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We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is =
preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red = dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt = today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff = and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now = we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter = weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel
boat. S.Simon "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I think it might also have been the paint flaking off the rust beneath...
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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Eeewwww!
I used to live downwind from that crap from Gary, Indiana. I think it was some type of iron grit. Why would you buy a house in the fallout zone? Have you no sense? "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Sounds like you got some of the red dirt from the Red River, where I
keep my boat. The soil has a lot of iron in it. Not a problem, but it does make for some dramatic sandstorms. The wind has been howling off and of for several days and that strong Southerly must have carried some of the sand your way. Sandstorms and hail make interesting combinations. So far, no locusts:) We have had some great sunsets lately, though. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:32:59 -0500, "katysails" wrote: We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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Why would you buy a house in the
fallout zone? We didn't...good grief...we live way far north of there...Gary's crap is = usually deposited straight into Lake Michigan...this was from = Oklahoma... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Sounds like you got some of the red dirt from the Red River, where I
keep my boat.=20 It was nice of you to share, but Michigan alrady has enough dirt...and = iron for that matter. Next time you may keep it there. The snow's = white this morning so it must have been a one-time deposit. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:05:30 -0500, "katysails"
wrote: Sounds like you got some of the red dirt from the Red River, where I keep my boat. It was nice of you to share, but Michigan alrady has enough dirt...and iron for that matter. Next time you may keep it there. The snow's white this morning so it must have been a one-time deposit. Hey, you don't hear me blaming any of you frozen yankees when the cold wind blows in from the North. Besides, most of the red dirt originates in Oklahoma. Here in North Texas we have that black gumbo soil that seems to have most of the qualities of tar when wet. It wouldn't travel very far. |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have
bought it already. "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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Hey, you don't hear me blaming any of you frozen yankees when the cold
wind blows in from the North. Besides, most of the red dirt originates in Oklahoma.=20 Today on the news they said it blew in from left-over dust storms in New = Mexico....and all that cold from the North is from Canada....it just = passes through here on its' way to you. Not enough topographical relief = to stop it. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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katysails wrote:
..and all that cold from the North is from Canada....it just passes through here on its' way to you. Not enough topographical relief to stop it. Hey don't blame us, it comes from the Russians, and they got it from Per's people, and since you are half Per.... well it's all your fault! Cheers Marty |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of
the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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and since you are
half Per.... well it's all your fault! I'm not half-Per anymore...he left for so long that the relationship = atrophied. MC's brain tried to take over instead, but was rejected as = incompatible tissue. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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is that an oxymoron?
"katysails" wrote MC's brain |
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is that an oxymoron?
No...he lives in Canada; not NZ..... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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I like the sailing ship idea. I think it gives kids
more to do and more imagination that they are like the buccaneers of old. Real salty dogs. A motor vessel may impart more of a military flavor to the kids. I guess that's not bad either as we need a new generation willing to fight for this country as many of the 'boomers' seem to have gotten stuck with a stupid anti-war, blame America first attitude. Maybe you should think of a fleet. Get both a motor vessel and a sailing vessel and train the kids on both. Wouldn't you like to be one of the kids with an summer to spend on the high seas working on a 'real' ship? There are many retired and nearly retired captains around like otnmbrd, Shen44, Rick, myself etc. who would probably enjoy working with a group of nautical kids and would probably be willing to do so for room and board and a small stipend for expenses. Some of the giving back that you talk about. Good luck with your venture. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
I like the sailing ship idea. I think it gives kids more to do and more imagination that they are like the buccaneers of old. Real salty dogs. I agree that more hands would be kept useful a busy underway and thats a good thing. A motor vessel may impart more of a military flavor to the kids. I guess that's not bad either as we need a new generation willing to fight for this country as many of the 'boomers' seem to have gotten stuck with a stupid anti-war, blame America first attitude. Yes and a cargo ship can provide a purpose to the crew. A great learning program could be built out of a cargo ship and all of the details of arranging a transport and full manifest. Great adventures such as delivering gifts from corporations or citizens to troops overseas. Deliver medical relief abroad, or just arranging any type of for profit delivery so that the kids could make some money, IF they do the job. That way they will have something to be proud of besides just the ports they visit. Delivering bannana to galveston from some banana isle would be a great adventure, that would have to be on-time journey or the crew could lose any hope of making money. I want to crew to become a team that has the option to fail as much as they have the option to succeed. Sort of like a junior achivement program, but at sea. I have nothing against anti-war. But to be antiwar while being attacked is assanine and dangerious to our country, and to our heritage. Lets hope after we rid the world of ossama, saddam and his types that we will have enough invested in preventing furture attacks that we can live without war. I think a top notch offence is the only way to prevent war. Lets hope the new homeland security group can strike were needed before another nut or group of nuts strikes us. Maybe you should think of a fleet. Get both a motor vessel and a sailing vessel and train the kids on both. Wouldn't you like to be one of the kids with an summer to spend on the high seas working on a 'real' ship? Number one has to work first. If it does than getting number 2 together will be a breeze. There are many retired and nearly retired captains around like otnmbrd, Shen44, Rick, myself etc. who would probably enjoy working with a group of nautical kids and would probably be willing to do so for room and board and a small stipend for expenses. Some of the giving back that you talk about. One of the main goals set down is to allow everyone to make money. And I want to be paid. I will never retire by choice. To many fun ways out there to make money. Good luck with your venture. It's going to take it. (UNLESS BILL GATES OF MICROSOFT ONE OF THE SMARTEST YOUNG KIDS OF THE 70's IS READING THIS AND WANTS TO BE KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE US WITH SEED MONEY)but even that would be good luck. Weve been looking at all options. The betsy ross was used by the Job Corps. A gubment program, but we do not want to be under the thumb of anyone. We are looking to see if we can get govt cheese without having the rats aboard. If you know what I mean. Joe MSV RedCloud S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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You could mount a couple of these on.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2-50cal.htm The kids would love it. Scotty "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I like the sailing ship idea. I think it gives kids more to do and more imagination that they are like the buccaneers of old. Real salty dogs. A motor vessel may impart more of a military flavor to the kids. I guess that's not bad either as we need a new generation willing to fight for this country as many of the 'boomers' seem to have gotten stuck with a stupid anti-war, blame America first attitude. Maybe you should think of a fleet. Get both a motor vessel and a sailing vessel and train the kids on both. Wouldn't you like to be one of the kids with an summer to spend on the high seas working on a 'real' ship? There are many retired and nearly retired captains around like otnmbrd, Shen44, Rick, myself etc. who would probably enjoy working with a group of nautical kids and would probably be willing to do so for room and board and a small stipend for expenses. Some of the giving back that you talk about. Good luck with your venture. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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I had one of those mounted atop my Coronado when
I used to do runs to Cuba for cigars. Castro's gun boats always gave me a wide berth after I fired a couple hundred rounds at them. Actually sunk two of 'em. S.Simon "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... You could mount a couple of these on. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2-50cal.htm The kids would love it. Scotty "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I like the sailing ship idea. I think it gives kids more to do and more imagination that they are like the buccaneers of old. Real salty dogs. A motor vessel may impart more of a military flavor to the kids. I guess that's not bad either as we need a new generation willing to fight for this country as many of the 'boomers' seem to have gotten stuck with a stupid anti-war, blame America first attitude. Maybe you should think of a fleet. Get both a motor vessel and a sailing vessel and train the kids on both. Wouldn't you like to be one of the kids with an summer to spend on the high seas working on a 'real' ship? There are many retired and nearly retired captains around like otnmbrd, Shen44, Rick, myself etc. who would probably enjoy working with a group of nautical kids and would probably be willing to do so for room and board and a small stipend for expenses. Some of the giving back that you talk about. Good luck with your venture. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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good man!
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I had one of those mounted atop my Coronado when I used to do runs to Cuba for cigars. Castro's gun boats always gave me a wide berth after I fired a couple hundred rounds at them. Actually sunk two of 'em. S.Simon "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... You could mount a couple of these on. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2-50cal.htm The kids would love it. Scotty "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I like the sailing ship idea. I think it gives kids more to do and more imagination that they are like the buccaneers of old. Real salty dogs. A motor vessel may impart more of a military flavor to the kids. I guess that's not bad either as we need a new generation willing to fight for this country as many of the 'boomers' seem to have gotten stuck with a stupid anti-war, blame America first attitude. Maybe you should think of a fleet. Get both a motor vessel and a sailing vessel and train the kids on both. Wouldn't you like to be one of the kids with an summer to spend on the high seas working on a 'real' ship? There are many retired and nearly retired captains around like otnmbrd, Shen44, Rick, myself etc. who would probably enjoy working with a group of nautical kids and would probably be willing to do so for room and board and a small stipend for expenses. Some of the giving back that you talk about. Good luck with your venture. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
You could mount a couple of these on. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2-50cal.htm The kids would love it. Look at the picture I e-mailed to you. You will see that on each side of the wheelhose are round gun decks that had ma duces. On the stern was a double 20mm anti aircraft PON PON gun for blasting jap suicide planes. The ship entered the war during the thick of the kamakazies(sp). Joe MSV RedCloud Scotty "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I like the sailing ship idea. I think it gives kids more to do and more imagination that they are like the buccaneers of old. Real salty dogs. A motor vessel may impart more of a military flavor to the kids. I guess that's not bad either as we need a new generation willing to fight for this country as many of the 'boomers' seem to have gotten stuck with a stupid anti-war, blame America first attitude. Maybe you should think of a fleet. Get both a motor vessel and a sailing vessel and train the kids on both. Wouldn't you like to be one of the kids with an summer to spend on the high seas working on a 'real' ship? There are many retired and nearly retired captains around like otnmbrd, Shen44, Rick, myself etc. who would probably enjoy working with a group of nautical kids and would probably be willing to do so for room and board and a small stipend for expenses. Some of the giving back that you talk about. Good luck with your venture. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Forty-five grand for that sounds like the bargain of the century even if it takes fifty or so more to get it inspected. Good luck finding something similar. S.Simon The gsa sites great to pick up large vessels. And with the moderation of the USCG fleet you will see quite a few amazing bargians. Used to be allot of drug seized boats as well, not so many these days. We are in no big hurry just sort of a dream several friends and I have had for a while. The betsy ross was a good deal, excellent if you did not have to deliver her and do a major inspection. last major inspection was in 1999 and I guess the govt felt it was not worth the money to go thru this years(but you know how the govt pays 5-6 times the going rate) Plus no one here had the time to fly out and inspect her. A five year inspection would require tons of work. Ive done several on 220 foot oilfied supply boats and they can be quite stressful. All the crane booms would have to be taken apart, all thru hulls removed,all valves taken apart, chain flaked, hull ultrasounded, all ballast tanks inspected and sounded, and we knew there was a aft ballest tank that would need a new top, all hatches and dogs taken apart, firefighting equipment, pumps, lifeboats, rafts inflated repacked or replaced ect.. this list is a mile long and the risk of failing was not an option. If you were to use it as a private vessel or uninspected vessel it would of been the buy of the year. It was a really cool ship but none of us can afford a 176 foot yacht and docking fees. Plus if I deliver it and bring her thru the inspection process I would have to give up my business for 6 months. We are still approching several companys to find a corporate sponser to buy us a sailing ship. We all feel kids could benifit allot from a rigid sailing program. Just a wild dream we would like to come true. As a kid I learned alot from Junior achivement and the C.A.P. and would like to give something back to todays kids. Joe MSV RedCloud "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... No Betsy Ross at those links. . . Some sucker must have bought it already. Yeah went for 45,500.00 It was a 1944 176 foot cargo vessel used in the S.pacific during WWII. Super clean, you could eat off the bilges. 4 gen sets, 2 GM 550hp mains, sperry gyros, radars,ssb,ect..ect... 22,000 Square feet of cargo space 4 cargo boom cranes, and berthing for 28 crew, 4 officers and a decked out captian quarters, military spec all the way. It was used for Job corps training for the last 40 years and was maintained by the US govt WITH NO EXPENCE SPARED Needed it's 5 year inspection so we figured gettin it here and shipyard cost would of been another 60K . Oh well we will keep our eyes open for something in our budget. As a summercamp type project we cound make 2.5K per kid per month. Or 280K per summer w 2 trips. Enough to make a modest profit after upkeep and insurance. Would rather have sail but felt it would of been a great start. If your curious and would like a picture I would be happy to email you 1. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... That's rust. The storm went right over Joe Butchers steel boat. S.Simon Jeliousy is rearing it's ugly head again. Check out this steel boat. A group of us are going to bid up to 37K on it today. If we get it we will start a maritime summer camp with it. http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucitsrh/ If the link does not work, go to the gsa site http://www.gsaauctions.gov and check on boats section. Its the Bettsy Ross. Joe Better hurry if you want to see it, sells today at 1400 CST. "katysails" wrote in message ... We had a weird phenomenon this afternoon. The rainstorm that is preceding the cold front into MI from the SW seems to have swept up red dust along the way through Oklahoma and Texas...and it rained red dirt today. Looks like rust spots on the cars. They did tests on the stuff and it was pH neutral (thank goodness....not Gary IN effluvia). Now we're all wondering if we're going to get red snow tonight. Winter weather advisory says 5 inches (ha...will probably be 2...) |
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Who?
Cheers MC katysails wrote: is that an oxymoron? No...he lives in Canada; not NZ..... |
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Who?
Cheers MC The oxymoron.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I only know a rumoron in canaduh.
Cheers MC katysails wrote: Who? Cheers MC The oxymoron.... |
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I only know a rumoron in canaduh.
Cheers MC oxy's his nickname --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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A rhetorical figure in which incongruous or contradictory terms are
combined, as in a deafening silence and a mournful optimist. Yep, I think he could be described as thus... LP (especially the "deafing silence") "Scott Vernon" wrote: is that an oxymoron? "katysails" wrote MC's brain |
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