Anybody got AIS?
 

There is a new system being fitted to ships. It transmits information about
their course, speed, size and various other bits and pieces.


I believe that all boats greater than 20m loa in the States must have this
system fitted.

Does anybody here have a receiver fitted?


Is it better than Radar? How well does it work?


Regards


Donal
--

Anybody got AIS?
 

Does anybody here have a receiver fitted?


No, but it sounds way-cool and yet another item to buy a Pelican case for!
I'm gettin' one so I can be an achiever!

RB

Anybody got AIS?
 

This is an IMO requirement, for ships over 300GT on international
voyages (plus others).
I don't think it impacts the recreational boater at present, but may, in
the future.

Anybody got AIDS?
 

not me

Anybody got AIS?
 

"Donal" wrote in message ...
There is a new system being fitted to ships. It transmits information about
their course, speed, size and various other bits and pieces.


I believe that all boats greater than 20m loa in the States must have this
system fitted.

Does anybody here have a receiver fitted?


Is it better than Radar? How well does it work?


Regards


Donal
--

It is for large ships only Donal. But it makes you wonder whats in the
future for us.

Got a question for you.

Do you think you can go anywhere on earth in a boat without big
brother watching?

I bet they watch every boat at sea everywhere. I know the whole Gulf
of Mexico is covered with DEA & USCG radar. Every inch of the houston
ship channel is on radar and closed circut TV. In the Gulf they use
big blimp mounted radars. Soon they will deploy unmanned planes that
can stay aloft for months at a time.

Joe





Joe

Anybody got AIS?
 

It is for large ships only Donal. But it makes you wonder whats in the
future for us.

Now you tell me! I just ordered two. One is for my dinghy. I'm gonna make
Scotty jealous!

RB

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Donny's
Dilemma wrote:

On 8 Dec 2003 13:33:44 -0800, (Joe) wrote:
Got a question for you.

Do you think you can go anywhere on earth in a boat without big
brother watching?

I bet they watch every boat at sea everywhere. I know the whole Gulf
of Mexico is covered with DEA & USCG radar. Every inch of the houston
ship channel is on radar and closed circut TV. In the Gulf they use
big blimp mounted radars. Soon they will deploy unmanned planes that
can stay aloft for months at a time.

Joe

Relatively easy here.
The main surveillance is to the Nth and NW with virtually none Sth.
I know of boats that have sailed into some of our not too remote
southern ports and stayed for months without ever seeing a customs
officer.

Yes, no problem at all but please don't spread it about. They might do
something about it.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
There is a new system being fitted to ships. It transmits information
about
their course, speed, size and various other bits and pieces.


I believe that all boats greater than 20m loa in the States must have
this
system fitted.

Does anybody here have a receiver fitted?


Is it better than Radar? How well does it work?


Regards


Donal
--

It is for large ships only Donal. But it makes you wonder whats in the
future for us.

I'm thinking about the receiver. It should be cheaper to build than a
Radar. I suspect that in a couple of years (if not now?) we will be able to
buy a receiver that will connect to a laptop PC. It will show all ships in
the area, and their course and speed. This will mean that the laptop will
tell us if we are on a collision course. Radar sets that offer this
functionality cost a lot because a good Radar transmitter is an expensive
thing to build.

There is no reason why an AIS receiver should cost more than $100. The
necessary s/w will probably become available as freeware. So, I suspect
that in a couple of years we will all have receivers.


Got a question for you.

Do you think you can go anywhere on earth in a boat without big
brother watching?

If big brother wants to watch you, he can follow you anywhere.

In our office we have a satellite photo(of our area) that was given to us 12
years ago. You can clearly see individual cars driving along. There is no
way that they would have revealed what their real capability was - so I can
only assume that they had the ability to clearly pick out an individual 12
years ago.



I bet they watch every boat at sea everywhere.

I think that they are still limited by manpower. I agree that they have the
technical ability to watch every boat.



I know the whole Gulf
of Mexico is covered with DEA & USCG radar. Every inch of the houston
ship channel is on radar and closed circut TV. In the Gulf they use
big blimp mounted radars. Soon they will deploy unmanned planes that
can stay aloft for months at a time.

It's all done in the name of security!

Once upon a time, our forefathers dreamed of individual liberty. Now, we
cannot even sail upon the high seas without some small minded, uneducated,
bureaucratic "officer" interefering. Of course, these ignorant ****s tell
me that it is for my own good. Sod 'em.


Regards


Donal
--

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Donal
wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
There is a new system being fitted to ships. It transmits information
about
their course, speed, size and various other bits and pieces.


I believe that all boats greater than 20m loa in the States must have
this
system fitted.

Does anybody here have a receiver fitted?


Is it better than Radar? How well does it work?


Regards


Donal
--

It is for large ships only Donal. But it makes you wonder whats in the
future for us.

I'm thinking about the receiver. It should be cheaper to build than a
Radar. I suspect that in a couple of years (if not now?) we will be able to
buy a receiver that will connect to a laptop PC. It will show all ships in
the area, and their course and speed. This will mean that the laptop will
tell us if we are on a collision course. Radar sets that offer this
functionality cost a lot because a good Radar transmitter is an expensive
thing to build.

There is no reason why an AIS receiver should cost more than $100. The
necessary s/w will probably become available as freeware. So, I suspect
that in a couple of years we will all have receivers.


Got a question for you.

Do you think you can go anywhere on earth in a boat without big
brother watching?

If big brother wants to watch you, he can follow you anywhere.

In our office we have a satellite photo(of our area) that was given to us 12
years ago. You can clearly see individual cars driving along. There is no
way that they would have revealed what their real capability was - so I can
only assume that they had the ability to clearly pick out an individual 12
years ago.



I bet they watch every boat at sea everywhere.

I think that they are still limited by manpower. I agree that they have the
technical ability to watch every boat.



I know the whole Gulf
of Mexico is covered with DEA & USCG radar. Every inch of the houston
ship channel is on radar and closed circut TV. In the Gulf they use
big blimp mounted radars. Soon they will deploy unmanned planes that
can stay aloft for months at a time.

It's all done in the name of security!

Once upon a time, our forefathers dreamed of individual liberty. Now, we
cannot even sail upon the high seas without some small minded, uneducated,
bureaucratic "officer" interefering. Of course, these ignorant ****s tell
me that it is for my own good. Sod 'em.

And Navvie thinks this is a good idea! Soon you won't be able to sail
without approved instruction and the right pieces of paper.

Peter Wiley

Anybody got AIS?
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..


And Navvie thinks this is a good idea! Soon you won't be able to sail
without approved instruction and the right pieces of paper.


Soon???????? It's here already.


Coming your way soon!


What the hell are we leaving to our children????



Regards


Donal
--

Anybody got AIS?
 

My Dilemma wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:51:02 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

And Navvie thinks this is a good idea! Soon you won't be able to sail
without approved instruction and the right pieces of paper.

Peter Wiley

Hmmm think of it this way.
Your car is inspected to make sure it's safe and that you are capable
of driving it
this has cut road deaths and trauma.

In today's Politically Correct climate it has become possible to commit the
perfect murder.

All you have to do, is befreind your victim, and go for a walk with him/her
near a pub. Wait until you see a driver leave the pub looking a bit
"tiddly". As his car approaches you, you just have to push your victim into
his path. When the police arrive, they will breathanalyse the driver and -
Voila! .. they will cease their investigations. .... Case closed! The
drunk driver will get 20 years.

That is the real beauty of politically correct legistlation - you don't need
to look at the cause of a crime any more to keep your crime statistics
looking good.

Young muggers would be honest citizens if old aged pensioners didn't provoke
them by carrying their handbags in public!



Regards



Donal
--

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Donny's
Dilemma wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:51:02 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

And Navvie thinks this is a good idea! Soon you won't be able to sail
without approved instruction and the right pieces of paper.

Peter Wiley

Hmmm think of it this way.
Your car is inspected to make sure it's safe and that you are capable
of driving it

Actually in Tasmania cars aren't inspected annually and I don't think
the accident rate is much/any higher than NSW. Registration/insurance
is also *half* of NSW costs for the same vehicle. All my vehicles are
registered here. Handy having addresses in 2 different states.

Besides you overlook the fact that anyone can drive anything they want
without licence or inspection as long as they do it on private
property. All my kids can drive the tractors, bikes etc up the farm.

this has cut road deaths and trauma.
Your ship is inspected to ensure its safe and that the captain and
crew are competant
this has vastly reduced shipping accidents and losses of life.
Aircraft are inspected and the pilot licenced to fly it
this has ensured that loss of life iskept down.
Powerboat drivers are licenced ..... it's debateable whether thai has
achieved anything....

OK.....I'll back out now....cap in hand....

Question of potential damage capability IMO. Cars on public roads -
shared restricted space and possibility of injury to other
people/property. Big ships & planes ditto. Even a small plane makes a
mess if it falls out of the sky and you're underneath it.

Sailboats - where's the percieved benefit to other people? Seems to me
the object is to license to protect people from *themselves* and
secondarily to reduce the expense of rescues. As I've said, I don't
have a problem with simply not rescuing people who commit acts of gross
negligence/stupidity and the best way of doing that is to not know that
they need rescuing. Some hikers in Tasmania have triggered EPIRB's
simply because they were uncomfortable not because they were in a
life-threatening situation. Instead of licensing people we should
restrict rescue signalling devices or impose heavy penalties for
trivial use.

Peter Wiley

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Donal
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..


And Navvie thinks this is a good idea! Soon you won't be able to sail
without approved instruction and the right pieces of paper.


Soon???????? It's here already.


Coming your way soon!

Tasmania will be last. This is the least populated and most backward
state in Australia and that's just how I like it. I can sit in my
lounge room and shoot rabbits out the window if I want to, without my
neighbours saying a word. Just as long as I'm respectful of their
property boundaries and there are no stray bullets. I can buy/build a
sailboat and sail it anywhere I want without needing any paperwork at
all. I can put in a mooring for a boat and in a year or 2, maybe more,
they might find out and ask me to register it & pay a modest fee.

I love it here.

What the hell are we leaving to our children????

An empty wine cellar and a vacant mooring if I get my choice.....

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

We do that here, too.

Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


"Peter Wiley" wrote

I can sit in my
lounge room and shoot rabbits out the window if I want to, without my
neighbours saying a word.

Anybody got AIS?
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

We do that here, too.

Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

"Peter Wiley" wrote

I can sit in my
lounge room and shoot rabbits out the window if I want to, without my
neighbours saying a word.

We're a tad more refined, we generally step out on the deck, burnt cordite
lingers and my wife doesn't like the smell.

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Martin Baxter
wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

We do that here, too.

Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

"Peter Wiley" wrote

I can sit in my
lounge room and shoot rabbits out the window if I want to, without my
neighbours saying a word.

We're a tad more refined, we generally step out on the deck, burnt cordite
lingers and my wife doesn't like the smell.

The muzzle blast can be a problem, too. Even a 22RF is noisy in a
confined space.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

whipped, eh?

"Martin Baxter" wrote

We're a tad more refined, we generally step out on the deck, burnt cordite
lingers and my wife doesn't like the smell.

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

silencer


The muzzle blast can be a problem, too. Even a 22RF is noisy in a
confined space.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

They're illegal.

BTW, did I ever mention that I had a machine shop?

PDW

In article , Scott Vernon
wrote:

silencer


The muzzle blast can be a problem, too. Even a 22RF is noisy in a
confined space.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

I can sit in my
lounge room and shoot rabbits out the window if I want to, without my
neighbours saying a word.

We're a tad more refined, we generally step out on the deck, burnt cordite
lingers and my wife doesn't like the smell.


Don't have any rabbits in our neighborhood. The neighbors ate them all, right
after they finished off the pigeons.



Peter Wiley wrote:
The muzzle blast can be a problem, too. Even a 22RF is noisy in a
confined space.

What's a 22RF? Here we have 22LR (for "long rifle") and 22S (shorts) and 22B
(not sure these are made any more) and 22BB. The BBs are used for popping
balloons in amusement park galleries, hard to find on store shelves but lots of
fun. Perfect for shooting cats or squirrels or rabbits at ranges up to about 30
yards. Better than a compressed air pellet gun and about the same amount of
noise & muzzle blast.

Regards
Doug King

Anybody got AIS?
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote ...

They're illegal.

So?



BTW, did I ever mention that I had a machine shop?


Yes, you have. I have a drill press.

Scotty

Anybody got AIS?
 

RM=Rim Fire. Had to think about that one too. What's a 22B. I have 2
boxes (200) of the 22BB, we call them bird shot. Good for shooting pigeons
and mice in the barn.

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
...
I can sit in my
lounge room and shoot rabbits out the window if I want to, without
my
neighbours saying a word.

We're a tad more refined, we generally step out on the deck, burnt
cordite
lingers and my wife doesn't like the smell.

Don't have any rabbits in our neighborhood. The neighbors ate them all,
right
after they finished off the pigeons.



Peter Wiley wrote:
The muzzle blast can be a problem, too. Even a 22RF is noisy in a
confined space.

What's a 22RF? Here we have 22LR (for "long rifle") and 22S (shorts) and
22B
(not sure these are made any more) and 22BB. The BBs are used for popping
balloons in amusement park galleries, hard to find on store shelves but
lots of
fun. Perfect for shooting cats or squirrels or rabbits at ranges up to
about 30
yards. Better than a compressed air pellet gun and about the same amount
of
noise & muzzle blast.

Regards
Doug King

Anybody got AIS?
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

whipped, eh?


Guess I'll have to ask Peter for his illegal silencer plans.

Cheers
marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

RM=Rim Fire. Had to think about that one too.

Ah so, I should have thought of that. But I never saw a 22 center fire
cartridge.


What's a 22B.

It's a smaller bullet (same caliber obviously but less lead) with less charge.
To be honest I'm not sure they're being made any more.


I have 2
boxes (200) of the 22BB, we call them bird shot. Good for shooting pigeons
and mice in the barn.

The 22BB shot I'm familiar with is a bullet, not a scatter shot. I have some 22
shot shell charges too, we used to call it rat shot or snake shot. I've heard
some people advocate it for personal defense because "it's hard to miss" but a
22LR is skimpy enough for reliably taking out bad guys, bird shot would suck for
that.

They make shot shells for lots of pistols, I used to carry them alternating with
..38+ in a revolver. Kinda handy but again not my first choice for two-legged
type snakes.

DSK

Anybody got AIS?
 

I've seen the .38 bird-shot, kinda pricey, so I went with the hollow points.

SV


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

RM=Rim Fire. Had to think about that one too.

Ah so, I should have thought of that. But I never saw a 22 center fire
cartridge.


What's a 22B.

It's a smaller bullet (same caliber obviously but less lead) with less
charge.
To be honest I'm not sure they're being made any more.


I have 2
boxes (200) of the 22BB, we call them bird shot. Good for shooting
pigeons
and mice in the barn.

The 22BB shot I'm familiar with is a bullet, not a scatter shot. I have
some 22
shot shell charges too, we used to call it rat shot or snake shot. I've
heard
some people advocate it for personal defense because "it's hard to miss"
but a
22LR is skimpy enough for reliably taking out bad guys, bird shot would
suck for
that.

They make shot shells for lots of pistols, I used to carry them
alternating with
.38+ in a revolver. Kinda handy but again not my first choice for
two-legged
type snakes.

DSK

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , DSK
wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

RM=Rim Fire. Had to think about that one too.

Ah so, I should have thought of that. But I never saw a 22 center fire
cartridge.

Lots of them about. 221 Fireball (shortened 222), 222, 218 Bee, 223,
22-250. The list goes on.


What's a 22B.

It's a smaller bullet (same caliber obviously but less lead) with less charge.
To be honest I'm not sure they're being made any more.

Hmm. Flobert-Patronen BB & CB caps. Like a short 22 Short, the BB has a
round lead ball projectile, the CB has a conical projectile. Wonderful
for shooting cats & birds in suburbia. Almost no muzzle blast from a
rifle barrel and quite accurate. I still have a few hundred somewhere.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Scott Vernon
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote ...

They're illegal.

So?

11th Commandment.....

One of my neighbours had obviously had enough of the rabbits last
night. Double-barrelled shotgun, nobody cares about the noise.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Martin Baxter
wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

whipped, eh?


Guess I'll have to ask Peter for his illegal silencer plans.

http://www.paladin-press.com

Anybody got AIS?
 

Peter Wiley wrote:


Guess I'll have to ask Peter for his illegal silencer plans.

http://www.paladin-press.com

cool site, I like the idea of biulding a .50cal rifle out in the shop,
Scott, do you think thats too much gun for cats?

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

Only if you plan to eat them.

"Martin Baxter" wrote
Scott, do you think thats too much gun for cats?

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

Martin Baxter wrote:

cool site, I like the idea of biulding a .50cal rifle out in the shop,
Scott, do you think thats too much gun for cats?

Not at all, one of those will skin 'em & gut 'em for you instantly. If you
can lure them close enough to the muzzle blast, it would probably cook
them too.

DSK

Anybody got AIS?
 

DSK wrote:

Martin Baxter wrote:

cool site, I like the idea of biulding a .50cal rifle out in the shop,
Scott, do you think thats too much gun for cats?

Not at all, one of those will skin 'em & gut 'em for you instantly. If you
can lure them close enough to the muzzle blast, it would probably cook
them too.

DSK

Hmmm, I don't think Katy is going to take to kindly to the turn this thread
has taken. Was it one of the Flashman books where one English Officer turns
to another and says "Do you think I'm using too much gun?", after having shot
a native with some kind of elephant gun, H&H I think?

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
I've seen the .38 bird-shot, kinda pricey, so I went with the hollow points.

SV

Cant find it. I use 22 bird shot with my western auto 22 rifle &
scope. No cat but lots of rats on the dock. So many Im thinking up
cutting off the heads and sticking them on little sticks at the head
of the dock, perhaps that dirty ******* that wakes me in the middle of
the night by running the decks will get a clue.

He got into the green tomatoes we had ripening on the dash. Signed his
own death warrent doing that. The neighbor set out a bunch of poison
yesterday so the shooting gallery fun is most likey over for a while.
Will have a bunch of bloted staggering rats tonight, not much of a
challenge shooting at.

Joe










"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

RM=Rim Fire. Had to think about that one too.

Ah so, I should have thought of that. But I never saw a 22 center fire
cartridge.


What's a 22B.

It's a smaller bullet (same caliber obviously but less lead) with less
charge.
To be honest I'm not sure they're being made any more.


I have 2
boxes (200) of the 22BB, we call them bird shot. Good for shooting
pigeons
and mice in the barn.

The 22BB shot I'm familiar with is a bullet, not a scatter shot. I have
some 22
shot shell charges too, we used to call it rat shot or snake shot. I've
heard
some people advocate it for personal defense because "it's hard to miss"
but a
22LR is skimpy enough for reliably taking out bad guys, bird shot would
suck for
that.

They make shot shells for lots of pistols, I used to carry them
alternating with
.38+ in a revolver. Kinda handy but again not my first choice for
two-legged
type snakes.

DSK

Anybody got AIS?
 

Like my grandpappy always said. ''better to have too much gun, than not
enough''.

Scotty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:

Martin Baxter wrote:

cool site, I like the idea of biulding a .50cal rifle out in the shop,
Scott, do you think thats too much gun for cats?

Not at all, one of those will skin 'em & gut 'em for you instantly. If
you
can lure them close enough to the muzzle blast, it would probably cook
them too.

DSK

Hmmm, I don't think Katy is going to take to kindly to the turn this
thread
has taken. Was it one of the Flashman books where one English Officer
turns
to another and says "Do you think I'm using too much gun?", after having
shot
a native with some kind of elephant gun, H&H I think?

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

that worked on the chipmunks round here.



"Joe" wrote in message . So many Im thinking up
cutting off the heads and sticking them on little sticks at the head
of the dock,

Anybody got AIS?
 

Not with head shots and FMJ projectiles.

In article , Martin Baxter
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote:


Guess I'll have to ask Peter for his illegal silencer plans.

http://www.paladin-press.com

cool site, I like the idea of biulding a .50cal rifle out in the shop,
Scott, do you think thats too much gun for cats?

Cheers
Marty

Anybody got AIS?
 

In article , Donny's
Dilemma wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:33:23 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

Like my grandpappy always said. ''better to have too much gun, than not
enough''.

Scotty

Unless of course you don't like your rabbit scrambled

Heh. Was goat hunting in the Mt Kaputar region some years ago. Rabbit
was minding its own business about 150m away and I had a 6mm Rem loaded
with 85gr Nosler soft nose handloads. There wasn't enough left to
bother picking up.

PDW

Anybody got AIS?
 

Scotty wrote...

"Like my grandpappy always said, ''Scotty, you're so dumb I can't believe we're
related!''.

Scotty

Anybody got AIS?
 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:51:09 -0500, DSK wrote:

Scott Vernon wrote:

RM=Rim Fire. Had to think about that one too.

Ah so, I should have thought of that. But I never saw a 22 center fire
cartridge.
Sure you have, you were in the service. The .223 otherwise know in the military
as the 5.56 Nato is a 22 caliber center fire cartridge. And there are a bunch
of lesser known cartridges popular with varmit hunters.

JJ



What's a 22B.

It's a smaller bullet (same caliber obviously but less lead) with less charge.
To be honest I'm not sure they're being made any more.


I have 2
boxes (200) of the 22BB, we call them bird shot. Good for shooting pigeons
and mice in the barn.

The 22BB shot I'm familiar with is a bullet, not a scatter shot. I have some 22
shot shell charges too, we used to call it rat shot or snake shot. I've heard
some people advocate it for personal defense because "it's hard to miss" but a
22LR is skimpy enough for reliably taking out bad guys, bird shot would suck for
that.

They make shot shells for lots of pistols, I used to carry them alternating with
.38+ in a revolver. Kinda handy but again not my first choice for two-legged
type snakes.

DSK

James Johnson
remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply

Anybody got AIS?
 

Ah so, I should have thought of that. But I never saw a 22 center fire
cartridge

.
James Johnson wrote:
Sure you have, you were in the service. The .223 otherwise know in the military
as the 5.56 Nato is a 22 caliber center fire cartridge.

heh heh that's not a .22 that's a .265 necked down....

DSK