Best Catalina design?
 

What's the best Catalina design?

Best Catalina design?
 

Not being a smartass, but it depends on what you're looking for. Quick
no-brainer would be the Catalina 38, a S&S design that Catalina Yachts
bought on the cheap after another manufacturer tried to make a go of it and
failed.
http://www.catalina38.org/history.htm
Some would also claim the Catalina(Capri?) 37, a one-design racer.
John Cairns
"N1EE" wrote in message
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What's the best Catalina design?

Best Catalina design?
 

38,...it doesn't look or act like a Catalina...we almost bought one when =
we were on the look for Chanteuse....they had basically used it for a =
summer cottage and had left the sails int heir bags to mildew...too =
bad...they had also done some nasty thing to the woodwork below...like =
japaned all the teak to make it look Oriental...we were tempted but the =
amount of work necessary was just a bit beyond what we had =
envisioned....

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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Best Catalina design?
 

As a Cruiser; Catalins 34 short rig. That's my choice, hands down

Ole Thom

Best Catalina design?
 

As a Cruiser; Catalins 34 short rig. That's my choice, hands down

Ole Thom

As long as it doens't rain...they're notorious for their leaky ports and =
rails....

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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Best Catalina design?
 

As long as it doens't rain...they're notorious for their leaky ports and =
rails....


A LOT of good boats had leaky ports. It's a pretty common problem not
particular in the least to Catalina.
Best Catalina is the 36. Prefer it over the 34 because it's lines are a bit
sweeter. I hardly consider the S&S 38 a "true" Catalina.
The 42 is also probably one of the best coastal liveaboard deals on the market.

RB

Best Catalina design?
 

I almost bought a Catalina 38 some years back
in San Francisco. It had too much tumblehome
for my tastes, but I liked the boat. This one
had oversized winches that I thought I could
take off to recoup a big chunk of the purchase
price.

I;ve sailed the 22 (keel version), 25, 27, 270
(new vesion of the 27), the 30, and the 34.

I was impressed with the 25 and 30, which although
they are slow boats, they were fairly comfortable.

The other thing I like about the boats is the fact
that there are so many. There is a market for them
with predictable prices. Which means you can sell
them--unlike many other boats that have small to
zero market value.

Bart Senior


"katysails" wrote

38,...it doesn't look or act like a Catalina...we almost bought one when
we were on the look for Chanteuse....they had basically used it for a
summer cottage and had left the sails int heir bags to mildew...too
bad...they had also done some nasty thing to the woodwork below...like
japaned all the teak to make it look Oriental...we were tempted but the
amount of work necessary was just a bit beyond what we had
envisioned....

Best Catalina design?
 

I didn't know they had a short rig. I've
sailed these boats quite a bit, my only
complaint being, they are very slow compared
to their competition--like the O'Day 35.
This was in San Francisco Bay conditions
were there was plenty of wind.

Why the short rig Thom?

Bart

(Thom Stewart) wrote

As a Cruiser; Catalins 34 short rig. That's my choice, hands down

Ole Thom

Best Catalina design?
 

There is no best Catalina design. In order to have
a best designer one must have a vessel designed
by a reputable naval architect such as Wm. Tripp,
Jim Jackett, Halsey Herschoff, etc.

Who even knows who designs the Catalinas other
than some dufuss at Morgan Yacht?

S.Simon


"N1EE" wrote in message om...
What's the best Catalina design?

Best Catalina design?
 

The Catilina 22. They sold nearly 10,000 I think, one of the best entry
level sailboats of all time.

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What's the best Catalina design?

Best Catalina design?
 

So you are saying Morgan didn't create good designs?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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There is no best Catalina design. In order to have
a best designer one must have a vessel designed
by a reputable naval architect such as Wm. Tripp,
Jim Jackett, Halsey Herschoff, etc.

Who even knows who designs the Catalinas other
than some dufuss at Morgan Yacht?

S.Simon


"N1EE" wrote in message
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What's the best Catalina design?

Best Catalina design?
 

Who even knows who designs the Catalinas other
than some dufuss at Morgan Yacht?

Spoken by the man that worked the Irwin assembly line....

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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Best Catalina design?
 

N1EE wrote:

What's the best Catalina design?

The Capri 37. Not very roomy for it's length but
they're not expensive and they sail great. Very
good looking boat too IMHO.

I wouldn't disagree that the Catalina 22 is one of
the great designs, if allowances are made for era.
In it's day it was the best trailerable cruiser,
but now I think there are dozens of better boats.

If your criteria are cruisability and cost, then
the Catalina 30 should be considered. Not to take
around Cape Horn, of course.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Best Catalina design?
 

Poor old Charlie never designed anything of note.

A few of his older designs had a virtue or two but,
overall, Charlie Morgan isn't listed among the respected
naval architects.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
So you are saying Morgan didn't create good designs?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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There is no best Catalina design. In order to have
a best designer one must have a vessel designed
by a reputable naval architect such as Wm. Tripp,
Jim Jackett, Halsey Herschoff, etc.

Who even knows who designs the Catalinas other
than some dufuss at Morgan Yacht?

S.Simon


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What's the best Catalina design?

Best Catalina design?
 

I like the Catalina 30 too. I was very
impressed with the amount of space it had.
It is a nice little cruiser.

I've seen the Catalina 36 from the outside
and I love the way it looks, but I never
sailed one. They tend to be expensive.

I've sailed the Capri 22 and loved it, but
it was way over canvased for SF bay. I
recommended they cut two feet off the boom.
Later someone had the sense to put cut
used Rhodes 18 mains and that helped.

Tell us more about the Capri 37. If it is
like the Capri 22 I bet I'd love it.

What do they sell for?

Bart

DSK wrote

N1EE wrote:

What's the best Catalina design?

The Capri 37. Not very roomy for it's length but
they're not expensive and they sail great. Very
good looking boat too IMHO.

I wouldn't disagree that the Catalina 22 is one of
the great designs, if allowances are made for era.
In it's day it was the best trailerable cruiser,
but now I think there are dozens of better boats.

If your criteria are cruisability and cost, then
the Catalina 30 should be considered. Not to take
around Cape Horn, of course.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Best Catalina design?
 

Doug, That was worth 5 pts.

I researched the boat. It rates between
72 and 75. Those are fabulous numbers,
and it is a fabulous looking boat. Thanks
for bringing it into the discussion.

http://www.sailboatowners.com/boats/...4&fno=20&bts=T

Bart

DSK wrote

N1EE wrote:

What's the best Catalina design?

The Capri 37. Not very roomy for it's length but
they're not expensive and they sail great. Very
good looking boat too IMHO.

Best Catalina design?
 

I've seen the Catalina 36 from the outside
and I love the way it looks, but I never
sailed one

Greyhound bus with sails....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Best Catalina design?
 

A very good friend owned a 30. He loved it. It sailed
quite nicely. I've sailed dozens of time on a 36 in the
bay. Works great single reefed and 100% jib.

"N1EE" wrote in message
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I like the Catalina 30 too. I was very
impressed with the amount of space it had.
It is a nice little cruiser.

I've seen the Catalina 36 from the outside
and I love the way it looks, but I never
sailed one. They tend to be expensive.

I've sailed the Capri 22 and loved it, but
it was way over canvased for SF bay. I
recommended they cut two feet off the boom.
Later someone had the sense to put cut
used Rhodes 18 mains and that helped.

Tell us more about the Capri 37. If it is
like the Capri 22 I bet I'd love it.

What do they sell for?

Bart

DSK wrote

N1EE wrote:

What's the best Catalina design?

The Capri 37. Not very roomy for it's length but
they're not expensive and they sail great. Very
good looking boat too IMHO.

I wouldn't disagree that the Catalina 22 is one of
the great designs, if allowances are made for era.
In it's day it was the best trailerable cruiser,
but now I think there are dozens of better boats.

If your criteria are cruisability and cost, then
the Catalina 30 should be considered. Not to take
around Cape Horn, of course.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Best Catalina design?
 

I've seen the Catalina 36 from the outside
and I love the way it looks, but I never
sailed one

Greyhound bus with sails....

The 36 does everything well. Good sailing boat with reasonable speed, lots of
room and pleasing to look at. The worst thing you can say about it (or most
Catalinas) is that it's so successful that there's too many of them.

RB

Best Catalina design?
 

N1EE wrote:

Doug, That was worth 5 pts.

I researched the boat. It rates between
72 and 75. Those are fabulous numbers,
and it is a fabulous looking boat. Thanks
for bringing it into the discussion.

I haven't sailed one, but apparently some of the people who have weren't horribly
impressed.

http://old.cruisingworld.com/forums/...x.pl?read=6861

I can't believe a J35 would outsail one very often or by very much, but then the
Express 37 and the Schock 35 are both pretty fast boats with real cabins. A Mumm 36
would leave it in the dust. They all cost more too. The Capri 37 is pretty much a
big daysailor, but it would be possible to use some amenities in the cabin. It's a
Grand Prix styled boat but it's really not Grand Prix fast... but watching them
sail in the Congressional Cup and some of the other events that use them, they look
like a lot of fun to sail.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Best Catalina design?
 

That was my feeling. You can't
one design race them, so that
leaves PHRF--which might be fun,
day sailing, and overnight
cruising--or if you are a hard
core sailor, extended cruising
--since it is weak on the inside
and cramped.

I'd love to try one out. And
the price is low because of the
competition. It would be a good
boat for having fun, without
breaking your wallet, and a bad
boat to impress the ladies. I
can hear them complaining. "But
there is nothing on the inside..."

Bart

DSK wrote

The Capri 37 is pretty much a
big daysailor, but it would be
possible to use some amenities in
the cabin. It's a Grand Prix styled
boat but it's really not Grand Prix
fast... but watching them sail in
the Congressional Cup and some of
the other events that use them,
they look like a lot of fun to sail.

Best Catalina design?
 

Yea, right.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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Poor old Charlie never designed anything of note.

A few of his older designs had a virtue or two but,
overall, Charlie Morgan isn't listed among the respected
naval architects.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message
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So you are saying Morgan didn't create good designs?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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There is no best Catalina design. In order to have
a best designer one must have a vessel designed
by a reputable naval architect such as Wm. Tripp,
Jim Jackett, Halsey Herschoff, etc.

Who even knows who designs the Catalinas other
than some dufuss at Morgan Yacht?

S.Simon


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Best Catalina design?
 

Any one here ever heard of a Starrett and jenks 45?
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The Carrolls wrote:

Any one here ever heard of a Starrett and jenks 45?

Yes. There was one moored down from us last summer.

I don't know how reliable this info is, but supposedly it
is a Morgan design built by a different company (S&J) and
offered for completion as a kit. A handsome boat, I never
saw it sailing so can't offer any opinion on that. If they
were completed as kits, then some will be awesome and some
will be quite rough.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King