Losing the Battle
 

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead. There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

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Drop the anchor immediately and start work on plan B.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead. There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

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Anchor, if there's enough room to make this feasible, otherwise run up on sand.

If you anchor, even if it is marginal holding, it buys time to come up with a
more proper solution. Running up on the beach may seem attractive, but more
often then not the boat is lost. Abandoning the vessel is giving up on it, and
there's no guarantee the dink is any safer.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead. There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Losing the Battle
 

Drop the hook. Start thinking, the passengers job is to pray.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.
There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective
foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at
the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run
aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook
and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Losing the Battle
 

Actually their job is to get a new headsail out.

Cheers MC

The Carrolls wrote:

Drop the hook. Start thinking, the passengers job is to pray.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.

There's no

time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective

foil.

Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at

the

end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run

aground

anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook

and

prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

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Chrome anchor immediately!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.
There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective
foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at
the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run
aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook
and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

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I agree
"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Actually their job is to get a new headsail out.

Cheers MC

The Carrolls wrote:

Drop the hook. Start thinking, the passengers job is to pray.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.

There's no

time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective

foil.

Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at

the

end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run

aground

anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the
hook

and

prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Losing the Battle
 

Losing the Battle
 

Drop the hook.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.
There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective
foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at
the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run
aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook
and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Losing the Battle
 

Wake up, you're dreaming.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.
There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective
foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at
the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run
aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the
hook
and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Losing the Battle
 

If it's a C&C32 abandon ship.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Losing the Battle
 

I wouldn't recommend getting off the boat in the conditions he described.
It's safer on the boat. I would put everything I could as far as anchor goes
in the water, get some sail up.. something is better than nothing, hand off
the helm to someone else, and get the engine going if possible.. If it just
wasn't going to work, and we were losing ground, I'd try and head for
the sand, with the idea of running it up as far as possible. Screw the boat
at this point, it's the people stupid. :-)

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead.
There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective
foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at
the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run
aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the
hook and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Start the dinks motor and tow your vessel out to safety.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

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MSV RedCloud

Bwaaahahahahahahahaaa!
Now that I'd like to see!

Hey, Ozzy....6 years ago I used a Dinghy with a 4 hp to tow a 27 foot sailboat
off a dock that was on fire. The coast guard ordered me to stop the effort to
rescue the boat and I ignored them. I have pics of the huge fire taken
afterwards.

RB

Losing the Battle
 

Hey, Ozzy....6 years ago I used a Dinghy with a 4 hp to tow a 27 foot sailboat
off a dock that was on fire. The coast guard ordered me to stop the effort to
rescue the boat and I ignored them. I have pics of the huge fire taken
afterwards.

RB

Yep, but that wasn't in the middle of a storm on a lee shore

Nope, but the point is that in less than 10 knots on the boat's beam, it was
VERY hard to get her off the pilings. In a storm it just wouldn't happen,
noway, nowhow, even with a 9.9hp.

RB

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Obviously no experience of storm conditions.

Cheers MC

Donals Delight. wrote:

On 24 Nov 2003 07:10:15 -0800, (Joe) wrote:


(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...

Through a series of rogue waves, bad tactics and bad weather, a storm is
blowing you ashore. There is sand. There are rocks. Engine is dead. There's no
time to get you tattered sails into something resembling an effective foil.
Behind you, your Zodiac dinghy is doing a dance, but it's still there at the
end of the tow line.
Forget how or why. You're IN THIS SITUATION. You're expecting to run aground
anytime....

What do you do? Abandon her? Try to ride her into soft sand? Drop the hook and
prey?

Not a quiz. Interested in hearing thoughts on this.

Capt RB

Start the dinks motor and tow your vessel out to safety.

Joe
MSV RedCloud


Bwaaahahahahahahahaaa!
Now that I'd like to see!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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Hey that might work!

Cheers MC

Donals Delight. wrote:

On 24 Nov 2003 21:29:09 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


Hey, Ozzy....6 years ago I used a Dinghy with a 4 hp to tow a 27 foot sailboat
off a dock that was on fire. The coast guard ordered me to stop the effort to
rescue the boat and I ignored them. I have pics of the huge fire taken
afterwards.

RB

Yep, but that wasn't in the middle of a storm on a lee shore

Nope, but the point is that in less than 10 knots on the boat's beam, it was
VERY hard to get her off the pilings. In a storm it just wouldn't happen,
noway, nowhow, even with a 9.9hp.

RB


Exactly, so Joes ridiculous comment that he'd jump in the dinghy and
tow off is just that...ridiculous, Might as well jump overboard with
an anchor around your neck.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Losing the Battle
 

grab a mooring!

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grab a mooring!

Hey, that saved my buddy's J27 two years ago.

RB

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Hey, that saved my buddy's J27 two years ago.

RB

Was he "power gybing"?

Actually, he was close to his mooring field when a T-Storm came along. He got
slammed and managed to grab a mooring (not his) which probably saved him from
becoming "one" with another boat.

RB

Losing the Battle
 

Do you think Booby was recounting his friend's story when he claimed a
similar escapade? In other words he was lying again?

Cheers MC

Donals Dilema wrote:

On 25 Nov 2003 11:55:38 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


Hey, that saved my buddy's J27 two years ago.

RB

Was he "power gybing"?

Actually, he was close to his mooring field when a T-Storm came along. He got
slammed and managed to grab a mooring (not his) which probably saved him from
becoming "one" with another boat.

RB


So your friends are incompetant too?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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Losing the Battle
 

becoming "one" with another boat.

RB

So your friends are incompetant too?

Actually, my friend is a "famous" J27 sailor, who's well known. He lurks here
from time to time. He's yet to damage a boat in 32 years of racing and winning.

RB

Losing the Battle
 

Not racing hard then is he.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

He's yet to damage a boat in 32 years of racing and winning.

Losing the Battle
 

The best bit is I imagine his grabbing the mooring and his arms
stretching like the rubber man! Can you imagine even trying?

Cheers MC

Donals Dilema wrote:

On 25 Nov 2003 23:17:02 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


becoming "one" with another boat.

RB

So your friends are incompetant too?

Actually, my friend is a "famous" J27 sailor, who's well known. He lurks here

from time to time. He's yet to damage a boat in 32 years of racing and winning.

RB


Not surprised if he has the ability to grab a mooring while moving at
speed and hang onto it.
Does he have a blue and red suit as well?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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Losing the Battle
 

Not surprised if he has the ability to grab a mooring while moving at
speed and hang onto it.

What speed was he moving at?

RB

Losing the Battle
 

Ha, I've even been known to run aft while trying to hold on to get it to
a suitable cleat! Of course I didn't have fenders to fall over!

Cheers MC

Donals Dilema wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:22:21 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


The best bit is I imagine his grabbing the mooring and his arms
stretching like the rubber man! Can you imagine even trying?

Cheers MC


I know a man of your experience has never missed picking up a mooring
;-)
BUT, I have got it wrong and know just how difficult it is just to
hold on..if you're silly enough to try..with any way on at all.

Surely Bubbles doesn't believe everything his heroes tell him without
question?

Ahh but wait...he's a Yank...they believe everything Bush tells em.
Maybe Bubbles is compensating for not believeing Bush?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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Dunno, the one where he was out of control in a storm heading toward
another boat that he would not have been able to avoid without
grabbing the mooring!

Never said anything of the sort. I simply said he got slammed and grabbed a
mooring. I can't seem to locate what windspeed equals "slammed."

RB

Losing the Battle
 

Hey Bubbles, I've damaged dozens of boats while racing,


Tripped over fenders?

RB

Losing the Battle
 

Do you think Booby was recounting his friend's story when he claimed a
similar escapade? In other words he was lying again?

Nope, in our case we were getting the catalina off the dock and tried to grab
our mooring. Heavy wind caught us before we got the rode up and over. Two
different situations. He was successful. We weren't.

RB

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You said he grabbed a mooring which saved him from becoming one with
another boat!

Yup, moments later the wind was up around 70 knots. Only lasted 15-20 minutes,
but he'd have been in trouble. Catching the mooring was a good decision.

RB

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He should be a writer.....NOT.

Donals Dilema wrote in message
...
On 26 Nov 2003 05:43:55 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

You said he grabbed a mooring which saved him from becoming one with
another boat!

Yup, moments later the wind was up around 70 knots. Only lasted 15-20
minutes,
but he'd have been in trouble. Catching the mooring was a good decision.

RB

Here we go again, the fluid story!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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