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Bobsprit December 29th 03 02:32 AM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
Iraq's interim trade ministry is investigating alleged corruption of up to
$US40 million by members of the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority and
senior ministry officials.

Trade minister Ali Allawi says he discovered a month ago that a contract for
wooden doors worth about $US80 million had been manipulated.

"I think a third of it was stolen," he said, specifically estimating that
"probably around 30, 40 million" disappeared.

Mr Allawi said the allegations mainly involve "contract manipulation and ...
contract prioritisation" which he has asked a prosecutor to investigate.

"There is strong evidence ... of the implication of certain individuals,
senior management who have since been asked to leave, together with,
unfortunately, figures in the CPA," said Mr Allawi, who returned from his
job as a London investment banker to take up his post in September.

He said a few "key individuals" were under investigation.

"If the evidence is confirmed then obviously I'll bring charges," he said.

The CPA could not immediately comment on the case.

Mr Allawi said Paul Bremer, who heads the CPA, has asked each ministry to
appoint an inspector general.

"So this investigation might be passed on to him or her," the minister said.

It is not the first time post-war contracts in Iraq have come under
scrutiny.

The Middle East Economic Survey predicted earlier that it was increasingly
unlikely Iraq's new mobile telephone service would be in place by year's end
because of a Pentagon investigation into allegations of corruption in the
awarding of the three licences.

Iraq's interim telecommunications minister, Haydar al-Abadi, said the
corruption allegations were "a naked lie" exposed by the fact that he signed
the licences last week and the companies were testing their networks.

He said neither the Pentagon nor any other agency had asked his ministry
questions about the mobile phone deals.

"There is no such inquiry," he said.

In October, the British charity Christian Aid alleged $US4 billion in oil
revenues and other Iraqi funds earmarked for the country's reconstruction
had disappeared into "opaque" bank accounts administered by the CPA.

Mr Bremer rejected those allegations and said all funds were being spent or
transferred in a "completely transparent" way.

Mr Allawi said the latest allegations ran counter to the mentality he was
trying to instill within his department.

"We are trying as much as possible to instill a culture of resisting
corruption," he said.

The ministry is organising a public forum to create a non-governmental
organisation that would combat the problem.

Once the watchdog has elected its own secretariat, the ministry will
withdraw from the body, Mr Allawi said.

-- AFP




Anonymous Sender December 29th 03 03:52 AM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
You should make your lies up from scratch. They are harder to debunk
that way.

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US not involved in corruption: Iraqi minister
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1017295.htm

Iraq's interim trade ministry is investigating alleged corruption of up
to $US40 million involving senior ministry officials, but has backed
off initial claims that members of the US-led Coalition Provisional
Authority (CPA) authority were implicated.

Trade minister Ali Allawi said that he discovered a month ago that a
contract for wooden doors worth about $80 million had been manipulated.

Mr Allawi had said in an interview that members of the CPA were
implicated but on Sunday night, following vehement CPA denials of
involvement, said he was mistaken.

He said a UN agency, not the CPA, continued to run a program for
importing construction material until the UN's withdrawal from Iraq
after an August 19 bombing killed 22 people at its Baghdad
headquarters.

Mr Allawi said people from that UN program "are probably indictable".


matt colie December 29th 03 10:02 PM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
Boy,
Makes you really wish we had someone as honest a Bill Clinton back in
office.
NOT

Bobsprit wrote:

Iraq's interim trade ministry is investigating alleged corruption of up to
$US40 million by members of the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority and
senior ministry officials.

Trade minister Ali Allawi says he discovered a month ago that a contract for
wooden doors worth about $US80 million had been manipulated.

"I think a third of it was stolen," he said, specifically estimating that
"probably around 30, 40 million" disappeared.

Mr Allawi said the allegations mainly involve "contract manipulation and ...
contract prioritisation" which he has asked a prosecutor to investigate.

"There is strong evidence ... of the implication of certain individuals,
senior management who have since been asked to leave, together with,
unfortunately, figures in the CPA," said Mr Allawi, who returned from his
job as a London investment banker to take up his post in September.

He said a few "key individuals" were under investigation.

"If the evidence is confirmed then obviously I'll bring charges," he said.

The CPA could not immediately comment on the case.

Mr Allawi said Paul Bremer, who heads the CPA, has asked each ministry to
appoint an inspector general.

"So this investigation might be passed on to him or her," the minister said.

It is not the first time post-war contracts in Iraq have come under
scrutiny.

The Middle East Economic Survey predicted earlier that it was increasingly
unlikely Iraq's new mobile telephone service would be in place by year's end
because of a Pentagon investigation into allegations of corruption in the
awarding of the three licences.

Iraq's interim telecommunications minister, Haydar al-Abadi, said the
corruption allegations were "a naked lie" exposed by the fact that he signed
the licences last week and the companies were testing their networks.

He said neither the Pentagon nor any other agency had asked his ministry
questions about the mobile phone deals.

"There is no such inquiry," he said.

In October, the British charity Christian Aid alleged $US4 billion in oil
revenues and other Iraqi funds earmarked for the country's reconstruction
had disappeared into "opaque" bank accounts administered by the CPA.

Mr Bremer rejected those allegations and said all funds were being spent or
transferred in a "completely transparent" way.

Mr Allawi said the latest allegations ran counter to the mentality he was
trying to instill within his department.

"We are trying as much as possible to instill a culture of resisting
corruption," he said.

The ministry is organising a public forum to create a non-governmental
organisation that would combat the problem.

Once the watchdog has elected its own secretariat, the ministry will
withdraw from the body, Mr Allawi said.

-- AFP





Jonathan Ganz December 30th 03 12:56 AM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
Yeah, Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush lied about WMDs.
I guess you got us there.

"matt colie" wrote in message
...
Boy,
Makes you really wish we had someone as honest a Bill Clinton back in
office.
NOT

Bobsprit wrote:

Iraq's interim trade ministry is investigating alleged corruption of up

to
$US40 million by members of the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority

and
senior ministry officials.

Trade minister Ali Allawi says he discovered a month ago that a contract

for
wooden doors worth about $US80 million had been manipulated.

"I think a third of it was stolen," he said, specifically estimating

that
"probably around 30, 40 million" disappeared.

Mr Allawi said the allegations mainly involve "contract manipulation and

....
contract prioritisation" which he has asked a prosecutor to investigate.

"There is strong evidence ... of the implication of certain individuals,
senior management who have since been asked to leave, together with,
unfortunately, figures in the CPA," said Mr Allawi, who returned from

his
job as a London investment banker to take up his post in September.

He said a few "key individuals" were under investigation.

"If the evidence is confirmed then obviously I'll bring charges," he

said.

The CPA could not immediately comment on the case.

Mr Allawi said Paul Bremer, who heads the CPA, has asked each ministry

to
appoint an inspector general.

"So this investigation might be passed on to him or her," the minister

said.

It is not the first time post-war contracts in Iraq have come under
scrutiny.

The Middle East Economic Survey predicted earlier that it was

increasingly
unlikely Iraq's new mobile telephone service would be in place by year's

end
because of a Pentagon investigation into allegations of corruption in

the
awarding of the three licences.

Iraq's interim telecommunications minister, Haydar al-Abadi, said the
corruption allegations were "a naked lie" exposed by the fact that he

signed
the licences last week and the companies were testing their networks.

He said neither the Pentagon nor any other agency had asked his ministry
questions about the mobile phone deals.

"There is no such inquiry," he said.

In October, the British charity Christian Aid alleged $US4 billion in

oil
revenues and other Iraqi funds earmarked for the country's

reconstruction
had disappeared into "opaque" bank accounts administered by the CPA.

Mr Bremer rejected those allegations and said all funds were being spent

or
transferred in a "completely transparent" way.

Mr Allawi said the latest allegations ran counter to the mentality he

was
trying to instill within his department.

"We are trying as much as possible to instill a culture of resisting
corruption," he said.

The ministry is organising a public forum to create a non-governmental
organisation that would combat the problem.

Once the watchdog has elected its own secretariat, the ministry will
withdraw from the body, Mr Allawi said.

-- AFP







Donal December 30th 03 01:52 AM

Cheney lines his pockets
 

"matt colie" wrote in message
...
Boy,
Makes you really wish we had someone as honest a Bill Clinton back in
office.
NOT



Your morals are very strange indeed!

You would prefer your president's lies to lead to the loss of thousands of
innocent lives, than to a small stain on a girl's dress!

You are happy to see a whole country fu&%ed, and yet you complain about a
blow job??

You are incapable of forgiving one small lie, and yet you are willing to
overlook some of the biggest whoppers in the history of mankind?

Matt, go stand in the corner with the rest of the Rednecks!


Regards


Donal
--




Anonymous Sender December 30th 03 08:37 AM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Bob Dole Turns 80
Aired July 22, 2003 - 21:00 ET
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/22/lkl.00.html

KING: President, maybe I can get an area where you may disagree. Do you
join, President Clinton, your fellow Democrats, in complaining about
the portion of the State of the Union address that dealt with nuclear
weaponry in Africa?

CLINTON: Well, I have a little different take on it, I think, than
either side. First of all, the White House said -- Mr. Fleischer said --
that on balance they probably shouldn't have put that comment in the
speech. What happened, often happens. There was a disagreement between
British intelligence and American intelligence. The president said it
was British intelligence that said it. And then they said, well, maybe
they shouldn't have put it in. Let me tell you what I know. When I left
office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical
material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we
knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection
processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for
four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten
half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I
thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the
U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you
don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued
sanctions. I mean, we're all more sensitive to any possible stocks of
chemical and biological weapons. So there's a difference between
British -- British intelligence still maintains that they think the
nuclear story was true. I don't know what was true, what was false. I
thought the White House did the right thing in just saying, Well, we
probably shouldn't have said that. And I think we ought to focus on
where we are and what the right thing to do for Iraq is now. That's
what I think.

KING: So do you share that view, Senator Dole?

DOLE: Oh, he's exactly right. Let's put the focus where it belongs. I
never got to be president. I tried a couple of times. But President
Clinton understands better than anybody that he gets piles and piles of
classified, secret, top secret information, and I don't know how many,
maybe the president can tell me. I don't know how much of this goes
across your desk every day. It probably shouldn't have been in the
message. But that's history. It's passed. We can't change it. And we
need to focus on the real problem.

KING: What do you do, Mr. President, with what's put in front of you?

CLINTON: Well, here's what happens: every day the president gets a
daily brief from the CIA. And then, if it's some important issue -- and
believe me, you know, anything having to do with chemical, biological
or nuclear weapons became much more important to everybody in the White
House after September the 11 -- then they probably told the president,
certainly Condoleezza Rice, that this is what the British intelligence
thought. They maybe have a difference of opinion, but on balance, they
decided they should leave that line in the speech. I think the main
thing I want to say to you is, people can quarrel with whether we
should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or
whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there
were unaccounted for stocks...

DOLE: That's right.

CLINTON: ... of biological and chemical weapons. We might have
destroyed them in '98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn't know it
because we never got to go back in there.

KING: Yes.

CLINTON: And what I think -- again, I would say the most important
thing is we should focus on what's the best way to build Iraq as a
democracy? How is the president going to do that and deal with
continuing problems in Afghanistan and North Korea? We should be
pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of
Iraq. We can have honest disagreements about where we go from here, and
we have space now to discuss that in what I hope will be a nonpartisan
and open way. But this State of the Union deal they decided to use the
British intelligence. The president said it was British intelligence.
Then they said on balance they shouldn't have done it. You know,
everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't
make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in
awhile. The thing we ought to be focused on is what is the right thing
to do now. That's what I think.


thunder December 30th 03 12:27 PM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:37:41 +0000, Anonymous Sender wrote:

but it is incontestable
that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks...


There is a big difference between "unaccounted for stocks" and what Bush
said.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021007-8.html

matt colie December 30th 03 02:45 PM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
There are admittedly some differences.
Slick Willy lied to the people of the country based on information he
knew was true. (More than once, remember the testimony of the Arkansas
State Trooper.)
George W. "lie" was based on the best intel available to both us and the
British. That intel has not proved false, it just has not been proven
true to the satisfaction of the press - yet.

Remember to read the entire report - the WMD programs were there and
operational (admitted and proven). The fact that everyone was told they
were having some success was only keep Saddam from killing everyone
involved.

Remember the mobile biolabs that they tried to say were for ag research
and three different experts said they couldn't do what was claimed.

There is still 100kg of enriched uranium (sold to them by the French -
why do you think they wanted the money) that is unaccounted for.

Then there was the DC9 airframe about 15km northeast of Bagdad where
people were trained to take over airliners in fight.

If I can't trust someone, my relationship end right there.



Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Yeah, Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush lied about WMDs.
I guess you got us there.

"matt colie" wrote in message
...

Boy,
Makes you really wish we had someone as honest a Bill Clinton back in
office.
NOT

Bobsprit wrote:


Iraq's interim trade ministry is investigating alleged corruption of up


to

$US40 million by members of the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority


and

senior ministry officials.

Trade minister Ali Allawi says he discovered a month ago that a contract


for

wooden doors worth about $US80 million had been manipulated.

"I think a third of it was stolen," he said, specifically estimating


that

"probably around 30, 40 million" disappeared.

Mr Allawi said the allegations mainly involve "contract manipulation and


...

contract prioritisation" which he has asked a prosecutor to investigate.

"There is strong evidence ... of the implication of certain individuals,
senior management who have since been asked to leave, together with,
unfortunately, figures in the CPA," said Mr Allawi, who returned from


his

job as a London investment banker to take up his post in September.

He said a few "key individuals" were under investigation.

"If the evidence is confirmed then obviously I'll bring charges," he


said.

The CPA could not immediately comment on the case.

Mr Allawi said Paul Bremer, who heads the CPA, has asked each ministry


to

appoint an inspector general.

"So this investigation might be passed on to him or her," the minister


said.

It is not the first time post-war contracts in Iraq have come under
scrutiny.

The Middle East Economic Survey predicted earlier that it was


increasingly

unlikely Iraq's new mobile telephone service would be in place by year's


end

because of a Pentagon investigation into allegations of corruption in


the

awarding of the three licences.

Iraq's interim telecommunications minister, Haydar al-Abadi, said the
corruption allegations were "a naked lie" exposed by the fact that he


signed

the licences last week and the companies were testing their networks.

He said neither the Pentagon nor any other agency had asked his ministry
questions about the mobile phone deals.

"There is no such inquiry," he said.

In October, the British charity Christian Aid alleged $US4 billion in


oil

revenues and other Iraqi funds earmarked for the country's


reconstruction

had disappeared into "opaque" bank accounts administered by the CPA.

Mr Bremer rejected those allegations and said all funds were being spent


or

transferred in a "completely transparent" way.

Mr Allawi said the latest allegations ran counter to the mentality he


was

trying to instill within his department.

"We are trying as much as possible to instill a culture of resisting
corruption," he said.

The ministry is organising a public forum to create a non-governmental
organisation that would combat the problem.

Once the watchdog has elected its own secretariat, the ministry will
withdraw from the body, Mr Allawi said.

-- AFP








thunder December 30th 03 04:40 PM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:45:19 -0500, matt colie wrote:

There are admittedly some differences. Slick Willy lied to the people of
the country based on information he knew was true. (More than once,
remember the testimony of the Arkansas State Trooper.)
George W. "lie" was based on the best intel available to both us and the
British. That intel has not proved false, it just has not been proven
true to the satisfaction of the press - yet.


Best intell? Not by a long shot. Do a search on "Office of Special
Plans", and then make that claim. A couple of links to get you started:

http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=20952

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten...512fa_fact#top

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact


Jonathan Ganz December 30th 03 06:04 PM

Cheney lines his pockets
 
Well, remember now... Bush only can account for the deaths of
thousands of people because of his lies, whereas clinton can
account for the death of millions of sperm because of his.

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:37:41 +0000, Anonymous Sender wrote:

but it is incontestable
that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks...


There is a big difference between "unaccounted for stocks" and what Bush
said.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021007-8.html





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