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I understand your feelings, however, I disagree with
your statement that he wasn't *your* command in chief.
He was. Just as Bush is mine. I would love to see him
in person. I'd love to talk to him. I wouldn't be rude,
because like it or not, he's my president too. Same
with Chumpy and Quayle, an asshole and an idiot, respectively.
One must respect the office not the person who holds it.

"N1EE" wrote in message
m...
When I was in the Air Force, then President
Clinton flew into our base, on more than one
occassion.

Active duty Air Force troops didn't fight for
the opportunity to see him. Mostly civilian
workers, looking for an excuse to goof off,
and women who liked his looks, went to see him.

His visits never sold out, and secretary's were
sent around to try and drum up more interest, to
fill up the hanger when he spoke.

Many, like me, remained at our jobs rather than
wasted our time seeing him. It would have been
but a short walk to see him and I declined.

In fact I was asked if I wanted to see Clinton
several times each visit. I said no. The
response I got was, "He is your commander in chief,
don't you want to see him?"

My reply was, "He is not MY commander in chief."

Many people in the military felt as I did.

During the period I was on active duty, only
President Clinton was held in such low regard.
Carter, Reagan, Ford, and Bush, were all held
in high regard and admired. Only in the case
of Clinton were people outspoken against him.

Bart Senior



"The Carrolls" wrote

so you are an air trarric controller? Oh wait, I forgot, they were the
only
union to endorse Regan, and look what he did to them. You had better
preach
to your union brothers and sisters if that is the vote you expect. A man
with 3 Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver star can tell Guard any
thing he chooses.

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I met Reagan. Interesting guy. Didn't like his policies for many
things but he was worth meeting. He was very nice, even though
I had long hair at the time.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I went to see Nixon when he came to a town near us.

It got us out of skool for the day.

Scotty

Oz wrote in message ...
On 10 Feb 2004 13:22:09 -0800, (N1EE)
scribbled thusly:


During the period I was on active duty, only
President Clinton was held in such low regard.
Carter, Reagan, Ford, and Bush, were all held
in high regard and admired. Only in the case
of Clinton were people outspoken against him.

Bart Senior

They were jealous because he was gettin some?

Ain't it funny how Nixon never gets a mention?
It's almost like the american psyche has erased him.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Which Reminds ME. I just found some old albums converted to CD from That
particular era. 13 floor Elevators, Quicksilver Messenger Service,
Lighthouse, and of course ELO, Buddy Miles Express among others. Last week
did a sort of sabbatical since I was near these places and saw Janis J.'s
home town and the town in Lousiana where the redneck scenes of Peter
Fonda's greatest (only?) movie was filmed. Turns out both were just a few
miles from places we docked. I do miss the 60's and surrounding years when
we had real music.

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Right on...

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
so you are an air trarric controller? Oh wait, I forgot, they were the
only
union to endorse Regan, and look what he did to them. You had better
preach
to your union brothers and sisters if that is the vote you expect. A man
with 3 Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver star can tell Guard any
thing he chooses.
"Michael" wrote in message
...
But no one cares about that except the former 'major media, a few
apparatchiks, and some groupie sluts. The only UN approved critieria
was
Iraq had to show they didn't have them. Whether they existed or not
is
not
germane. The whole non-issue is 'silly' at best.

Instead let's address serious issues. What about those non-existent
mass
graves in Kosovo? Also the troops in Kosovo want to know, "Is it
Christmas
yet?" Still waiting for an answer to those questions. What WAS the
real
reason for the invasion of that country? The only answers were a) The
President sent them so you have to support the President b) Mass
Graves
(never found) and c) to make sure all sides can live together
peacefully
(a
complete failure.)

They were also asking when the DNC was going to stop a.
disenfranchising
them. and b. insulting them. (a. New Jersey in the Lautenberger
scandal
and Flordia during the last Presidential election comes immediately to
mind.
b. Kerry telling all the reservists and National Guard their service
isn't
worth squat and the eight years of Clintonistas where we learned that
NO
military service matters at all.

Come to think of it the DNC better keep disencranchising the military.
The
usual 70% anti Democrat vote of the military is increasing by leaps
and
bounds. You see those of us who wore and who wear the uniform have a
real
long, very clear memory; and a lot of scores to settle.

Now on the union side of things I can't speak for all unions but you
can
expect my union to vote against Democrats by a 50 to 55 or more
margin.
The
days of the unions being able to deliver the vote are . . . . .going
going
. ..almost gone.

And in my home area the blue collar working class of Seattle still
talk
about Prince Albert The Man In A Can Who Would Be King and how he
gridlocked
us seven times in two years. Actions speak louder than words.

Have a nice day. I wish the next Prez and Congress could be
Libertarian
but
I'll settle for those who support us, not those 'decent, caring'
people
who
are still 'spitting in airports'.

Michael




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, that and the FACT that Bush lied to the American people and
the rest of the world about WMDs.

"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines.

tedious stuff deleted

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Well I'm not gonna top that Neal Act thats for sure.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Sorry Michael, but things are "safer than under Clinton." Things are
worse,
much worse. Bush got rid of a petty dictator who was no real threat to us.
The vast Muslim community now hates us. Ossama is still around, even
though
he was the one responsible for 9/11. Bush is also responsible for the loss
of
millions of US jobs. He claims that 2.6 million will be created this year.
Unfortunately,
even if that were true, that would only be up to where he started in
office.
The
vast swath of the middle class is much worse off under Bush. The
environment
is being laid to waste.

Neal was busted for trying to fondle a cop in a bar I think. He's due out
any
day now.

"Michael" wrote in message
...
I'm a union delegate (shop steward) for Sailors Union of the Pacific and
we
aren't stupid enough to **** away our union like the ATC did. Our
membership, unlike many, is comprised of people who think for
themselves.
We know there's more money to be made and less taxes to be paid under a
Bush
than under a Gore and it's a lot safer than under a Clinton.

But one thing I do love about the Demo's. Their women are 'EASY'! Find
one
that voted for Bubba twice and still think he's the best thing since
popcorn
and all that's left is a medical evaluation.

That's my Libertarian view on things.

Hey where's Neal? Haven't seen a thing from him in these few days I've
been
back. Damn did he go off to the Bahamas again? Do I have to carry the
load
by myself? This is supposed to be a vacation.

OK . . .sigh .. .here goes.

Respectfully,

Cpt (not a registered trademark) Michael

I don't do it as well as Neal but then . . .no one does.

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I was in Panama and Central America when Carter screwed up Panama an
Nicaragua. They cancelled his visit to the Atlantic/Caribbean side of the
isthmus for two reasons. One is the Secret Service asked us did we know
anyone who was anti-Carter. The answer was sure do you want there names and
addresses? They did so we sent them around the corner to the CZ Admin
Office for a company employment roster. That included the Panamanian
employees, in fact the primary anti Carter people were the Panamanian
employees. At one point everyone in the CZ Police put in for sick leave on
the day he was to fly over.

Michael (also a former CZ Gov't Employee)

When I first read your post it sounded just like Carter.
"N1EE" wrote in message
m...
When I was in the Air Force, then President
Clinton flew into our base, on more than one
occassion.

Active duty Air Force troops didn't fight for
the opportunity to see him. Mostly civilian
workers, looking for an excuse to goof off,
and women who liked his looks, went to see him.

His visits never sold out, and secretary's were
sent around to try and drum up more interest, to
fill up the hanger when he spoke.

Many, like me, remained at our jobs rather than
wasted our time seeing him. It would have been
but a short walk to see him and I declined.

In fact I was asked if I wanted to see Clinton
several times each visit. I said no. The
response I got was, "He is your commander in chief,
don't you want to see him?"

My reply was, "He is not MY commander in chief."

Many people in the military felt as I did.

During the period I was on active duty, only
President Clinton was held in such low regard.
Carter, Reagan, Ford, and Bush, were all held
in high regard and admired. Only in the case
of Clinton were people outspoken against him.

Bart Senior



"The Carrolls" wrote

so you are an air trarric controller? Oh wait, I forgot, they were the
only
union to endorse Regan, and look what he did to them. You had better
preach
to your union brothers and sisters if that is the vote you expect. A man
with 3 Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver star can tell Guard any
thing he chooses.

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Who?

Oz wrote in message ...
On 10 Feb 2004 13:22:09 -0800, (N1EE)
scribbled thusly:


During the period I was on active duty, only
President Clinton was held in such low regard.
Carter, Reagan, Ford, and Bush, were all held
in high regard and admired. Only in the case
of Clinton were people outspoken against him.

Bart Senior

They were jealous because he was gettin some?

Ain't it funny how Nixon never gets a mention?
It's almost like the american psyche has erased him.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Why? Would one expect to respect the office of Chancellor of Germany in say
.. . . .1938? I don't think so. Last President I truly respected was JFK.
(Bet that surprised everyone.)

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I understand your feelings, however, I disagree with
your statement that he wasn't *your* command in chief.
He was. Just as Bush is mine. I would love to see him
in person. I'd love to talk to him. I wouldn't be rude,
because like it or not, he's my president too. Same
with Chumpy and Quayle, an asshole and an idiot, respectively.
One must respect the office not the person who holds it.

"N1EE" wrote in message
m...
When I was in the Air Force, then President
Clinton flew into our base, on more than one
occassion.

Active duty Air Force troops didn't fight for
the opportunity to see him. Mostly civilian
workers, looking for an excuse to goof off,
and women who liked his looks, went to see him.

His visits never sold out, and secretary's were
sent around to try and drum up more interest, to
fill up the hanger when he spoke.

Many, like me, remained at our jobs rather than
wasted our time seeing him. It would have been
but a short walk to see him and I declined.

In fact I was asked if I wanted to see Clinton
several times each visit. I said no. The
response I got was, "He is your commander in chief,
don't you want to see him?"

My reply was, "He is not MY commander in chief."

Many people in the military felt as I did.

During the period I was on active duty, only
President Clinton was held in such low regard.
Carter, Reagan, Ford, and Bush, were all held
in high regard and admired. Only in the case
of Clinton were people outspoken against him.

Bart Senior



"The Carrolls" wrote

so you are an air trarric controller? Oh wait, I forgot, they were the
only
union to endorse Regan, and look what he did to them. You had better
preach
to your union brothers and sisters if that is the vote you expect. A
man
with 3 Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver star can tell Guard
any
thing he chooses.

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"Midnight on the water, I saw the ocean's daughter
Walking on a wave's chicane, staring as she called my name
And I can't get it out of my head . . ."

Eldorado...............


"Michael" wrote in message
...
Which Reminds ME. I just found some old albums converted to CD from That
particular era. 13 floor Elevators, Quicksilver Messenger Service,
Lighthouse, and of course ELO, Buddy Miles Express among others. Last
week
did a sort of sabbatical since I was near these places and saw Janis J.'s
home town and the town in Lousiana where the redneck scenes of Peter
Fonda's greatest (only?) movie was filmed. Turns out both were just a few
miles from places we docked. I do miss the 60's and surrounding years when
we had real music.

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Right on...

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
so you are an air trarric controller? Oh wait, I forgot, they were the
only
union to endorse Regan, and look what he did to them. You had better
preach
to your union brothers and sisters if that is the vote you expect. A
man
with 3 Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver star can tell Guard
any
thing he chooses.
"Michael" wrote in message
...
But no one cares about that except the former 'major media, a few
apparatchiks, and some groupie sluts. The only UN approved
critieria
was
Iraq had to show they didn't have them. Whether they existed or not
is
not
germane. The whole non-issue is 'silly' at best.

Instead let's address serious issues. What about those non-existent
mass
graves in Kosovo? Also the troops in Kosovo want to know, "Is it
Christmas
yet?" Still waiting for an answer to those questions. What WAS the
real
reason for the invasion of that country? The only answers were a)
The
President sent them so you have to support the President b) Mass
Graves
(never found) and c) to make sure all sides can live together
peacefully
(a
complete failure.)

They were also asking when the DNC was going to stop a.
disenfranchising
them. and b. insulting them. (a. New Jersey in the Lautenberger
scandal
and Flordia during the last Presidential election comes immediately
to
mind.
b. Kerry telling all the reservists and National Guard their
service
isn't
worth squat and the eight years of Clintonistas where we learned
that
NO
military service matters at all.

Come to think of it the DNC better keep disencranchising the
military.
The
usual 70% anti Democrat vote of the military is increasing by leaps
and
bounds. You see those of us who wore and who wear the uniform have
a
real
long, very clear memory; and a lot of scores to settle.

Now on the union side of things I can't speak for all unions but you
can
expect my union to vote against Democrats by a 50 to 55 or more
margin.
The
days of the unions being able to deliver the vote are . . . . .going
going
. ..almost gone.

And in my home area the blue collar working class of Seattle still
talk
about Prince Albert The Man In A Can Who Would Be King and how he
gridlocked
us seven times in two years. Actions speak louder than words.

Have a nice day. I wish the next Prez and Congress could be
Libertarian
but
I'll settle for those who support us, not those 'decent, caring'
people
who
are still 'spitting in airports'.

Michael




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, that and the FACT that Bush lied to the American people and
the rest of the world about WMDs.

"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines.

tedious stuff deleted

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So, now you're comparing Clinton to Hitler??? hmmmm....

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Why? Would one expect to respect the office of Chancellor of Germany in
say
. . . .1938? I don't think so. Last President I truly respected was JFK.
(Bet that surprised everyone.)

I liked him only because he did Marilyn.

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Actually No. I was destroying the myth of 'validating the individual by
respecting the office.' It's like the 'lesser of two evils' myth or
silliness. Supporting the lesser of two evils only makes one a supporter of
evil . . .nothing more. Transferring 'respect for an office' to an unworthy
individual only makes one a person who supports unworthy people, nothing
more. The way to 'respect the office' is to staff it with worthy people.
Unfortunately no one 'worthy' becomes a policitician. They are mutually
exclusive.

I fear I mispoke in one regard. 'Myth' is too classical a word in this
particular case. 'Silliness' is all that's deserved.

M.



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, now you're comparing Clinton to Hitler??? hmmmm....

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Why? Would one expect to respect the office of Chancellor of Germany in
say
. . . .1938? I don't think so. Last President I truly respected was
JFK.
(Bet that surprised everyone.)

I liked him only because he did Marilyn.