Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, Ralph Nader, H. Perot,
etc. etc. - all the same. All talk a good game but none
do anything but talk and hope to persuade others to
do the work and make the sacrifice. The only true
leader leads by example.

President Bush leads by example.

That's it in a nutshell. That's what people want.
People don't want some pie-in-the-sky pipe dream
of fanatics who don't even live their own lives
the way they preach others should.

How can you explain this?

S.Simon




"Uncle Albert" wrote in message ink.net...
I do rely on government for the things it should provide - courts, a common
defense, police and all the other things necessary to protect my individual
rights. The US Constitution does a pretty good job of laying it all out.

What you desire and what GW Bush does is violate the Constitution, the law
of the land. What good is worrying about the Colregs when the fundamental
law of the country is ignored and trampled upon?

What good are laws if they are selectively enforced and, for the most part,
ignored?

I do live in the real world and know what the future holds as a consequence
of ever growing government and neglect of the law.


"Compromise is the red carpet for tyranny"

Ayn Rand


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Milos,

You need to practice what you preach in order to lend
veracity to your claims. It is you who live in a situation
where you depend upon the government for your very
existence. You need roads, electricity, grocery stores
and telephone connections. You are trapped and living
a life the government controls. I can understand why
you yearn for what Barry claims to have stood for but
really didn't as he was perhaps more dependent upon
government than you are.

Myself, on the other hand, being a realist have structured
my life in such a way that I can reap government benefits
as long as they are available but can escape from them
should they involve the loss of my freedom. I can simply
sail away and avail myself of my offshore bank accounts
while your like continues to proclaim the virtues of
conservative values while living a life that does not
reflect your beliefs. That's the trouble with indoctrination
into any system of beliefs. It requires a blind adherence by
the believer and said adherence causes the believer's
enslavement.

S.Simon - sucks on any teat that's available but has other
teats lined up when old reliable dries up.


"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Simple Simon:

You have taken too many government pills. When the effects wear off
hopefully you will see as clearly as I.

Government handouts breed dependence. Dependence breds sloth.

Senator Goldwater is not the same as or equivalent to John Dean. Dean
has no
principals, no moral compass. He simply opposes Bush and Republicans in
general. Senator Goldwater is known for his principals and moral
compass.
Goldwater stood for individual liberty and the Constitution. He is THE
Conservative by which all others are judged. I do not care about the
popularity of Conservatism, I care about what is right. Right by my own
standards, the standards of an independent, self reliant man. If one
accepts
popularity as the metric for political or moral direction, in the right
time
and place, one would find the soles of his feet sore from excessive
goose
stepping.
Senator Goldwater was merely the torch bearer, not the torch. The torch
has
been passed on and again it will burn bright.
Remember, circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him.

"The government that has the power to grant you everything also has the
power to take it all away"

Barry Goldwater

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Barry Goldwater = John Dean. Both of them represent
the extreme ends of the political spectrum. While Goldwater
was at the conservative end, Dean is at the radical liberal
end of the spectrum. Both are the same in that they are(were)
unelectable.

Milos, one of these days you are going to wake up and smell
the roses that since conservatism is about as popular as
liberalism the only viable solution is something in the middle.

George Bush is in the middle. He's conservative when it comes
to the government's primary duty to protect the country and
he's moderate to liberal when it comes to giving the populace
what they want - handouts from the government at the expense
of the military/industrial complex. Mr. Bush lives in the real
world. I wish you would join us there.

S.Simon
"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well said!!!!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Where the heck is Barry Goldwater when we need him!

"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
The dumbest thing I ever heard from a liberal was one who called
himself
a
"Compassionate Conservative" and he went on to create the
biggest
growth
in
government in 60 years, the largest entitlement package in
history,
the
quickest enaction of state police powers, signed free speech
limiting
legislation that he himself was unconstitutional, signed economy
destroying
tarriff legislation and leaves the borders wide open for illegal
immigrants.
If it looks like a Democrat, smells like a Democrat and quacks
like
a
Democrat - it's a Democrat!

Vote Gridlock! Save America!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
Stupid Things Said By Liberals

December 15, 2003


Here's a list of some of the many dumb things libs said about
Saddam's
captu

Robin Wright, Los Angeles Times: This isn't going to transform
the
situation.
Joe Klein, TIME: Another terrorist attack on
America would completely change this dynamic.
Dennis Kucinich: No big deal, we've got to end the occupation
of
Iraq.
Campbell Brown, NBC: This should help President Bush.
MSNBC: The insurgents are too well organized to quit.
Paula Zahn and Aaron Brown, CNN: Bush had better not gloat.
Dan Rather, CBS (Paraphrased as he's impossible to
understand):
Think how poor Saddam must feel after being dragged from his
hole!
CNN: Iraqis don't care. There are gas lines and not enough
electricity. Besides,
why'd it take so long to get this one bearded guy who's not
running
anything?
John F-ing Kerry: It's a good day for Iraqis but Americans are
still
going to die.
Yasser Arafat, taking a page away from Tom Daschle: I am
saddened.
NPR: Repeated the no-gas, no-water, no-oil misery line.
Best - Evan Thomas, Newsweek: In a land where pride and
dignity
mean everything, the images of Saddam are clearly intended to
shame.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Like you for example??

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
That's it in a nutshell. That's what people want.
People don't want some pie-in-the-sky pipe dream
of fanatics who don't even live their own lives
the way they preach others should.

How can you explain this?

S.Simon




"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
ink.net...
I do rely on government for the things it should provide - courts, a
common
defense, police and all the other things necessary to protect my
individual
rights. The US Constitution does a pretty good job of laying it all out.

What you desire and what GW Bush does is violate the Constitution, the
law
of the land. What good is worrying about the Colregs when the
fundamental
law of the country is ignored and trampled upon?

What good are laws if they are selectively enforced and, for the most
part,
ignored?

I do live in the real world and know what the future holds as a
consequence
of ever growing government and neglect of the law.


"Compromise is the red carpet for tyranny"

Ayn Rand


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Milos,

You need to practice what you preach in order to lend
veracity to your claims. It is you who live in a situation
where you depend upon the government for your very
existence. You need roads, electricity, grocery stores
and telephone connections. You are trapped and living
a life the government controls. I can understand why
you yearn for what Barry claims to have stood for but
really didn't as he was perhaps more dependent upon
government than you are.

Myself, on the other hand, being a realist have structured
my life in such a way that I can reap government benefits
as long as they are available but can escape from them
should they involve the loss of my freedom. I can simply
sail away and avail myself of my offshore bank accounts
while your like continues to proclaim the virtues of
conservative values while living a life that does not
reflect your beliefs. That's the trouble with indoctrination
into any system of beliefs. It requires a blind adherence by
the believer and said adherence causes the believer's
enslavement.

S.Simon - sucks on any teat that's available but has other
teats lined up when old reliable dries up.


"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Simple Simon:

You have taken too many government pills. When the effects wear off
hopefully you will see as clearly as I.

Government handouts breed dependence. Dependence breds sloth.

Senator Goldwater is not the same as or equivalent to John Dean.
Dean
has no
principals, no moral compass. He simply opposes Bush and Republicans
in
general. Senator Goldwater is known for his principals and moral
compass.
Goldwater stood for individual liberty and the Constitution. He is
THE
Conservative by which all others are judged. I do not care about the
popularity of Conservatism, I care about what is right. Right by my
own
standards, the standards of an independent, self reliant man. If one
accepts
popularity as the metric for political or moral direction, in the
right
time
and place, one would find the soles of his feet sore from excessive
goose
stepping.
Senator Goldwater was merely the torch bearer, not the torch. The
torch
has
been passed on and again it will burn bright.
Remember, circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him.

"The government that has the power to grant you everything also has
the
power to take it all away"

Barry Goldwater

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Barry Goldwater = John Dean. Both of them represent
the extreme ends of the political spectrum. While Goldwater
was at the conservative end, Dean is at the radical liberal
end of the spectrum. Both are the same in that they are(were)
unelectable.

Milos, one of these days you are going to wake up and smell
the roses that since conservatism is about as popular as
liberalism the only viable solution is something in the middle.

George Bush is in the middle. He's conservative when it comes
to the government's primary duty to protect the country and
he's moderate to liberal when it comes to giving the populace
what they want - handouts from the government at the expense
of the military/industrial complex. Mr. Bush lives in the real
world. I wish you would join us there.

S.Simon
"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well said!!!!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Where the heck is Barry Goldwater when we need him!

"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
The dumbest thing I ever heard from a liberal was one who
called
himself
a
"Compassionate Conservative" and he went on to create the
biggest
growth
in
government in 60 years, the largest entitlement package in
history,
the
quickest enaction of state police powers, signed free speech
limiting
legislation that he himself was unconstitutional, signed
economy
destroying
tarriff legislation and leaves the borders wide open for
illegal
immigrants.
If it looks like a Democrat, smells like a Democrat and
quacks
like
a
Democrat - it's a Democrat!

Vote Gridlock! Save America!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
Stupid Things Said By Liberals

December 15, 2003


Here's a list of some of the many dumb things libs said
about
Saddam's
captu

Robin Wright, Los Angeles Times: This isn't going to
transform
the
situation.
Joe Klein, TIME: Another terrorist attack on
America would completely change this dynamic.
Dennis Kucinich: No big deal, we've got to end the
occupation
of
Iraq.
Campbell Brown, NBC: This should help President Bush.
MSNBC: The insurgents are too well organized to quit.
Paula Zahn and Aaron Brown, CNN: Bush had better not
gloat.
Dan Rather, CBS (Paraphrased as he's impossible to
understand):
Think how poor Saddam must feel after being dragged from
his
hole!
CNN: Iraqis don't care. There are gas lines and not enough
electricity. Besides,
why'd it take so long to get this one bearded guy who's
not
running
anything?
John F-ing Kerry: It's a good day for Iraqis but Americans
are
still
going to die.
Yasser Arafat, taking a page away from Tom Daschle: I am
saddened.
NPR: Repeated the no-gas, no-water, no-oil misery line.
Best - Evan Thomas, Newsweek: In a land where pride and
dignity
mean everything, the images of Saddam are clearly intended
to
shame.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Computer still working OK?

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Like you for example??

Barry Goldwater ran for president as himself, he did not lie like LBJ.
Today, Senator Goldwater is remembered more than LBJ. Goldwater was a
General in the Air Force, he provided radio patches between American
soldiers in VietNam and their families on his own time and expense, he was a
highly skilled photographer, naturalist and sportsman.
According to the Library of Congress poll, the second most influential book
ever written, next to the Bible, was written by Ayn Rand. The book is still
a great seller more than 50 years after it was published.
These people are remembered for their ideas and principles.

So I ask you:
In a nutshell, 5 lines or less, give a GW Bush's philosophy as a series of
non contradictory statements. I don't care for a description of his actions,
I want his guiding underlying principals.

Since GW Bush is a man of action, I ask you:

1. What legislation has he vetoed?

2. When has he acted against popular opinion to do the right thing?

3. Why does he consistently break the law, passing illegal and
unconstitutional laws, some of which he has admitted is unconstitutional?



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, Ralph Nader, H. Perot,
etc. etc. - all the same. All talk a good game but none
do anything but talk and hope to persuade others to
do the work and make the sacrifice. The only true
leader leads by example.

President Bush leads by example.

That's it in a nutshell. That's what people want.
People don't want some pie-in-the-sky pipe dream
of fanatics who don't even live their own lives
the way they preach others should.

How can you explain this?

S.Simon




"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
ink.net...
I do rely on government for the things it should provide - courts, a
common
defense, police and all the other things necessary to protect my
individual
rights. The US Constitution does a pretty good job of laying it all out.

What you desire and what GW Bush does is violate the Constitution, the
law
of the land. What good is worrying about the Colregs when the
fundamental
law of the country is ignored and trampled upon?

What good are laws if they are selectively enforced and, for the most
part,
ignored?

I do live in the real world and know what the future holds as a
consequence
of ever growing government and neglect of the law.


"Compromise is the red carpet for tyranny"

Ayn Rand


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Milos,

You need to practice what you preach in order to lend
veracity to your claims. It is you who live in a situation
where you depend upon the government for your very
existence. You need roads, electricity, grocery stores
and telephone connections. You are trapped and living
a life the government controls. I can understand why
you yearn for what Barry claims to have stood for but
really didn't as he was perhaps more dependent upon
government than you are.

Myself, on the other hand, being a realist have structured
my life in such a way that I can reap government benefits
as long as they are available but can escape from them
should they involve the loss of my freedom. I can simply
sail away and avail myself of my offshore bank accounts
while your like continues to proclaim the virtues of
conservative values while living a life that does not
reflect your beliefs. That's the trouble with indoctrination
into any system of beliefs. It requires a blind adherence by
the believer and said adherence causes the believer's
enslavement.

S.Simon - sucks on any teat that's available but has other
teats lined up when old reliable dries up.


"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Simple Simon:

You have taken too many government pills. When the effects wear off
hopefully you will see as clearly as I.

Government handouts breed dependence. Dependence breds sloth.

Senator Goldwater is not the same as or equivalent to John Dean.
Dean
has no
principals, no moral compass. He simply opposes Bush and Republicans
in
general. Senator Goldwater is known for his principals and moral
compass.
Goldwater stood for individual liberty and the Constitution. He is
THE
Conservative by which all others are judged. I do not care about the
popularity of Conservatism, I care about what is right. Right by my
own
standards, the standards of an independent, self reliant man. If one
accepts
popularity as the metric for political or moral direction, in the
right
time
and place, one would find the soles of his feet sore from excessive
goose
stepping.
Senator Goldwater was merely the torch bearer, not the torch. The
torch
has
been passed on and again it will burn bright.
Remember, circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him.

"The government that has the power to grant you everything also has
the
power to take it all away"

Barry Goldwater

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Barry Goldwater = John Dean. Both of them represent
the extreme ends of the political spectrum. While Goldwater
was at the conservative end, Dean is at the radical liberal
end of the spectrum. Both are the same in that they are(were)
unelectable.

Milos, one of these days you are going to wake up and smell
the roses that since conservatism is about as popular as
liberalism the only viable solution is something in the middle.

George Bush is in the middle. He's conservative when it comes
to the government's primary duty to protect the country and
he's moderate to liberal when it comes to giving the populace
what they want - handouts from the government at the expense
of the military/industrial complex. Mr. Bush lives in the real
world. I wish you would join us there.

S.Simon
"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well said!!!!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Where the heck is Barry Goldwater when we need him!

"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
The dumbest thing I ever heard from a liberal was one who
called
himself
a
"Compassionate Conservative" and he went on to create the
biggest
growth
in
government in 60 years, the largest entitlement package in
history,
the
quickest enaction of state police powers, signed free speech
limiting
legislation that he himself was unconstitutional, signed
economy
destroying
tarriff legislation and leaves the borders wide open for
illegal
immigrants.
If it looks like a Democrat, smells like a Democrat and
quacks
like
a
Democrat - it's a Democrat!

Vote Gridlock! Save America!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
Stupid Things Said By Liberals

December 15, 2003


Here's a list of some of the many dumb things libs said
about
Saddam's
captu

Robin Wright, Los Angeles Times: This isn't going to
transform
the
situation.
Joe Klein, TIME: Another terrorist attack on
America would completely change this dynamic.
Dennis Kucinich: No big deal, we've got to end the
occupation
of
Iraq.
Campbell Brown, NBC: This should help President Bush.
MSNBC: The insurgents are too well organized to quit.
Paula Zahn and Aaron Brown, CNN: Bush had better not
gloat.
Dan Rather, CBS (Paraphrased as he's impossible to
understand):
Think how poor Saddam must feel after being dragged from
his
hole!
CNN: Iraqis don't care. There are gas lines and not enough
electricity. Besides,
why'd it take so long to get this one bearded guy who's
not
running
anything?
John F-ing Kerry: It's a good day for Iraqis but Americans
are
still
going to die.
Yasser Arafat, taking a page away from Tom Daschle: I am
saddened.
NPR: Repeated the no-gas, no-water, no-oil misery line.
Best - Evan Thomas, Newsweek: In a land where pride and
dignity
mean everything, the images of Saddam are clearly intended
to
shame.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

"Uncle Albert" wrote in message link.net...
According to the Library of Congress poll, the second most influential book
ever written, next to the Bible, was written by Ayn Rand. The book is still
a great seller more than 50 years after it was published.

So, I have a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" on my shelf and it
is a good read. But Rand was a writer who did nothing
personally to live by her principles. Her fine book is
a good example of 'do as I say, not as I do'. Sometimes
I have too wonder how much 'influence' a book has that
reads more like science fiction than conservative literature.


These people are remembered for their ideas and principles.

Moreso for their eccentricity.

So I ask you:
In a nutshell, 5 lines or less, give a GW Bush's philosophy as a series of
non contradictory statements. I don't care for a description of his actions,
I want his guiding underlying principals.

In a nutshell Mr. Bush's philosophy of compassionate conservativism
involves giving the people what they want. People want bigger government.
People want a strong secure country. People want a strong economy.
People want a moral leader who works so future generations have
a future. People have what they want and President Bush knows it.


Since GW Bush is a man of action, I ask you:

1. What legislation has he vetoed?

None that I know of but he said he was going to Washington
with a new tone and he has delivered on his promise. When's
the last time you can remember when a politician actually
delivered on his promisses?

2. When has he acted against popular opinion to do the right thing?

The right thing is not to act against popular opinion. The right
thing is to do the job the populace wants you to do.

3. Why does he consistently break the law, passing illegal and
unconstitutional laws, some of which he has admitted is unconstitutional?

The President cannot pass laws. Only congress can do so.
The President can veto laws passed by congress but the
President's compassionate conservative philosophy says
what the people want who is he to veto it?

You've got to give credit where credit is due. Mr. Bush
is exactly what he says he is. He does exactly what he
said he'd do. You may not agree with his philosophy and
beliefs but at least he's loyal to them.

S.Simon





"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, Ralph Nader, H. Perot,
etc. etc. - all the same. All talk a good game but none
do anything but talk and hope to persuade others to
do the work and make the sacrifice. The only true
leader leads by example.

President Bush leads by example.

That's it in a nutshell. That's what people want.
People don't want some pie-in-the-sky pipe dream
of fanatics who don't even live their own lives
the way they preach others should.

How can you explain this?

S.Simon




"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
ink.net...
I do rely on government for the things it should provide - courts, a
common
defense, police and all the other things necessary to protect my
individual
rights. The US Constitution does a pretty good job of laying it all out.

What you desire and what GW Bush does is violate the Constitution, the
law
of the land. What good is worrying about the Colregs when the
fundamental
law of the country is ignored and trampled upon?

What good are laws if they are selectively enforced and, for the most
part,
ignored?

I do live in the real world and know what the future holds as a
consequence
of ever growing government and neglect of the law.


"Compromise is the red carpet for tyranny"

Ayn Rand


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Milos,

You need to practice what you preach in order to lend
veracity to your claims. It is you who live in a situation
where you depend upon the government for your very
existence. You need roads, electricity, grocery stores
and telephone connections. You are trapped and living
a life the government controls. I can understand why
you yearn for what Barry claims to have stood for but
really didn't as he was perhaps more dependent upon
government than you are.

Myself, on the other hand, being a realist have structured
my life in such a way that I can reap government benefits
as long as they are available but can escape from them
should they involve the loss of my freedom. I can simply
sail away and avail myself of my offshore bank accounts
while your like continues to proclaim the virtues of
conservative values while living a life that does not
reflect your beliefs. That's the trouble with indoctrination
into any system of beliefs. It requires a blind adherence by
the believer and said adherence causes the believer's
enslavement.

S.Simon - sucks on any teat that's available but has other
teats lined up when old reliable dries up.


"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Simple Simon:

You have taken too many government pills. When the effects wear off
hopefully you will see as clearly as I.

Government handouts breed dependence. Dependence breds sloth.

Senator Goldwater is not the same as or equivalent to John Dean.
Dean
has no
principals, no moral compass. He simply opposes Bush and Republicans
in
general. Senator Goldwater is known for his principals and moral
compass.
Goldwater stood for individual liberty and the Constitution. He is
THE
Conservative by which all others are judged. I do not care about the
popularity of Conservatism, I care about what is right. Right by my
own
standards, the standards of an independent, self reliant man. If one
accepts
popularity as the metric for political or moral direction, in the
right
time
and place, one would find the soles of his feet sore from excessive
goose
stepping.
Senator Goldwater was merely the torch bearer, not the torch. The
torch
has
been passed on and again it will burn bright.
Remember, circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him.

"The government that has the power to grant you everything also has
the
power to take it all away"

Barry Goldwater

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Barry Goldwater = John Dean. Both of them represent
the extreme ends of the political spectrum. While Goldwater
was at the conservative end, Dean is at the radical liberal
end of the spectrum. Both are the same in that they are(were)
unelectable.

Milos, one of these days you are going to wake up and smell
the roses that since conservatism is about as popular as
liberalism the only viable solution is something in the middle.

George Bush is in the middle. He's conservative when it comes
to the government's primary duty to protect the country and
he's moderate to liberal when it comes to giving the populace
what they want - handouts from the government at the expense
of the military/industrial complex. Mr. Bush lives in the real
world. I wish you would join us there.

S.Simon
"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well said!!!!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Where the heck is Barry Goldwater when we need him!

"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
The dumbest thing I ever heard from a liberal was one who
called
himself
a
"Compassionate Conservative" and he went on to create the
biggest
growth
in
government in 60 years, the largest entitlement package in
history,
the
quickest enaction of state police powers, signed free speech
limiting
legislation that he himself was unconstitutional, signed
economy
destroying
tarriff legislation and leaves the borders wide open for
illegal
immigrants.
If it looks like a Democrat, smells like a Democrat and
quacks
like
a
Democrat - it's a Democrat!

Vote Gridlock! Save America!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
Stupid Things Said By Liberals

December 15, 2003


Here's a list of some of the many dumb things libs said
about
Saddam's
captu

Robin Wright, Los Angeles Times: This isn't going to
transform
the
situation.
Joe Klein, TIME: Another terrorist attack on
America would completely change this dynamic.
Dennis Kucinich: No big deal, we've got to end the
occupation
of
Iraq.
Campbell Brown, NBC: This should help President Bush.
MSNBC: The insurgents are too well organized to quit.
Paula Zahn and Aaron Brown, CNN: Bush had better not
gloat.
Dan Rather, CBS (Paraphrased as he's impossible to
understand):
Think how poor Saddam must feel after being dragged from
his
hole!
CNN: Iraqis don't care. There are gas lines and not enough
electricity. Besides,
why'd it take so long to get this one bearded guy who's
not
running
anything?
John F-ing Kerry: It's a good day for Iraqis but Americans
are
still
going to die.
Yasser Arafat, taking a page away from Tom Daschle: I am
saddened.
NPR: Repeated the no-gas, no-water, no-oil misery line.
Best - Evan Thomas, Newsweek: In a land where pride and
dignity
mean everything, the images of Saddam are clearly intended
to
shame.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
link.net...
According to the Library of Congress poll, the second most influential
book
ever written, next to the Bible, was written by Ayn Rand. The book is
still
a great seller more than 50 years after it was published.

So, I have a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" on my shelf and it
is a good read. But Rand was a writer who did nothing
personally to live by her principles. Her fine book is
a good example of 'do as I say, not as I do'. Sometimes
I have too wonder how much 'influence' a book has that
reads more like science fiction than conservative literature.


These people are remembered for their ideas and principles.

Moreso for their eccentricity.

True in the case of Michael Jackson.


So I ask you:
In a nutshell, 5 lines or less, give a GW Bush's philosophy as a series
of
non contradictory statements. I don't care for a description of his
actions,
I want his guiding underlying principals.

In a nutshell Mr. Bush's philosophy of compassionate conservativism
involves giving the people what they want. People want bigger government.
People want a strong secure country. People want a strong economy.
People want a moral leader who works so future generations have
a future. People have what they want and President Bush knows it.

In other words the people want a liberal for a president. Bigger government
is contraproductive to a strong economy and a bright future.

Give them bread and circuses!




Since GW Bush is a man of action, I ask you:

1. What legislation has he vetoed?

None that I know of but he said he was going to Washington
with a new tone and he has delivered on his promise. When's
the last time you can remember when a politician actually
delivered on his promisses?

A Conservative named Reagan. "Government is not the solution to our problem,
government is the problem".



2. When has he acted against popular opinion to do the right thing?

The right thing is not to act against popular opinion. The right
thing is to do the job the populace wants you to do.

Then why bother having a President and a Republic? We just need a pure
democracy. See how long that lasts.



3. Why does he consistently break the law, passing illegal and
unconstitutional laws, some of which he has admitted is
unconstitutional?

The President cannot pass laws. Only congress can do so.
The President can veto laws passed by congress but the
President's compassionate conservative philosophy says
what the people want who is he to veto it?

The President is the one to pass laws, Congress can over ride him if he does
not pass them. Congress has exclusive power to make laws (excepting
executive orders). So if Congress was filled by Democrats, would he sign
everything too? How does he know what the "people" want?


You've got to give credit where credit is due. Mr. Bush
is exactly what he says he is. He does exactly what he
said he'd do. You may not agree with his philosophy and
beliefs but at least he's loyal to them.

He has no consistent philosophy. He just wants to get re elected and blows
in the wind with popularity.


S.Simon





"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, Ralph Nader, H. Perot,
etc. etc. - all the same. All talk a good game but none
do anything but talk and hope to persuade others to
do the work and make the sacrifice. The only true
leader leads by example.

President Bush leads by example.

That's it in a nutshell. That's what people want.
People don't want some pie-in-the-sky pipe dream
of fanatics who don't even live their own lives
the way they preach others should.

How can you explain this?

S.Simon




"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
ink.net...
I do rely on government for the things it should provide - courts, a
common
defense, police and all the other things necessary to protect my
individual
rights. The US Constitution does a pretty good job of laying it all
out.

What you desire and what GW Bush does is violate the Constitution,
the
law
of the land. What good is worrying about the Colregs when the
fundamental
law of the country is ignored and trampled upon?

What good are laws if they are selectively enforced and, for the
most
part,
ignored?

I do live in the real world and know what the future holds as a
consequence
of ever growing government and neglect of the law.


"Compromise is the red carpet for tyranny"

Ayn Rand


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Milos,

You need to practice what you preach in order to lend
veracity to your claims. It is you who live in a situation
where you depend upon the government for your very
existence. You need roads, electricity, grocery stores
and telephone connections. You are trapped and living
a life the government controls. I can understand why
you yearn for what Barry claims to have stood for but
really didn't as he was perhaps more dependent upon
government than you are.

Myself, on the other hand, being a realist have structured
my life in such a way that I can reap government benefits
as long as they are available but can escape from them
should they involve the loss of my freedom. I can simply
sail away and avail myself of my offshore bank accounts
while your like continues to proclaim the virtues of
conservative values while living a life that does not
reflect your beliefs. That's the trouble with indoctrination
into any system of beliefs. It requires a blind adherence by
the believer and said adherence causes the believer's
enslavement.

S.Simon - sucks on any teat that's available but has other
teats lined up when old reliable dries up.


"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Simple Simon:

You have taken too many government pills. When the effects wear
off
hopefully you will see as clearly as I.

Government handouts breed dependence. Dependence breds sloth.

Senator Goldwater is not the same as or equivalent to John Dean.
Dean
has no
principals, no moral compass. He simply opposes Bush and
Republicans
in
general. Senator Goldwater is known for his principals and moral
compass.
Goldwater stood for individual liberty and the Constitution. He
is
THE
Conservative by which all others are judged. I do not care about
the
popularity of Conservatism, I care about what is right. Right by
my
own
standards, the standards of an independent, self reliant man. If
one
accepts
popularity as the metric for political or moral direction, in
the
right
time
and place, one would find the soles of his feet sore from
excessive
goose
stepping.
Senator Goldwater was merely the torch bearer, not the torch.
The
torch
has
been passed on and again it will burn bright.
Remember, circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him.

"The government that has the power to grant you everything also
has
the
power to take it all away"

Barry Goldwater

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Barry Goldwater = John Dean. Both of them represent
the extreme ends of the political spectrum. While Goldwater
was at the conservative end, Dean is at the radical liberal
end of the spectrum. Both are the same in that they are(were)
unelectable.

Milos, one of these days you are going to wake up and smell
the roses that since conservatism is about as popular as
liberalism the only viable solution is something in the
middle.

George Bush is in the middle. He's conservative when it comes
to the government's primary duty to protect the country and
he's moderate to liberal when it comes to giving the populace
what they want - handouts from the government at the expense
of the military/industrial complex. Mr. Bush lives in the real
world. I wish you would join us there.

S.Simon
"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well said!!!!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Where the heck is Barry Goldwater when we need him!

"Milos Forman" wrote in
message

ink.net...
The dumbest thing I ever heard from a liberal was one
who
called
himself
a
"Compassionate Conservative" and he went on to create
the
biggest
growth
in
government in 60 years, the largest entitlement package
in
history,
the
quickest enaction of state police powers, signed free
speech
limiting
legislation that he himself was unconstitutional, signed
economy
destroying
tarriff legislation and leaves the borders wide open for
illegal
immigrants.
If it looks like a Democrat, smells like a Democrat and
quacks
like
a
Democrat - it's a Democrat!

Vote Gridlock! Save America!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
Stupid Things Said By Liberals

December 15, 2003


Here's a list of some of the many dumb things libs
said
about
Saddam's
captu

Robin Wright, Los Angeles Times: This isn't going to
transform
the
situation.
Joe Klein, TIME: Another terrorist attack on
America would completely change this dynamic.
Dennis Kucinich: No big deal, we've got to end the
occupation
of
Iraq.
Campbell Brown, NBC: This should help President Bush.
MSNBC: The insurgents are too well organized to quit.
Paula Zahn and Aaron Brown, CNN: Bush had better not
gloat.
Dan Rather, CBS (Paraphrased as he's impossible to
understand):
Think how poor Saddam must feel after being dragged
from
his
hole!
CNN: Iraqis don't care. There are gas lines and not
enough
electricity. Besides,
why'd it take so long to get this one bearded guy
who's
not
running
anything?
John F-ing Kerry: It's a good day for Iraqis but
Americans
are
still
going to die.
Yasser Arafat, taking a page away from Tom Daschle: I
am
saddened.
NPR: Repeated the no-gas, no-water, no-oil misery
line.
Best - Evan Thomas, Newsweek: In a land where pride
and
dignity
mean everything, the images of Saddam are clearly
intended
to
shame.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the
universe

Why do you keep asking? Do you want some advice or something??

Totally mystified....

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Computer still working OK?

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Like you for example??

Jeeesus.. you liked that piece of trash? After about 200 of the 1000 pages,
I figured it out already. The only reason I kept reading was it was a long
flight to India.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
link.net...
According to the Library of Congress poll, the second most influential
book
ever written, next to the Bible, was written by Ayn Rand. The book is
still
a great seller more than 50 years after it was published.

So, I have a copy of "Atlas Shrugged" on my shelf and it
is a good read. But Rand was a writer who did nothing
personally to live by her principles. Her fine book is
a good example of 'do as I say, not as I do'. Sometimes
I have too wonder how much 'influence' a book has that
reads more like science fiction than conservative literature.


These people are remembered for their ideas and principles.

Moreso for their eccentricity.

So I ask you:
In a nutshell, 5 lines or less, give a GW Bush's philosophy as a series
of
non contradictory statements. I don't care for a description of his
actions,
I want his guiding underlying principals.

In a nutshell Mr. Bush's philosophy of compassionate conservativism
involves giving the people what they want. People want bigger government.
People want a strong secure country. People want a strong economy.
People want a moral leader who works so future generations have
a future. People have what they want and President Bush knows it.


Since GW Bush is a man of action, I ask you:

1. What legislation has he vetoed?

None that I know of but he said he was going to Washington
with a new tone and he has delivered on his promise. When's
the last time you can remember when a politician actually
delivered on his promisses?

2. When has he acted against popular opinion to do the right thing?

The right thing is not to act against popular opinion. The right
thing is to do the job the populace wants you to do.

3. Why does he consistently break the law, passing illegal and
unconstitutional laws, some of which he has admitted is
unconstitutional?

The President cannot pass laws. Only congress can do so.
The President can veto laws passed by congress but the
President's compassionate conservative philosophy says
what the people want who is he to veto it?

You've got to give credit where credit is due. Mr. Bush
is exactly what he says he is. He does exactly what he
said he'd do. You may not agree with his philosophy and
beliefs but at least he's loyal to them.

S.Simon





"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, Ralph Nader, H. Perot,
etc. etc. - all the same. All talk a good game but none
do anything but talk and hope to persuade others to
do the work and make the sacrifice. The only true
leader leads by example.

President Bush leads by example.

That's it in a nutshell. That's what people want.
People don't want some pie-in-the-sky pipe dream
of fanatics who don't even live their own lives
the way they preach others should.

How can you explain this?

S.Simon




"Uncle Albert" wrote in message
ink.net...
I do rely on government for the things it should provide - courts, a
common
defense, police and all the other things necessary to protect my
individual
rights. The US Constitution does a pretty good job of laying it all
out.

What you desire and what GW Bush does is violate the Constitution,
the
law
of the land. What good is worrying about the Colregs when the
fundamental
law of the country is ignored and trampled upon?

What good are laws if they are selectively enforced and, for the
most
part,
ignored?

I do live in the real world and know what the future holds as a
consequence
of ever growing government and neglect of the law.


"Compromise is the red carpet for tyranny"

Ayn Rand


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Milos,

You need to practice what you preach in order to lend
veracity to your claims. It is you who live in a situation
where you depend upon the government for your very
existence. You need roads, electricity, grocery stores
and telephone connections. You are trapped and living
a life the government controls. I can understand why
you yearn for what Barry claims to have stood for but
really didn't as he was perhaps more dependent upon
government than you are.

Myself, on the other hand, being a realist have structured
my life in such a way that I can reap government benefits
as long as they are available but can escape from them
should they involve the loss of my freedom. I can simply
sail away and avail myself of my offshore bank accounts
while your like continues to proclaim the virtues of
conservative values while living a life that does not
reflect your beliefs. That's the trouble with indoctrination
into any system of beliefs. It requires a blind adherence by
the believer and said adherence causes the believer's
enslavement.

S.Simon - sucks on any teat that's available but has other
teats lined up when old reliable dries up.


"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Simple Simon:

You have taken too many government pills. When the effects wear
off
hopefully you will see as clearly as I.

Government handouts breed dependence. Dependence breds sloth.

Senator Goldwater is not the same as or equivalent to John Dean.
Dean
has no
principals, no moral compass. He simply opposes Bush and
Republicans
in
general. Senator Goldwater is known for his principals and moral
compass.
Goldwater stood for individual liberty and the Constitution. He
is
THE
Conservative by which all others are judged. I do not care about
the
popularity of Conservatism, I care about what is right. Right by
my
own
standards, the standards of an independent, self reliant man. If
one
accepts
popularity as the metric for political or moral direction, in
the
right
time
and place, one would find the soles of his feet sore from
excessive
goose
stepping.
Senator Goldwater was merely the torch bearer, not the torch.
The
torch
has
been passed on and again it will burn bright.
Remember, circumstance does not make the man, it reveals him.

"The government that has the power to grant you everything also
has
the
power to take it all away"

Barry Goldwater

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Barry Goldwater = John Dean. Both of them represent
the extreme ends of the political spectrum. While Goldwater
was at the conservative end, Dean is at the radical liberal
end of the spectrum. Both are the same in that they are(were)
unelectable.

Milos, one of these days you are going to wake up and smell
the roses that since conservatism is about as popular as
liberalism the only viable solution is something in the
middle.

George Bush is in the middle. He's conservative when it comes
to the government's primary duty to protect the country and
he's moderate to liberal when it comes to giving the populace
what they want - handouts from the government at the expense
of the military/industrial complex. Mr. Bush lives in the real
world. I wish you would join us there.

S.Simon
"Milos Forman" wrote in message
ink.net...
Well said!!!!


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Where the heck is Barry Goldwater when we need him!

"Milos Forman" wrote in
message

ink.net...
The dumbest thing I ever heard from a liberal was one
who
called
himself
a
"Compassionate Conservative" and he went on to create
the
biggest
growth
in
government in 60 years, the largest entitlement package
in
history,
the
quickest enaction of state police powers, signed free
speech
limiting
legislation that he himself was unconstitutional, signed
economy
destroying
tarriff legislation and leaves the borders wide open for
illegal
immigrants.
If it looks like a Democrat, smells like a Democrat and
quacks
like
a
Democrat - it's a Democrat!

Vote Gridlock! Save America!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
Stupid Things Said By Liberals

December 15, 2003


Here's a list of some of the many dumb things libs
said
about
Saddam's
captu

Robin Wright, Los Angeles Times: This isn't going to
transform
the
situation.
Joe Klein, TIME: Another terrorist attack on
America would completely change this dynamic.
Dennis Kucinich: No big deal, we've got to end the
occupation
of
Iraq.
Campbell Brown, NBC: This should help President Bush.
MSNBC: The insurgents are too well organized to quit.
Paula Zahn and Aaron Brown, CNN: Bush had better not
gloat.
Dan Rather, CBS (Paraphrased as he's impossible to
understand):
Think how poor Saddam must feel after being dragged
from
his
hole!
CNN: Iraqis don't care. There are gas lines and not
enough
electricity. Besides,
why'd it take so long to get this one bearded guy
who's
not
running
anything?
John F-ing Kerry: It's a good day for Iraqis but
Americans
are
still
going to die.
Yasser Arafat, taking a page away from Tom Daschle: I
am
saddened.
NPR: Repeated the no-gas, no-water, no-oil misery
line.
Best - Evan Thomas, Newsweek: In a land where pride
and
dignity
mean everything, the images of Saddam are clearly
intended
to
shame.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the
universe

I'm asking because I have a concern for back orifice
activity and not the kind Bobsprit is fond of.

Have you checked your router security lately?

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Why do you keep asking? Do you want some advice or something??

Totally mystified....

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Computer still working OK?

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Like you for example??

Yup... everything is working as it should. We look at
incoming and outgoing automatically. All anomalies
are reported to me and the tech babe.

Take a look at AATools. You can use their eval
copy to id and remove it.

http://www.glocksoft.com/process_info.htm

FYI, I believe it's only a threat for 95/98 systems.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I'm asking because I have a concern for back orifice
activity and not the kind Bobsprit is fond of.

Have you checked your router security lately?

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Why do you keep asking? Do you want some advice or something??

Totally mystified....

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Computer still working OK?

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Like you for example??