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Nice boat, very impressive. What type sailing does he, will he do?

SV

OzOne wrote in message ...

Friend of mine has ordered a Beneteau 473
http://www.beneteauusa.com/beneteau_series/473.php
with damned near every option and extra that they offer incl the big
motor, extra tall stick and bow thruster.
Delivery in a few months...can't wait for a cruise.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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He races weekends, midweek, does the long ones up the East coast Syd
Mooloolaba, whitsunday race week etc etc.


According to Ganzy, that comfortable boat won't ever leave the dock. It is so
written!

RB

Friend has ordered one of these!
 

How much does one needs to earn in a year to own such a beautiful boat?
I'm not referring to having a million bucks in bank but say if my job pays
me US$70,000 a year, will I be able to afford to buy and maintain this boat?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
He races weekends, midweek, does the long ones up the East coast Syd
Mooloolaba, whitsunday race week etc etc.


According to Ganzy, that comfortable boat won't ever leave the dock. It is
so
written!

RB

Friend has ordered one of these!
 

How much does one needs to earn in a year to own such a beautiful boat?
I'm not referring to having a million bucks in bank but say if my job pays
me US$70,000 a year, will I be able to afford to buy and maintain this boat?


If you make 70K a year you can probably own a nice mid eighties Pearson or C&C
costing 35-50K, depending on what you drive and other factors of course. Some
folks say 70K equals 70K, meaning you can afford the boat that equals what you
make in a year, but I say about 20% less.

RB

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Only if you don't waste your money on crappy home entertainment junk and bad
cameras, eat too much,and are lazy like bob.


"Bobsprit" wrote

If you make 70K a year you can probably own a nice mid eighties Pearson or
C&C
costing 35-50K, depending on what you drive and other factors of course.
Some
folks say 70K equals 70K, meaning you can afford the boat that equals what
you
make in a year, but I say about 20% less.

RB

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"nova" wrote in message
...
How much does one needs to earn in a year to own such a beautiful boat?
I'm not referring to having a million bucks in bank but say if my job pays
me US$70,000 a year, will I be able to afford to buy and maintain this
boat?



I've heard that ownership costs about 10% of the new price excluding any
loan repayments.

A big chunk will be the berthing fees. If you can get a cheap mooring, you
can cut the cost almost in half.


So, if you saved up 10% of the cost last year, and you have enough money to
buy the boat outright, then you can possibly afford it.


Regards


Donal
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This fully explains Scotty's 5K Siedelmann! Thanks for clearing that
up.

Damn, Bill, that was horribly sharp, mean, uncalled for, on target and
below-the-belt.
Wish I'd said it!

RB

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very good bill, now how much is $250 times 3?

The cost of your house?

RB

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very good bill, now how much is $250 times 3?


wrote

This fully explains Scotty's 5K Siedelmann! Thanks for clearing that
up.

BB

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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, "nova" wrote:

How much does one needs to earn in a year
to own such a beautiful boat [a Beneteau 473]?

I'm not referring to having a million bucks in
bank but say if my job pays me US$70,000 a
year, will I be able to afford to buy and maintain
this boat?

For many present and would-be boat owners, these are questions
(regardless, obviously, which particular brand or size of boat one
wants), although it appears that, as is so in other contexts, the last
taboo in the U.S. is being open and honest about money. However,
herewith some "guesstimates":

A new Beneteau 473 costs +/- $245K/$280K (and up) depending on
configuration/options (sail inventory, electronics, etc.) and,
depending whether one buys at a show or during other special sale
conditions, even a base-price +/- $240K boat might be available and
also quite suitable for many costal cruising situations.

For them whut have the cash, presently prevailing economic conditions
increasingly make all-cash puchases attractive. Conversely, your
hypothetical $70K/year salaried person can compute the financing
charges for the above. In addition, to take the northeast U.S. as an
example:

A yearly marina slip for that size boat, including a once or twice a
year haul-out, can be in the +/- $6k/7K yearly range (and up), _if_
one can find such a slip, plus perhaps another +/- $1.5K/2k for
winterizing and related services for a new/new-ish boat, plus +/-
$1.7K/$2K for full-coverage insurance (depending on one's area of
use).

Mooring fees instead of a marina slip can of course be much lower.

Some labor/service fees can of course be mitigated by self-help,
although many marinas discourage (and increasing numbers completely
prohibit) an owner doing anything more than cosmetic Stuff (washing,
cleaning, minimal maintenance).

Membership (or not) in a yacht/sailing club is of course entirely
optional, although (at least for cruisers) it can be helpful; and the
costs therefor can varify from the just nominal, e.g., for "virtual"
or low-service associations, of which there are a fair number, to the
astronomical.

And it is of course very easy to find (or anyway to fail to refrain
from avoiding) any number of ways to spend lots more. Possibly, there
are some ways to spend a bit less.

In our home-base area (not far from where R.Brody/"Bobsprit"
repeatedly says he sails), last season there were five B473s of which
I am aware and one B423 (which, in my opinion, is a much nicer yet
quite comparable boat), and there will be more of each next year.
With one partial exception some of the time (the owner is something of
a workaholic at his profession) none of them remain at the dock for
very long.

It (obviously) is (very) far from Revealed Truth that anyone need (or,
for many, should) purchase a new boat; and older and lower-priced
boats are not difficult to find.

Still, sales of new boats, not least including Beneteaus and
(increasingly to a comparatively lesser extent) of Catalinas, which
(apart from "decor"/cosmetics) are comparable (if somewhat more
expensive), have been at once solid and increasing in recent years.

Friend has ordered one of these!
 

Again, if you have a down payment of say 10K and want to buy a 100K boat, you
can probably handle it if you make at least 100K per year. Lots of obvious
variables, but this is not a bad starting point.
I'm quite lucky in that the boat I plan to stick with for a while is well
within our budget with plenty of room to spare...the 36 foot C&C 34XL.


RB

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nova wrote:

How much does one needs to earn in a year to own such a beautiful boat?
I'm not referring to having a million bucks in bank but say if my job pays
me US$70,000 a year, will I be able to afford to buy and maintain this boat?

Depends a lot on your credit rating, how much debt you want to carry, how handy you
are at maintainence, and what expenses you are willing to scrimp on.

Bobsprit wrote:

If you make 70K a year you can probably own a nice mid eighties Pearson or C&C
costing 35-50K, depending on what you drive and other factors of course. Some
folks say 70K equals 70K, meaning you can afford the boat that equals what you
make in a year, but I say about 20% less.

What drivel. Doesn't it make any difference what marina costs are in the particular
area one is going to keep the boat? Doesn't it make any difference what other
financial obligations one might already have, like kids about to enter college etc
etc?

As many have said many a time before this... Bubbles, you're nuts.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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According to bob, he WINS AGAIN!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
He races weekends, midweek, does the long ones up the East coast Syd
Mooloolaba, whitsunday race week etc etc.


According to Ganzy, that comfortable boat won't ever leave the dock. It is
so
written!

RB

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His weight expressed in dollars per pound?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
very good bill, now how much is $250 times 3?


wrote

This fully explains Scotty's 5K Siedelmann! Thanks for clearing that
up.

BB

Friend has ordered one of these!
 

What drivel. Doesn't it make any difference what marina costs are in the
particular
area one is going to keep the boat? Doesn't it make any difference what other
financial obligations one might already have, like kids about to enter college
etc
etc?

No, Doug, it really doesn't. We have VERY high marina costs here and I know
people with mortgages and kids who can still swing a Mid eighties C&C 34 with
around 100K a year. Then others with no kids and no house can buy more. It's a
ROUGH estimate, which is clear to anyone but a moron like you! Since sailing is
not very important to you (You drive a trawler) you haven't worked it out.

RB

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Yes, it makes a BIG difference.

How so. Anyone can find a deal on a mooring/Slip and storage. It goes without
saying that sailing should be a priority, and other things have be let go or
put on hold. Are you so dumb as to think that the guy with 70K is wondering
about a 200K boat AND already has a house.
You're BOTH dumb and dumberer. Read the lines, then learn to read between them.
Dumbass Scotty!

RB

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Yes, it makes a BIG difference.

Scotty

"DSK" wrote

What drivel. Doesn't it make any difference what marina costs are in the
particular
area one is going to keep the boat? Doesn't it make any difference what
other
financial obligations one might already have, like kids about to enter
college etc
etc?

Friend has ordered one of these!
 

Some people are so wealthy they can afford to go on 3 day cruises.

BWaHaHaaahahahahahahahahahaha


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
What drivel. Doesn't it make any difference what marina costs are in the
particular
area one is going to keep the boat? Doesn't it make any difference what
other
financial obligations one might already have, like kids about to enter
college
etc
etc?

No, Doug, it really doesn't. We have VERY high marina costs here and I
know
people with mortgages and kids who can still swing a Mid eighties C&C 34
with
around 100K a year. Then others with no kids and no house can buy more.
It's a
ROUGH estimate, which is clear to anyone but a moron like you! Since
sailing is
not very important to you (You drive a trawler) you haven't worked it out.

RB

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Scott Vernon wrote:

Some people are so wealthy they can afford to go on 3 day cruises.

And other folks are so rich they can afford to drive beat-up old cars.

DSK

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My '92 Explorer is starting to look ratty.

SV

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

Some people are so wealthy they can afford to go on 3 day cruises.

And other folks are so rich they can afford to drive beat-up old cars.

DSK

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Scott Vernon wrote:

My '92 Explorer is starting to look ratty.

Congratulations! According to Jax, you must be a very wealthy man!

DSK

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My '92 Explorer is starting to look ratty.


So's your 1946 wife!!!

Bwahahahahahhahahaa!


RB

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HA HA HAHA you guys are hilarious!!

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
His weight expressed in dollars per pound?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
very good bill, now how much is $250 times 3?


wrote

This fully explains Scotty's 5K Siedelmann! Thanks for clearing that
up.

BB

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Bob is by far the "funniest."

"nova" wrote in message
...
HA HA HAHA you guys are hilarious!!

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
His weight expressed in dollars per pound?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
very good bill, now how much is $250 times 3?


wrote

This fully explains Scotty's 5K Siedelmann! Thanks for clearing that
up.

BB

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DSK wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

My '92 Explorer is starting to look ratty.

Congratulations! According to Jax, you must be a very wealthy man!


I'm wealthier, I've got a '90 Pathfinder!

No Rolex either.

Cheers
Marty

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Did I mention I own a 1950 Chevy pick-up? And I have no rolodex.

I WIN !!!!!!!


Scotty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

My '92 Explorer is starting to look ratty.

Congratulations! According to Jax, you must be a very wealthy man!


I'm wealthier, I've got a '90 Pathfinder!

No Rolex either.

Cheers
Marty

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Scott Vernon wrote:

Did I mention I own a 1950 Chevy pick-up? And I have no rolodex.

I WIN !!!!!!!

Scotty

Blast! How 'bout a Winchester 30-30 maid in 1910?

Cheers
Marty

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"Martin Baxter" wrote
.... How 'bout a Winchester maid in 1910?


Scott Vernon wrote:
depends how well she cleans.

I should think she'd be long retired by now.

DSK

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depends how well she cleans.

"Martin Baxter" wrote

Blast! How 'bout a Winchester maid in 1910?

Cheers
Marty

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Marty stated: Winchester 30-30 maid=20

Maids are pretty skinny in Winchester?

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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katysails wrote:

Marty stated: Winchester 30-30 maid

Maids are pretty skinny in Winchester?

--

Katy, you of all people I would expect to understand the
occasional misspell.

Cheers
Marty (felix?)

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Marty chided:=20
Katy, you of all people I would expect to understand the
occasional misspell.

Yes, and I take heat for every katytype that crosses the server....share =
the glory!

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein