. The amount of time on the water. If we enjoyed driving, it wouldn't matter what kind of car we had, so long as it worked. The Veridican |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
"Veridican" wrote If we enjoyed driving, it wouldn't matter what kind of car we had, so long as it worked. That's a stupid statement. |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please.
SV "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._ft_vs_ODay_34 _172742.html Actually, the link is further evidence that you're a moronic cretin. confirming the fact that I have been considering other boats before finally deciding on the Mac 26M late last month. just when you thought he couldn't look any dumber. I liked the Cal 34, and I would have been willing to put up with its problems and consider it a "project boat," since it needed a complete refurbishing of the interior, new headliner, upholstery, etc. - I had mixed emotions about it, since I wouldn't be able to enjoy the versatility and various other advantages available with the Mac. My wife, however, didn't want to get into the "project boat" thing, and definitely didn't like the somewhat messy interior of the Cal. The O'Day had potentially expensive engine problems. There were also several other used boats that we also looked at, but all of them seemed to have one or more potentially serious repair issues. Later that month, I looked into the Mac again, and inspected one at the local dealer, and placed an order (on March 25). - Where's the inconsistency, Benz? I told you all along that I was considering several different boats, including the Cal and the Mac. As I have explained previously, I never thought that the Mac 26M was a perfect boat suitable for all applications, and I never claimed that it would sail faster or more smoothly then a large displacement boat, or that it would be a great choice for a transatlantic crossing. My point has been that the discussions regarding the Mac have been so unbalanced as to be almost ludicrous, even libelous, and that the the boat has a lot of good qualities and unique advantages that haven't been fairly considered. Further, as noted in the Pracital Sailor article regarding the previous X model, its owners are pleased with it, and they get lots of pleasure sailing it, according to the PC article. - I know that some people buy finely built, fast, large boats and enjoy the fact that they can brag about being able to get that extra half-knot of speed, or the fact that THEY COULD sail it anywhere they wanted to, if they had time. But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more important factor? Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
"Jim Cate" wrote ... But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more important factor? It is for me, that's why I don't ''sail'' a Mac26Mx. SV |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Scott Vernon wrote: define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please. $5,000.00 SV "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: http://www.boating-forum.com/crusing..._ft_vs_ODay_34 _172742.html Actually, the link is further evidence that you're a moronic cretin. confirming the fact that I have been considering other boats before finally deciding on the Mac 26M late last month. just when you thought he couldn't look any dumber. I liked the Cal 34, and I would have been willing to put up with its problems and consider it a "project boat," since it needed a complete refurbishing of the interior, new headliner, upholstery, etc. - I had mixed emotions about it, since I wouldn't be able to enjoy the versatility and various other advantages available with the Mac. My wife, however, didn't want to get into the "project boat" thing, and definitely didn't like the somewhat messy interior of the Cal. The O'Day had potentially expensive engine problems. There were also several other used boats that we also looked at, but all of them seemed to have one or more potentially serious repair issues. Later that month, I looked into the Mac again, and inspected one at the local dealer, and placed an order (on March 25). - Where's the inconsistency, Benz? I told you all along that I was considering several different boats, including the Cal and the Mac. As I have explained previously, I never thought that the Mac 26M was a perfect boat suitable for all applications, and I never claimed that it would sail faster or more smoothly then a large displacement boat, or that it would be a great choice for a transatlantic crossing. My point has been that the discussions regarding the Mac have been so unbalanced as to be almost ludicrous, even libelous, and that the the boat has a lot of good qualities and unique advantages that haven't been fairly considered. Further, as noted in the Pracital Sailor article regarding the previous X model, its owners are pleased with it, and they get lots of pleasure sailing it, according to the PC article. - I know that some people buy finely built, fast, large boats and enjoy the fact that they can brag about being able to get that extra half-knot of speed, or the fact that THEY COULD sail it anywhere they wanted to, if they had time. But for most of us, isn't being able to get out on the water conveniently and quickly and getting pleasure sailing the boat and enjoying getting out on the water with friends or family the more important factor? Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
that's a definition?
"Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please. $5,000.00 |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Scott Vernon wrote: that's a definition? To most people, $5,000 is a "potentially expensive problem." Jim The "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please. $5,000.00 |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Are bank tellers aware of this?
"Jim Duck" quacked To most people, $5,000 is a "potentially expensive problem." Jimbo |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
To most people, Macs are lousy boats.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: that's a definition? To most people, $5,000 is a "potentially expensive problem." Jim The "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: define ''potentially expensive engine problems'', please. $5,000.00 |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Jonathan Ganz wrote: To most people, Macs are lousy boats. The discussion seems to have veered substantially from my initial thesis, and many of the recent notes (particularly yours, Ganz) are no more than vindictive, personal attacks, and getting more so by the hour. (Of course, if you don't have anything substantive to say in the first place......) The underlying thesis is that both the MacGregor 26M and larger, displacement boats have good and bad characteristics, and each has capabilities that the other doesn't. For example, longer, heavier displcacement boats such as the Valiant 40 can sail faster, point higher, and manage heavy seas well, up to a point. On the other hand, it's difficult to navigate through shallow waters, or follow poorly kept channels that are shallow or silting, etc. Its utility is also limited by the fact that it can't sail or motor faster than its hull speed (unless you are surfing down a large wave.) The MacGregor, of course, can motor through very shallow water, and anchor in less than 1.5 feet of water, permitting the grandkids to swim and enjoy playing in the water. Or, it can be beached, for a picnic, or motored through shallow bay waters. One of the more significant advantages of the MacGregor 26M is the fact that it addresses one of the most basic human limitations, limited time. Most of us work for a living, and most of us have many other responsibilities vying for our limited free time. In this respect, the Mac has it all over the Valiant. - As previously mentioned, in our region in the Galveston Bay area northwest of Galveston, it takes around four hours to motor from the marinas to the ship channel and down to Galveston, and even more time to get out to the blue water. (There are very few marinas located near the Gulf, and 99% of boat owners leave their boats in the many marinas in Kemah or Seabrook.) In contrast, the Mac can get from our marinas to the blue water far more quickly, making it feasible to get out to blue water sailing in less than two hours. In one day one can motor down, sail, visit Galveston restaurants and shops if desired, and then return to the Kemah marinas. Thus, time limitations relative to weekend sailing are substantially overcome. Similarly, the design of the boat makes it possible to motor out to other portions of the bays quickly, and sail, fish, swim, picnic, etc., and then return, in one afternoon. Again, time limitations experienced with larger boats are substantially mitigated. Also, although 99% of the displacement sailboats in our area seldom leave the bay, the Mac permits sailing in an entirely different part of the the State, several hundred miles away, because it can be conveniently trailered to the desired area. - Again, time limitations are overcome, and a variety of new sailing areas are made conveniently available. Of course, you can say that you don't care about time limitations, and that you would rather have a large displacement boat despite its shortcomings. However, the fact remains that most of the owners of displacement boats in this area that I have spoken with tell me that they seldom find the time to take their boats out, and almost never have time to take them out to the blue water. My own conclusion is that it's better to sail slightly slower, and point slightly farther off, then to seldom sail at all. I would rather be able to say: "I went sailing yesterday and really enjoyed it, and did lots of interesting things...." Instead of: "Well I didn't have time to go sailing this weekend, but I COULD HAVE, and if I did have the time, I COULD HAVE sailed faster and pointed higher than you." Whether it is more important to point higher or sail more often and more conveniently and with greater variety is, of course, a personal judgment. But there can be no question that the Mac has significant advantages over most displacement boats, for most users. Clearly, obviously, certainly, and without question, except to those whose minds are closed. Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... The discussion seems to have veered substantially from my initial thesis, and many of the recent notes (particularly yours, Ganz) are no more than vindictive, personal attacks, and getting more so by the hour. Which you don't. So, what's your point? (Of course, if you don't have anything substantive to say in the first place......) bs deleted |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:44:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation. We're just hoping you will leave. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Yeh, well, we all have our fantasies... like your other one
for young boys. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:44:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation. We're just hoping you will leave. Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Jonathan Ganz wrote: You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation. As can you. Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Horvath wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:44:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation. We're just hoping you will leave. Not a chance. I'm having too much fun. Jim Screw the rules! They're more like guidelines, anyways. |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Which means he's about to blow a gasket...
Not a chance. I'm having too much fun. Jim |
Proof that Jim Cate is a liar
Absolutely true. Clearly, you're in deep trouble here, which
is why I made the statement. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Jonathan Ganz wrote: You can leave any time you like if you don't like the conversation. As can you. Jim |
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