Seeing the future or what?
 

According to this mornings news Nadar is running. DNC is running scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition. They did say there are some
issues that Nadar could raise that wouldn't otherwise be raised. WHY
wouldn't those issues be raised unless he runs? Hmmmmmm. They also bluntly
said they don't want his legacy to be one of re-electing Bush. But they are
stopping short of anything meaningful. Course when Kerry takes over the
party that could change. Remember his campaign theme song "Seasons Change
and So do I, You need not wonder why. I've no time left for you."

Remember the Greens destroyed Gore in ultra liberal Oregon and became a
registered major party as a result. What they did there they can do
elsewhere.

The Libertarians destroyed Republicans in neighboring Washington and became
a registered major party as a result. What they did there they can do
elsewhere.

Looks like we may get a two party if not multi party system after all
instead of the two sided one party system we have now.

You heard the prediction first here . . .I'll repeat it. The Democrats
won't coalesce with the Greens. Instead they'll offer sops and demand the
Greens come to them. If the Democrats put Green demands verbatim in their
party platform they will lose more than they gain. The Greens won't settle
for a partial loaf. But the Greens will make major party status in a few
more states as a result figuring they are better off treating 2004 as a
'team building' year.

The Republicans will offer the Libertarians a meaningful role in a coalition
and put some of, but not all the Libertarian goals in their party platform.
The Libertarians having shown they can effect real change will gain in a
meaningful way and 2004 will be a team building year. They will elect
people locally and make gains nationally because they realize part of the
loaf is a huge gain compared to none of the loaf.

In future the Republicans have only to keep their deal with the Libs to keep
their support in a majority coalition.

The Democrats . . . . ? Will lose seats at every level and wonder why?
Change that. Seasons Change . . don't wonder why.

The face of politics is a-changing . . . . bout time.

M.

Seeing the future or what?
 

Nadar is an idiot. I used to have some respect for him, now nothing.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:19:10 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

According to this mornings news Nadar is running. DNC is running scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition. They did say there are some
issues that Nadar could raise that wouldn't otherwise be raised. WHY
wouldn't those issues be raised unless he runs? Hmmmmmm. They also
bluntly
said they don't want his legacy to be one of re-electing Bush. But they
are
stopping short of anything meaningful. Course when Kerry takes over the
party that could change. Remember his campaign theme song "Seasons
Change
and So do I, You need not wonder why. I've no time left for you."

Remember the Greens destroyed Gore in ultra liberal Oregon and became a
registered major party as a result. What they did there they can do
elsewhere.


Um, Nader was more or less booted by the Green Party. They said they would
let
him run if he promised to only get on the ballot in states where the
democratic
candidate would not be in danger if there was a spoiler on the ballot.
Egomaniacal Nitwit Nadir wouldn't agree to that condition, so they told
him to
go away.

My guess is that if he becomes a candidate, someone will back over him 20
or 30
times in a Corvair to put an end to his nonsense.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

Could be, but he is to the Democrats as Buchanan was to the Perotistas. It
matters not what you think of him. It only matters to those few, very few,
who hold the balance of power in their voting hands. The percentage of
difference between Democrats and Republicans is so miniscule that it takes
only a few like Nadar, or the Libertarians to push the winds of change one
way or another. It matters not what you think of Nader, or any of the other
small political parties. The realpolitik is they, and not you, and not the
Republicans hold the balance of power in their hands. The answer, my friend
Jonathan, is truly blowing in the wind. It's not 'come the revolution'
anymore. It's here.

M.


(Damn I'm good when I get going. . . . . . . ..) One day you all will be
proud to mention you knew me when! Either that or DSK will puncture my
ego-centric opinions! Gotta love that sailors intellect!

Bilge Keels Forever! They keep your life upright!



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nadar is an idiot. I used to have some respect for him, now nothing.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:19:10 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

According to this mornings news Nadar is running. DNC is running
scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition. They did say there are
some
issues that Nadar could raise that wouldn't otherwise be raised. WHY
wouldn't those issues be raised unless he runs? Hmmmmmm. They also
bluntly
said they don't want his legacy to be one of re-electing Bush. But
they
are
stopping short of anything meaningful. Course when Kerry takes over
the
party that could change. Remember his campaign theme song "Seasons
Change
and So do I, You need not wonder why. I've no time left for you."

Remember the Greens destroyed Gore in ultra liberal Oregon and became a
registered major party as a result. What they did there they can do
elsewhere.


Um, Nader was more or less booted by the Green Party. They said they
would
let
him run if he promised to only get on the ballot in states where the
democratic
candidate would not be in danger if there was a spoiler on the ballot.
Egomaniacal Nitwit Nadir wouldn't agree to that condition, so they told
him to
go away.

My guess is that if he becomes a candidate, someone will back over him
20
or 30
times in a Corvair to put an end to his nonsense.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

The revolution will not be televised.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Could be, but he is to the Democrats as Buchanan was to the Perotistas. It
matters not what you think of him. It only matters to those few, very few,
who hold the balance of power in their voting hands. The percentage of
difference between Democrats and Republicans is so miniscule that it takes
only a few like Nadar, or the Libertarians to push the winds of change one
way or another. It matters not what you think of Nader, or any of the
other
small political parties. The realpolitik is they, and not you, and not
the
Republicans hold the balance of power in their hands. The answer, my
friend
Jonathan, is truly blowing in the wind. It's not 'come the revolution'
anymore. It's here.

M.


(Damn I'm good when I get going. . . . . . . ..) One day you all will be
proud to mention you knew me when! Either that or DSK will puncture my
ego-centric opinions! Gotta love that sailors intellect!

Bilge Keels Forever! They keep your life upright!



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nadar is an idiot. I used to have some respect for him, now nothing.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:19:10 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

According to this mornings news Nadar is running. DNC is running
scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition. They did say there are
some
issues that Nadar could raise that wouldn't otherwise be raised. WHY
wouldn't those issues be raised unless he runs? Hmmmmmm. They also
bluntly
said they don't want his legacy to be one of re-electing Bush. But
they
are
stopping short of anything meaningful. Course when Kerry takes over
the
party that could change. Remember his campaign theme song "Seasons
Change
and So do I, You need not wonder why. I've no time left for you."

Remember the Greens destroyed Gore in ultra liberal Oregon and became
a
registered major party as a result. What they did there they can do
elsewhere.


Um, Nader was more or less booted by the Green Party. They said they
would
let
him run if he promised to only get on the ballot in states where the
democratic
candidate would not be in danger if there was a spoiler on the ballot.
Egomaniacal Nitwit Nadir wouldn't agree to that condition, so they
told
him to
go away.

My guess is that if he becomes a candidate, someone will back over him
20
or 30
times in a Corvair to put an end to his nonsense.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

No. It will be carried in the new major media. Talk Radio. TV is for those
who can't think for themselves.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
The revolution will not be televised.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Could be, but he is to the Democrats as Buchanan was to the Perotistas.
It
matters not what you think of him. It only matters to those few, very
few,
who hold the balance of power in their voting hands. The percentage of
difference between Democrats and Republicans is so miniscule that it
takes
only a few like Nadar, or the Libertarians to push the winds of change
one
way or another. It matters not what you think of Nader, or any of the
other
small political parties. The realpolitik is they, and not you, and not
the
Republicans hold the balance of power in their hands. The answer, my
friend
Jonathan, is truly blowing in the wind. It's not 'come the revolution'
anymore. It's here.

M.


(Damn I'm good when I get going. . . . . . . ..) One day you all will
be
proud to mention you knew me when! Either that or DSK will puncture my
ego-centric opinions! Gotta love that sailors intellect!

Bilge Keels Forever! They keep your life upright!



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nadar is an idiot. I used to have some respect for him, now nothing.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:19:10 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

According to this mornings news Nadar is running. DNC is running
scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition. They did say there
are
some
issues that Nadar could raise that wouldn't otherwise be raised.
WHY
wouldn't those issues be raised unless he runs? Hmmmmmm. They
also
bluntly
said they don't want his legacy to be one of re-electing Bush. But
they
are
stopping short of anything meaningful. Course when Kerry takes
over
the
party that could change. Remember his campaign theme song "Seasons
Change
and So do I, You need not wonder why. I've no time left for you."

Remember the Greens destroyed Gore in ultra liberal Oregon and
became
a
registered major party as a result. What they did there they can
do
elsewhere.


Um, Nader was more or less booted by the Green Party. They said they
would
let
him run if he promised to only get on the ballot in states where the
democratic
candidate would not be in danger if there was a spoiler on the
ballot.
Egomaniacal Nitwit Nadir wouldn't agree to that condition, so they
told
him to
go away.

My guess is that if he becomes a candidate, someone will back over
him
20
or 30
times in a Corvair to put an end to his nonsense.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

Mike, don't be a TV snob. There are lots , well, several good programs and
movies on TV. Just last night I watched a show about the CG and pilots on
the Columbia bar.

Scotty

"Michael" wrote...
TV is for those
who can't think for themselves.

Seeing the future or what?
 

Michael wrote:

According to this mornings news Nadar is running.

Gee, did the Republicans hand him a few million dollars for his
campaign... again...

...DNC is running scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition.

The Republican and Democratic parties are both coalitions already.

DSK

Seeing the future or what?
 

That's true. I'll list the good channels. History, Discovery, National
Geo., uuuhhhh, Weather Channel, some sports if you are interested in those
particular sports, OLN, Travel, I'm running out of ideas here . . . . .the
occasional movie. . . . I'm sure I missed a few but you get the idea.

We don't get any of them at sea. I found out I don't miss them at all. I
have to admit while I'm staying in the motel before flying out I am watching
some of the classic movies so that channel makes the list and to be
perfectly honest Tommy Lee Jones in Volcano is on even as we type!

But my original statment stands. TV is primarily geared for entertainment
for mindless people and that includes the bulk of the new programs. Plus I
freakin' despise the ads because of the volume changes.

I tried one of these 'divorced from reality' shows. Is this a joke or what?
BOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG but definitely for mindless idiots.

With radio be it the NPR variety or the talk radio variety you have to
think. The only shortcoming to radio (and I'm leaving out the music
channels of course) is the senseless talk fast whatever it is at the end of
the ads. What are they trying to cover up? All that garbage tells me
there's a catch or it's just a scam to begin with.

Back to TV. Where can you find the greatest use of plastic in the world?
Behind any TV anchor desk regardless of sex.

I'm not a snob about such things. With rare exceptions such as those noted
above I actively dislike the boob tube. Which brings us back to the use of
plastic.

M.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Mike, don't be a TV snob. There are lots , well, several good programs and
movies on TV. Just last night I watched a show about the CG and pilots on
the Columbia bar.

Scotty

"Michael" wrote...
TV is for those
who can't think for themselves.

Seeing the future or what?
 

"DSK" The Republican and Democratic parties are both coalitions already.

DSK


True. Unfortunately we need more than one party to make a two party system.

M.

Voting for the lesser of two evils only makes you a person who supports
evil.

Seeing the future or what?
 

Michael wrote:
Voting for the lesser of two evils only makes you a person who supports
evil.

Not at all. It makes you a person who cares enough to go out and vote.
If more people did, things would be different.

DSK

Seeing the future or what?
 

A&E, PBS, Fox........just testing.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
That's true. I'll list the good channels. History, Discovery, National
Geo., uuuhhhh, Weather Channel, some sports if you are interested in
those
particular sports, OLN, Travel, I'm running out of ideas here . . . . .the
occasional movie. . . . I'm sure I missed a few but you get the idea.

We don't get any of them at sea. I found out I don't miss them at all. I
have to admit while I'm staying in the motel before flying out I am
watching
some of the classic movies so that channel makes the list and to be
perfectly honest Tommy Lee Jones in Volcano is on even as we type!

But my original statment stands. TV is primarily geared for entertainment
for mindless people and that includes the bulk of the new programs. Plus
I
freakin' despise the ads because of the volume changes.

I tried one of these 'divorced from reality' shows. Is this a joke or
what?
BOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG but definitely for mindless idiots.

With radio be it the NPR variety or the talk radio variety you have to
think. The only shortcoming to radio (and I'm leaving out the music
channels of course) is the senseless talk fast whatever it is at the end
of
the ads. What are they trying to cover up? All that garbage tells me
there's a catch or it's just a scam to begin with.

Back to TV. Where can you find the greatest use of plastic in the world?
Behind any TV anchor desk regardless of sex.

I'm not a snob about such things. With rare exceptions such as those
noted
above I actively dislike the boob tube. Which brings us back to the use of
plastic.

M.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Mike, don't be a TV snob. There are lots , well, several good programs
and
movies on TV. Just last night I watched a show about the CG and pilots
on
the Columbia bar.

Scotty

"Michael" wrote...
TV is for those
who can't think for themselves.

Seeing the future or what?
 

How many is that so far?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
A&E, PBS, Fox........just testing.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
That's true. I'll list the good channels. History, Discovery, National
Geo., uuuhhhh, Weather Channel, some sports if you are interested in
those
particular sports, OLN, Travel, I'm running out of ideas here . . . .
..the
occasional movie. . . . I'm sure I missed a few but you get the idea.

We don't get any of them at sea. I found out I don't miss them at all.
I
have to admit while I'm staying in the motel before flying out I am
watching
some of the classic movies so that channel makes the list and to be
perfectly honest Tommy Lee Jones in Volcano is on even as we type!

But my original statment stands. TV is primarily geared for
entertainment
for mindless people and that includes the bulk of the new programs.
Plus
I
freakin' despise the ads because of the volume changes.

I tried one of these 'divorced from reality' shows. Is this a joke or
what?
BOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG but definitely for mindless idiots.

With radio be it the NPR variety or the talk radio variety you have to
think. The only shortcoming to radio (and I'm leaving out the music
channels of course) is the senseless talk fast whatever it is at the end
of
the ads. What are they trying to cover up? All that garbage tells me
there's a catch or it's just a scam to begin with.

Back to TV. Where can you find the greatest use of plastic in the
world?
Behind any TV anchor desk regardless of sex.

I'm not a snob about such things. With rare exceptions such as those
noted
above I actively dislike the boob tube. Which brings us back to the use
of
plastic.

M.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Mike, don't be a TV snob. There are lots , well, several good programs
and
movies on TV. Just last night I watched a show about the CG and
pilots
on
the Columbia bar.

Scotty

"Michael" wrote...
TV is for those
who can't think for themselves.

Seeing the future or what?
 

I guess you missed the reference. Do a google on it.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
No. It will be carried in the new major media. Talk Radio. TV is for
those
who can't think for themselves.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
The revolution will not be televised.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Could be, but he is to the Democrats as Buchanan was to the
Perotistas.
It
matters not what you think of him. It only matters to those few, very
few,
who hold the balance of power in their voting hands. The percentage
of
difference between Democrats and Republicans is so miniscule that it
takes
only a few like Nadar, or the Libertarians to push the winds of change
one
way or another. It matters not what you think of Nader, or any of the
other
small political parties. The realpolitik is they, and not you, and
not
the
Republicans hold the balance of power in their hands. The answer, my
friend
Jonathan, is truly blowing in the wind. It's not 'come the
revolution'
anymore. It's here.

M.


(Damn I'm good when I get going. . . . . . . ..) One day you all will
be
proud to mention you knew me when! Either that or DSK will puncture my
ego-centric opinions! Gotta love that sailors intellect!

Bilge Keels Forever! They keep your life upright!



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Nadar is an idiot. I used to have some respect for him, now nothing.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:19:10 -0800, "Michael"

wrote:

According to this mornings news Nadar is running. DNC is running
scared.
But they aren't willing to make a coalition. They did say there
are
some
issues that Nadar could raise that wouldn't otherwise be raised.
WHY
wouldn't those issues be raised unless he runs? Hmmmmmm. They
also
bluntly
said they don't want his legacy to be one of re-electing Bush.
But
they
are
stopping short of anything meaningful. Course when Kerry takes
over
the
party that could change. Remember his campaign theme song
"Seasons
Change
and So do I, You need not wonder why. I've no time left for
you."

Remember the Greens destroyed Gore in ultra liberal Oregon and
became
a
registered major party as a result. What they did there they can
do
elsewhere.


Um, Nader was more or less booted by the Green Party. They said
they
would
let
him run if he promised to only get on the ballot in states where
the
democratic
candidate would not be in danger if there was a spoiler on the
ballot.
Egomaniacal Nitwit Nadir wouldn't agree to that condition, so they
told
him to
go away.

My guess is that if he becomes a candidate, someone will back over
him
20
or 30
times in a Corvair to put an end to his nonsense.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

Exactly right.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:16:16 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

Voting for the lesser of two evils only makes you a person who supports
evil.





If you didn't wait until the last minute to get involved, you might help
avoid
having to choose the lesser of two evils.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

7? Then there's people like bob who can't be without a TV for one night.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
How many is that so far?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
A&E, PBS, Fox........just testing.

SV


"Michael" wrote in message
...
That's true. I'll list the good channels. History, Discovery,
National
Geo., uuuhhhh, Weather Channel, some sports if you are interested in
those
particular sports, OLN, Travel, I'm running out of ideas here . . . .
.the
occasional movie. . . . I'm sure I missed a few but you get the idea.

We don't get any of them at sea. I found out I don't miss them at all.
I
have to admit while I'm staying in the motel before flying out I am
watching
some of the classic movies so that channel makes the list and to be
perfectly honest Tommy Lee Jones in Volcano is on even as we type!

But my original statment stands. TV is primarily geared for
entertainment
for mindless people and that includes the bulk of the new programs.
Plus
I
freakin' despise the ads because of the volume changes.

I tried one of these 'divorced from reality' shows. Is this a joke or
what?
BOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG but definitely for mindless idiots.

With radio be it the NPR variety or the talk radio variety you have to
think. The only shortcoming to radio (and I'm leaving out the music
channels of course) is the senseless talk fast whatever it is at the
end
of
the ads. What are they trying to cover up? All that garbage tells me
there's a catch or it's just a scam to begin with.

Back to TV. Where can you find the greatest use of plastic in the
world?
Behind any TV anchor desk regardless of sex.

I'm not a snob about such things. With rare exceptions such as those
noted
above I actively dislike the boob tube. Which brings us back to the
use
of
plastic.

M.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Mike, don't be a TV snob. There are lots , well, several good
programs
and
movies on TV. Just last night I watched a show about the CG and
pilots
on
the Columbia bar.

Scotty

"Michael" wrote...
TV is for those
who can't think for themselves.

Seeing the future or what?
 

Whose been waiting. I do this 24/7/365 for decades. Beats waiting for
Carville or his counterpart at RNC to give you your marching orders. Not
like you all have a real choice is it? Vote for this elitist gazillionaire
or for that elitist gazillionaire. What real choice doyou have? You will
be told to vote for Bush or vote for Kerrey. Thats ALL the choice you get.
Never mind why? Just do what you are told and 'shut up'. What kind of
democracy is THAT? By the way that's a small 'd'. You do not live in a
Democracy, it's never been one, never will be one.

Come to think of it if given the earlier choice between George and George
who would you have chosen?

M.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:16:16 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

Voting for the lesser of two evils only makes you a person who supports
evil.





If you didn't wait until the last minute to get involved, you might help
avoid
having to choose the lesser of two evils.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

I guess that irrelevent red herring swam right by me. Was it supposed to be
germane to the discussion, or just easier than thinking up as real answer?

Oh well . . . .



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:58:43 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

Whose been waiting. I do this 24/7/365 for decades. Beats waiting for
Carville or his counterpart at RNC to give you your marching orders. Not
like you all have a real choice is it? Vote for this elitist
gazillionaire
or for that elitist gazillionaire. What real choice doyou have? You
will
be told to vote for Bush or vote for Kerrey. Thats ALL the choice you
get.
Never mind why? Just do what you are told and 'shut up'. What kind of
democracy is THAT? By the way that's a small 'd'. You do not live in a
Democracy, it's never been one, never will be one.


Clearly you spend all your time wailing, gnashing your teeth, and wringing
your
hands, and none doing anything constructive about the situation. You have
made a
decision to be a passenger.

BB




wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:16:16 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

Voting for the lesser of two evils only makes you a person who
supports
evil.





If you didn't wait until the last minute to get involved, you might
help
avoid
having to choose the lesser of two evils.

BB

Seeing the future or what?
 

You must be in this world, but be not a part of it.


DSK wrote:
Michael wrote:
Voting for the lesser of two evils only makes you a person who
supports evil.

Not at all. It makes you a person who cares enough to go out and vote.
If more people did, things would be different.

DSK