Bush is now claiming that Iraq was a "gathering threat" after it's been
concluded that now WMD existed, his PRIMARY reason for the war on Iraq.

LIAR LIAR LIAR!


RB

Bush should take blame for listening to and believing CIA estimates,
but every intelligence agency around the world was fooled by Saddam's
bluff on WMD. A year ago, nobody at the UN questioned that significant
WMDs existed in Saddam's Iraq. In fact, WMD death count was cited as
one of the main reasons not to remove Saddam by force. You're ignoring
twelve years of history Bob.

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Kay Says Iraq Likely Had No Banned Arms
Former Top U.S. Inspector Says Iraq Likely Had No Weapons of Mass
Destruction Before the War
The Associated Press
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040125_670.html

WASHINGTON Jan. 25 - The former top U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq said
Sunday he believes Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction
before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. David Kay said the challenge for
the United States now is to figure out why intelligence indicated that
the Iraqi president did have them.

"We led this search to find the truth, not to find the weapons. The
fact that we found so far the weapons do not exist, we've got to deal
with that difference and understand why," Kay said Sunday on the
National Public Radio program "Weekend Edition."

Asked whether he feels President Bush owes the American people an
apology for starting the war on the basis of apparently flawed
intelligence, Kay said: "I actually think the intelligence community
owes the president rather than the president owing the American people.

"You have to remember that this view of Iraq was held during the
Clinton administration and didn't change in the Bush administration. It
is not a political `got you' issue. It is a serious issue of how you
could come to the conclusion that is not matched by the future."

"It's not a political issue. Its an issue of the capabilities of one's
intelligence service to collect valid, truthful information."

Since Kay's resignation Friday as the top U.S. weapons investigator in
Iraq, Kay has said Iraq had no large-scale weapons production program
during the 1990s, after it lost the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and no large
numbers of mass destruction weapons were available for "imminent
action."

Still, "that is not the same thing as saying it was not a serious,
imminent threat," he said Sunday. "That is a political judgment," he
said, "not a technical judgment."

Kay's declaration that weapons of mass destruction did not exist before
the war puts him in direct contradiction with the official Bush
administration position. On Saturday, President Bush's spokesman said
the administration stood by its assertions that Iraq had banned weapons
when U.S. and British forces invaded last March. The spokesman, Scott
McClellan, said it was only a matter of time before inspectors find
them.

Secretary of State Colin Powell, in contrast, held out the possibility
Saturday that prewar Iraq may not have possessed such weapons. "The
answer to that question is, we don't know yet," Powell told reporters
on a trip to Georgia. He said U.S. officials had believed Saddam had
weapons prewar but had unanswered questions: "What was it?" he
asked. "One hundred tons, 500 tons or zero tons? Was it so many liters
of anthrax, 10 times that amount or nothing?"

Kay said he believes the American public and politicians now have to
grapple with the question of whether the Iraqi dictator posed an
imminent threat. Given the reality on the ground, as opposed to
estimates, some may reach different conclusions than they did before
the war, he said.

"I must say I actually think Iraq what we learned during the
inspections made Iraq a more dangerous place potentially than in fact
we thought it was even before the war," Kay added.

Kay came home from Iraq in December and never returned to Baghdad to
continue inspections as head of the Iraq Survey Group, sent by the CIA
to track down Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

CIA Director George Tenet replaced him Friday with Charles Duelfer, the
No. 2 weapons inspector for the United Nations for about seven years.

Kay said he left the position because resources were being shifted from
the search for Iraq's weapons stockpiles to counterterrorism and troop
protection in Iraq.

Duelfer said Friday he has been assured he will have the appropriate
resources.

Kay said he now is going to turn his attention to weapons proliferation
issues and the recent lessons learned.

In addition to Iraq, he pointed out, the United States has been
surprised this year by nuclear programs in Libya and Iran.

"The Iranian program was not found either by the international
inspection agencies or by domestic intelligence services. It was
Iranian defectors, Iranian opposition groups outside of Iran that
brought it to the world's attention," Kay told NPR.

In Libya, he said, the surprise has been the connections to Pakistan
and Malaysia, where he said it appears plants were producing parts.

"It is in many ways the biggest surprise of all, and it was missed,"
Kay said. "We need to understand our capabilities and what needs to be
done to make the nation better."

"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
acolo.com...
Bush should take blame for listening to and believing CIA estimates,
but every intelligence agency around the world was fooled by Saddam's
bluff on WMD.

Nonsense!

Only two countries believed that Saddam had WMD that posed a threat.

A year ago, nobody at the UN questioned that significant
WMDs existed in Saddam's Iraq. In fact, WMD death count was cited as
one of the main reasons not to remove Saddam by force.

More rubbish! If everybody at the UN agreed with you, then why couldn't
you get the "second vote"?

Why couldn't you get the rest of the world to authorise the war?

You're ignoring
twelve years of history Bob.

You're ignoring the rest of the planet, Mr. Anonymous.

Regards


Donal
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You're ignoring the rest of the planet, Mr. Anonymous.


Yup...and thanks, Donal. I actually didn't have the energy this time.
Anyone who doesn't realize by now that Bush lied has to be a clear and present
idiot. Scotty?

RB

On 28 Jan 2004 13:35:58 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
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Bush is now claiming that Iraq was a "gathering threat" after it's been
concluded that now WMD existed,

Ha! Told ya we'd find the WMDs.

his PRIMARY reason for the war on Iraq.

Wrong. It was one of the reasons, another was Saddam's ignoring the
UN resolutions.




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You're ignoring the rest of the planet, Mr. Anonymous.

Yup...and thanks, Donal. I actually didn't have the energy this time.
Anyone who doesn't realize by now that Bush lied has to be a clear
and present
idiot. Scotty?

RB


"Asked whether he feels President Bush owes the American people an
apology for starting the war on the basis of apparently flawed
intelligence, Kay said: 'I actually think the intelligence community
owes the president rather than the president owing the American
people'."

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"If there is anything the nonconformist [Bobsprit or Donal] hates worse
than a conformist, it's another nonconformist [David Kay] who doesn't
conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity." --Bill Vaughan
(1915-1977), columnist.

Horvath wrote:

On 28 Jan 2004 13:35:58 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:



Bush is now claiming that Iraq was a "gathering threat" after it's been
concluded that now WMD existed,


Ha! Told ya we'd find the WMDs.


his PRIMARY reason for the war on Iraq.


Wrong. It was one of the reasons, another was Saddam's ignoring the
UN resolutions.



Which one? Not 1441 -read it yourself!

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You could say, Bush was just too eager to continue Clinton's policy.
That's the worst thing you could say. Saddam finally found out that you
can only step on a sleeping dog's tail so many times before you're
going to need some stitches in your ass.

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Clinton demands total access for U.N. arms inspectors
February 17, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/17/iraq.clinton/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. President Clinton said Tuesday that Washington
still favors a diplomatic solution to the Iraq crisis, but stressed
that any solution must include free and unfettered access for U.N.
weapons inspectors.

"A diplomatic solution must include, or meet, a clear, immutable,
reasonable, simple standard: Iraq must agree -- and soon -- to free,
full, unfettered access to these (inspection) sites anywhere in the
country," Clinton said.

Clinton spoke at the Pentagon, after military leaders briefed him on
preparations for possible strikes. Accompanying him were Vice President
Al Gore, Secretary of Defense William Cohen and Joint Chiefs of Staff
Chairman Gen. Hugh Shelton.

The president urged Americans to be ready for a possible attack on
Iraq, and he warned that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had used
biological weapons against his own people -- and would likely use the
weapons again unless he were prevented from doing so.

Hussein, said the president, "threatens the security of all the rest of
us."

Clinton said Hussein and the Iraqi leadership had repeatedly lied to
the United Nations about the country's weaponry.

"It is obvious that there is an attempt here based on the whole history
of this (weapons inspections) operation since 1991 to protect whatever
remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the
missiles to deliver them and the feedstock necessary to produce them,"
Clinton said.

The president said that after the Gulf War ended in 1991, Iraq admitted
having a massive offensive biological warfare capability, including:

5,000 gallons of Botulinum (causing Botulism)
2,000 gallons of Anthrax
25 biological-filled Scud warheads
157 aerial bombs

Clinton said Iraq still posed a threat to the national security of the
United States and the "freedom-loving world."


'He ... will be to blame for the consequences'


He accused Iraq of trying to thwart U.N. inspections by reinterpreting
the meaning of Gulf War resolutions as to which sites can be inspected,
for how long and by which inspectors.

Clinton, who has ordered military forces to the gulf region in case a
military strike is needed, warned Hussein not to continue to delay or
oppose the U.N. demands on weapons inspections: "He, and he alone, will
be to blame for the consequences."

The president said the U.S. had the military means to achieve the
objective and secure the "vital strategic interests" of the United
States in the Gulf region.

"A military operation cannot destroy all the weapons of mass
destruction capacity. But it can, and will, leave him (Hussein)
significantly worse off than he is now, in terms of the ability to
threaten the world with these weapons or to attack his neighbors,"
Clinton said.

"Force can never be the first answer," he emphasized, "but sometimes
it's the only answer."


Annan trip to Baghdad expected


Iraq, meantime, pledged to make "all serious and legitimate" efforts to
peacefully resolve the crisis.

A statement issued by Hussein's Revolutionary Command Council said Iraq
hopes U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan will "come here with an open
mind and free will" to conduct talks.

Annan, who planned to consult later Tuesday with the five permanent
members of the Security Council, is expected to travel to Baghdad later
in the week, diplomatic sources told CNN. They said Annan would be
carrying a document clearly specifying "red lines beyond which Annan
cannot go" in talks with Iraqi officials.

The document is described by one source as "tactical advice" from the
council's permanent members to Annan. Under it, Annan could offer
Hussein the prospect of modifying the inspection system for strictly
residential buildings within Iraq's so-called "presidential" sites, and
perhaps to leave some strictly residential buildings uninspected.

Reacting to Clinton's speech, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz
denounced the threat of military action.

"The United States doesn't have authorization by the Security Council
to attack Iraq by military means," he told CNN in a telephone interview
from Baghdad.

Washington insists U.N. resolutions in effect since the Gulf War
provide all the authorization needed for an attack.

Aziz also rejected the U.S. assertion that Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction are a threat to neighboring countries.

"Among all our neighbors, only Kuwait has joined the American plan to
attack Iraq," he said. "So if all our neighbors are really threatened
by us, why didn't they join the (U.S.-led) coalition."

You people done under are too violent.

OzOn wrote:
Yeah, but when the sleeping dog wakes up and starts wandering around
foaming at the mouth, you shoot it!
..

You are *truly* an idiot.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 28 Jan 2004 13:35:58 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:



Bush is now claiming that Iraq was a "gathering threat" after it's been
concluded that now WMD existed,

Ha! Told ya we'd find the WMDs.

his PRIMARY reason for the war on Iraq.

Wrong. It was one of the reasons, another was Saddam's ignoring the
UN resolutions.




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