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Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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Your vision was too lofty. Even your rusty old hulk can
be called a yacht. It has more to do with recreation than
the configuration of the vessel. A yacht is a vessel used
for pleasure sailing as opposed to any commercial activity.

A ship can be large or small. A ship is a broader definition
of a vessel than a yacht.

vessel
|
ship
| |
yacht workboat
| | | |
motor sail commercial public


S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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On 27 Dec 2003 07:32:53 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:

Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Do a little work, dumbass. Look up the word in a dictionary.




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IIRC, I've read a boat over 25' referred to as a "yacht". though I've yet to
meet anyone personally that referred to their boat as a yacht, though the
largest I know personally would be 47' LOA. I think in terms of 75' or more
as being a "yacht".
John Cairns
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Your vision was too lofty. Even your rusty old hulk can
be called a yacht. It has more to do with recreation than
the configuration of the vessel. A yacht is a vessel used
for pleasure sailing as opposed to any commercial activity.

So I can take an old beat up work boat and use it for pleasure and
call it a yacht. Yeah that make sence.


A ship can be large or small. A ship is a broader definition
of a vessel than a yacht.

I always heard a boat is a boat until it can not be carried by a ship.



vessel
|
ship
| |
yacht workboat
| | | |
motor sail commercial public


S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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RickyTickyTugs does just that. He took an old
tugboat painted the wood and polished the brass
and uses it as a yacht and I bet the fool even calls
it a yacht. So the answer to your question is, "Yes!".

S.Simon



"Joe" wrote in message m...
So I can take an old beat up work boat and use it for pleasure and
call it a yacht. Yeah that make sence.

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Simple Simon wrote:

RickyTickyTugs does just that. He took an old
tugboat painted the wood and polished the brass
and uses it as a yacht and I bet the fool even calls
it a yacht. So the answer to your question is, "Yes!".

Yep. It is a tugboat converted from commercial use to pleasure and
finished to what the industry refers to as "yacht standards" of finish
and fixtures. It is a yacht as opposed to a working vessel of any other
class.

There are many examples of former tugs, patrol vessels, minesweepers,
and coastal freighters converted to yacht use. The current crop of
"trawler yachts" are imitations of these conversions.

I call my boat a tug because that is the original design and
construction and it faithfully retains the original lines and
appearance. It is, however, a yacht in function and interior finish.

You do not have a yacht as trailer boats and mass produced plastic
consumer grade toys such as yours do not meet any of the standards
considered when describing a yacht.

Sorry Nil, once again you are out of your depth. You are not a sailor, a
seafarer, a yacht owner, or a reliable source of nautical information.
Your exposure to nautical matters is limited to the scope of your swamp
mooring and it shows when you attempt to post information about subjects
so far beyond your seriously limited experience. It is increasingly and
daily more obvious that you are indeed nothing more than a wannabe with
a broken trailer boat.

Rick

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"Rick" wrote in message ink.net...
snipped some boring stuff
I call my boat a tug because that is the original design and
construction and it faithfully retains the original lines and
appearance. It is, however, a yacht in function and interior finish.

Glad you agree with me that a yacht is a pleasure boat
as opposed to a work boat.

You do not have a yacht as trailer boats and mass produced plastic
consumer grade toys such as yours do not meet any of the standards
considered when describing a yacht.

My blue water, modified, cruising Coronado 27
meets or exceeds all yacht definition expectations
on a daily basis. Construction materials do not and
never have defined what constitutes a yacht. It is
a definition based solely on parameters of pleasure
use. I maintain I derive more pleasure using my
yacht day in and day out than you perform your
weekly maintenance chores there at the dock.

You seem to have forgotten that the definition of
a yacht is based on USE. When used as a pleasure
boat a vessel can be called a yacht. Use means
actually getting out on the water and going places.
A vessel that just sits at a dock and is constantly
spit-shined is a pretend yacht for it is not even
being used as a boat - only a show piece. (Some
would say eyesore!)

Sorry Nil, once again you are out of your depth. You are not a sailor, a
seafarer, a yacht owner, or a reliable source of nautical information.
Your exposure to nautical matters is limited to the scope of your swamp
mooring and it shows when you attempt to post information about subjects
so far beyond your seriously limited experience. It is increasingly and
daily more obvious that you are indeed nothing more than a wannabe with
a broken trailer boat.

Good luck. I can take my yacht right now and
commence a voyage around the world and stand
a very great chance of success. Can you say the
same? Geez! You probably can't even afford the
necessary fuel let alone get a passport. You've
probably never even been out of sight of land.
PUTZ!

S.Simon

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Simple Simon wrote:

Glad you agree with me that a yacht is a pleasure boat
as opposed to a work boat.

Many medium and large yachts are operated commercially. That usage is
why the crewmembers are required to maintain licenses and certifications
that are well beyond that which you are capable of earning.

I can take my yacht right now and
commence a voyage around the world and stand
a very great chance of success.

Please do us all a favor and start this evening.

Geez! You probably can't even afford the
necessary fuel let alone get a passport. You've
probably never even been out of sight of land.

Your jealous rant certainly proves how little you know about merchant
mariner documentation requirements and income.

Sorry Nil, once again you are out of your depth. You are not a sailor, a
seafarer, a yacht owner, or a reliable source of nautical information.
Your exposure to nautical matters is limited to the scope of your swamp
mooring and it shows when you attempt to post information about subjects
so far beyond your seriously limited experience. It is increasingly and
daily more obvious that you are indeed nothing more than a wannabe with
a broken trailer boat.

Rick

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:55:44 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:


Good luck. I can take my yacht right now and
commence a voyage around the world

We can only hope.




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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I said that "..in most parts of the world.." etc.

I believe that the term "yacht" has a different meaning in the USA.


I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.


Over here it almost always refers to a sailing vessel. I am familiar with
the use of the term to describe large private motor boats. However, when I
hear the word "yacht", I immediately picture something that sails, and is
30-40 foot long.



I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

That isn't the accepted use of the word on this side of the Atlantic.

Here is the definition from Chambers:-

yacht italicyot, n orig/italic a light fast-sailing vessel; a sailing,
steam-powered, etc vessel elegantly fitted out for pleasure trips or
racing.......



The second part of the definition agrees with your understanding. However,
the first definition is the commonly used one over here.






Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

Neither. The word has different meanings on either side of the Atlantic.



And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?


Good question. I haven't a clue.



Regards


Donal
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Horvath wrote in message . ..
On 27 Dec 2003 07:32:53 -0800, (Joe) wrote
this crap:

Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Do a little work, dumbass. Look up the word in a dictionary.

Go fondle yourself titty boy.

Joe







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Over here the definition is the same, but I have never heard anyone refer to
their vessel as a "yacht". You regularly see the term in print,"yacht:"
brokers, "yacht" manufacturers, "yacht" clubs etc. One comes immediately to
mind, Catalina Yachts, their largest vessel is 50'. Probably more yacht-like
than 25', but most folks over here think in terms of much larger than 50'
when calling a vessel a "yacht". I know the term is technically correct, but
I think it's turning into the opposite of the term "gentleman", which
originally referred to a man's status as a landowner, has become a term
referring to a person's good manners. Gentleman has become *******ized,
yacht has become more exclusive.
John Cairns

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
om...

I said that "..in most parts of the world.." etc.

I believe that the term "yacht" has a different meaning in the USA.


I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.


Over here it almost always refers to a sailing vessel. I am familiar with
the use of the term to describe large private motor boats. However, when
I
hear the word "yacht", I immediately picture something that sails, and is
30-40 foot long.



I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

That isn't the accepted use of the word on this side of the Atlantic.

Here is the definition from Chambers:-

yacht italicyot, n orig/italic a light fast-sailing vessel; a
sailing,
steam-powered, etc vessel elegantly fitted out for pleasure trips or
racing.......



The second part of the definition agrees with your understanding.
However,
the first definition is the commonly used one over here.






Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

Neither. The word has different meanings on either side of the Atlantic.



And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?


Good question. I haven't a clue.



Regards


Donal
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

.. I can take my yacht right now and
commence a voyage around the world
S.Simon



Please do just that.....
I am sure many people would wave you goodbye.... (assuming a wide variety of
hand gestures can be called "wave")
:)

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Rick wrote in message news:X0nHb.8326

Yep. It is a tugboat converted from commercial use to pleasure and
finished to what the industry refers to as "yacht standards" of finish
and fixtures. It is a yacht as opposed to a working vessel of any other
class.


Have any pictures online? Like to see this "yacht standards" stuff.

Joe
The Mega Yacht RedCloud ......compared to a crapanodo

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Over here the definition is the same, but I have never heard anyone refer
to
their vessel as a "yacht".

Over here, anybody with an 18 foot+ sailing vessel will call it a yacht.
That's why there are no conotations attached to the term.

Regards


Donal
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And over here, there are millions of small vessels, thus the generally
accepted definition of a yacht being a very large vessel.
John Cairns
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Over here the definition is the same, but I have never heard anyone
refer
to
their vessel as a "yacht".

Over here, anybody with an 18 foot+ sailing vessel will call it a yacht.
That's why there are no conotations attached to the term.

Regards


Donal
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This is really hard work!

There are probably millions of of small vessels over here as well. The
term "yacht" has nothing to do with the quantity of boats.

I get the impression that if somebody in the US claimed to have a "yacht",
that he would be boasting. When I say that I have a yacht, I am not
boasting. OTOH, if I claimed that I had a "motor yacht" - then I would be
boasting.




Regards


Donal
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"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
And over here, there are millions of small vessels, thus the generally
accepted definition of a yacht being a very large vessel.
John Cairns
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
...
Over here the definition is the same, but I have never heard anyone
refer
to
their vessel as a "yacht".

Over here, anybody with an 18 foot+ sailing vessel will call it a
yacht.
That's why there are no conotations attached to the term.

Regards


Donal
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Capt KC O'Dunn Here, I work on Yachts and Work Boats and I agree that one
can stretch the idea of yacht-dom BUT while there are some pleasure boats
that are considered yachts by their owners... a true yacht tells its station
when she stands into harbor. You can call anything by any name but if you
come along side a true yacht with a lesser vessel the whole issue becomes
obvious. I have a small fleet of boats and tenders but my sailboat is a
1968 cal 34. It sails sweetly and can take a lot of weather but there is no
way that my Cal34 is a yacht, even in her day she was no yacht. She is
Spartan and no true yachtsman would be able to handle the raw nature of the
hull or the tiller or the beating ya take when you're urging her through a
squall. I think the biggest difference is in the sailors, in my experience
a yachtsman is a pussy who has more money than sense and a lack of interest
in fundamentals, he knows he can buy his way out of most crap.




"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Your vision was too lofty. Even your rusty old hulk can
be called a yacht. It has more to do with recreation than
the configuration of the vessel. A yacht is a vessel used
for pleasure sailing as opposed to any commercial activity.

So I can take an old beat up work boat and use it for pleasure and
call it a yacht. Yeah that make sence.


A ship can be large or small. A ship is a broader definition
of a vessel than a yacht.

I always heard a boat is a boat until it can not be carried by a ship.



vessel
|
ship
| |
yacht workboat
| | | |
motor sail commercial public


S.Simon - posting from the comfort of his yacht.


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Donal said something like any sail boat over 18 foot is a yacht. And
if you sail a boat over 18 foot you can call yourself a Yachtie.

I thought yacht has nothing to do with power or sail.

I always thought of a yacht as something in the 100 footer range owned
by someone like Mr. Thrump, with a similar attitude. Something only
the super rich have as a plush toy complete with crew.

Has Donal cheapened the meaning, or was my vision to lofty.

And when does a boat become a ship? And could that have somethig to do
with defining a yacht?

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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A yacht has to have a yacht finish,
or it's not a yacht--it's a boat.

I'd split the tree like this.

Bart


"Simple Simon" wrote

vessel
|
ship
| |
yacht or boat workboat
| | | | |
motor sail commercial public private


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"elegantly fitted out" is a requirement to be a yacht.

Bart

"Donal" wrote

yacht italicyot, n orig/italic a light fast-sailing vessel; a sailing,
steam-powered, etc vessel elegantly fitted out for pleasure trips or
racing.......

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If you have to ask...then it's a boat.

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
"elegantly fitted out" is a requirement to be a yacht.

Bart

"Donal" wrote

yacht italicyot, n orig/italic a light fast-sailing vessel; a
sailing,
steam-powered, etc vessel elegantly fitted out for pleasure trips or
racing.......

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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
"elegantly fitted out" is a requirement to be a yacht.

Not over here, it isn't!

Honestly.


Regards


Donal
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Bart

"Donal" wrote

yacht italicyot, n orig/italic a light fast-sailing vessel; a
sailing,
steam-powered, etc vessel elegantly fitted out for pleasure trips or
racing.......

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Oz1 wrote in message ...
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:56:17 -0000, "Donal"
scribbled thusly:


"N1EE" wrote in message
. com...
"elegantly fitted out" is a requirement to be a yacht.

Not over here, it isn't!

Honestly.


Regards


Donal

Yeah, over here, a 60' racer with pipe berths and little else is still
called a yacht.

Oz, I'm really grateful for your assistance. ... Really!
However, I'm trying to explain that people who are *NOT* pretentious, can
own a yacht.

How was Val d'Isre?

Regards


Donal
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