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SkitchNYC November 13th 03 09:45 AM

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Actually, we're the most productive workers on the planet.

Yep, but only because you work more hours/head than others.
Dollar output per hour worked is behind many others.


Prove it. This is just more venal wishful thinking on your part.

DSK November 13th 03 12:48 PM

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Capetanios Oz wrote:


You wish
http://www2.hrnext.com/Article.cfm/Nav/5.0.0.0.28166

This should help.


Interesting link, thanks C' Oz. I'm going to show this to some of my
coworkers later today.

DSK


Jeff Morris November 13th 03 02:01 PM

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"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics ... "

By saying "Dollar output per hour worked is behind many others" you've distorted the
truth.

Here's the table from the original study. Go down to Figure 18b:

http://www.ilo.org/public/english/em...ilm/kilm18.htm

It is true that four countries are slightly more productive per hour than the US (Norway
is the only one significantly higher), that hardly represents "many others."
The US leads by far when measured "per person employed."



Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...
On 13 Nov 2003 09:45:56 GMT, (SkitchNYC) wrote:

Actually, we're the most productive workers on the planet.

Yep, but only because you work more hours/head than others.
Dollar output per hour worked is behind many others.


Prove it. This is just more venal wishful thinking on your part.


You wish
http://www2.hrnext.com/Article.cfm/Nav/5.0.0.0.28166

This should help.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





DSK November 13th 03 09:24 PM

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Capetanios Oz wrote:


Still pretty good numbers, I'd have thought the US and Oz to be much
lower on the list, guess automation etc plays a big part in
productivity.


From up close, it looks like we're all lazy sots, eh? But take heart,
we're not smacked down yet.

BTW I read the article on caffiene and dehydration... it was interesting
that somebody has done research on caffiene habituation and it's diuretic
properties.

Here's an interesting article (well, I thought so anyway) on a similar
topic

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msal****er.html

Fresh Coffee- Doug King


The_navigator© November 14th 03 01:32 AM

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FYI, blood cells don't carry excess salt to the kidney and salt is not
metabolized.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

Capetanios Oz wrote:


Still pretty good numbers, I'd have thought the US and Oz to be much
lower on the list, guess automation etc plays a big part in
productivity.



From up close, it looks like we're all lazy sots, eh? But take heart,
we're not smacked down yet.

BTW I read the article on caffiene and dehydration... it was interesting
that somebody has done research on caffiene habituation and it's diuretic
properties.

Here's an interesting article (well, I thought so anyway) on a similar
topic

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msal****er.html

Fresh Coffee- Doug King



The_navigator© November 14th 03 01:34 AM

Importing
 
Pay some attention to what shower products are being used or you may
start loading up your soil with nasty stuff -like acrylamide and metals.

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:24:47 -0500, DSK
wrote:


Capetanios Oz wrote:


Still pretty good numbers, I'd have thought the US and Oz to be much
lower on the list, guess automation etc plays a big part in
productivity.


From up close, it looks like we're all lazy sots, eh? But take heart,


we're not smacked down yet.

BTW I read the article on caffiene and dehydration... it was interesting
that somebody has done research on caffiene habituation and it's diuretic
properties.



Yep, I drink about 2-3cups of espresso a day so it really isn't a
problem.
At sea that goes up quite a bit, maybe killing time, maybe a little
boredom but my water comsumption remains pretty normal ie, no
dehydration.
With that in mind, I was interested to read that report which
explains why contrary to the myth.

Here's an interesting article (well, I thought so anyway) on a similar
topic

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msal****er.html



Ah yes, I've seen similar before.
My Chem teacher in high school was a sailor and explained the process
during a lecture on osmosis, cell structure and membranes natural and
synthetic.

Fresh Coffee- Doug King



BTW we are on strict water restrictions here, no washing of
cars/boats/hard surfaces, no garden sprinklers etc.
Our consumption has risen with drought and expansion of the population
so storage just can't cope.
Much talk on reuse of grey water, recycling of black water with a turn
around of around 2 years before it reaches our taps again,
And desalination though the consensus is that it uses way to much
energy to be practical.

Will be interesting to see what eventuates.
I'm renovating a bathroom used by my kids and am having the pipework
from theit shower and bath run into a tank for reuse flushing toilets,
watering gardens and maybe washing cars/boats.
Will be interesting to see how it works.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




katysails November 14th 03 12:09 PM

Importing
 
Pay some attention to what shower products are being used or you may=20
start loading up your soil with nasty stuff -like acrylamide and =

metals.

Cheers MC


Soap and shampoo?

MC must bathe with some pretty weird stuff....has anyone ever noticed =
that he glows in the dark?

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


The_navigator© November 16th 03 08:10 PM

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Chech out the labels Oz. You may be shocked.

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:34:13 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Pay some attention to what shower products are being used or you may
start loading up your soil with nasty stuff -like acrylamide and metals.

Cheers MC



Soap and shampoo?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




The_navigator© November 16th 03 08:11 PM

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I though that was my partner!

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

Pay some attention to what shower products are being used or you may

start loading up your soil with nasty stuff -like acrylamide and metals.

Cheers MC



Soap and shampoo?

MC must bathe with some pretty weird stuff....has anyone ever noticed that he glows in the dark?



The_navigator© November 16th 03 10:22 PM

Importing
 
Acrylamide, zinc, aluminium...

Cheers MC



Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:10:49 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Chech out the labels Oz. You may be shocked.

Cheers MC



What am I lookuing for?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




katysails November 16th 03 11:04 PM

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I though that was my partner!

Cheers MC
Your partner is pretty weird stuff? And glows in the dark, too? You =
guys are breathing too many litter box fumes.
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


The_navigator© November 16th 03 11:06 PM

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GLOWS in the dark (think post coital Kook)

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

I though that was my partner!

Cheers MC
Your partner is pretty weird stuff? And glows in the dark, too? You guys are breathing too many litter box fumes.



katysails November 16th 03 11:21 PM

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GLOWS in the dark (think post coital Kook)

Cheers MC

I'm not a perv...I refrain from imagining others in that situation. You =
should rather be having this conversation with Neal. It's the onlt way =
he thinks.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


The_navigator© November 17th 03 12:31 AM

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Bloody hell Oz look what it did to those blokes on its web site! Scary
stuff eh? Why do they put antifreeze in a shampoo?

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:22:10 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Acrylamide, zinc, aluminium...

Cheers MC



Now you've done it.
Disodium Oleamido Peg-2Sulfosuccinate,Amonium Laureth Sulfate, Cucumis
Sativus Extract,Actinidia Chinensis Extract, Coriandrum Sativum
Extract,JasiminumOfficianale Et Neroli, Cocamidopropyl Betaine,Cocos
Nuciferaet Fleures de GardeniaTahitenisis,Huile de Santalum
Album,Huile dePogestomon Cablin, Juniperus Communis, Cananga Odorata,
Huile de Aleurites Moluccana et Huile de Macademia Ternifolia,

Then the good stuff...
Polyquaternium-11,RetinylPalmitate, Panthenol, TocopherylAcetate,
Hydromethylglycinatede Sodium, Acide Citrique,
and last but certainly not least
Parfum....as if there isn't enough smelly stuff in there.

And with all that froggy language....It's made in the USA :-)
http://www.tigihaircare.com/


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Peter Wiley November 17th 03 01:13 AM

Importing
 
In article , Capetanios Oz
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:24:47 -0500, DSK
wrote:

Capetanios Oz wrote:

[snip]

BTW we are on strict water restrictions here, no washing of
cars/boats/hard surfaces, no garden sprinklers etc.
Our consumption has risen with drought and expansion of the population
so storage just can't cope.
Much talk on reuse of grey water, recycling of black water with a turn
around of around 2 years before it reaches our taps again,
And desalination though the consensus is that it uses way to much
energy to be practical.

Will be interesting to see what eventuates.
I'm renovating a bathroom used by my kids and am having the pipework
from theit shower and bath run into a tank for reuse flushing toilets,
watering gardens and maybe washing cars/boats.
Will be interesting to see how it works.


I fail to see the problem. Yeah, Sydney is running short of water but
there is far too much water wasted. Having owned a rural property in
NSW for 20 years and provided all my own water storage, I've been water
conscious all along. I put in a dual system (dam water for
gardens/toilets, potable water for kitchen/washing) back in 1983.
Sydney people are finally starting to face reality.

My new place in Tasmania has some 60,000 litres of storage for potable
water (full right now) plus 2 dams for general watering.

It's going to be real amusing in the years to come. Please don't send
more people this way, though. Prices have gone up and lots of building
is happening all over the place. Next week I pour the slab for my
precision machine shop and finding a concretor is difficult due to the
building boom.

Peter Wiley

katysails November 17th 03 03:32 AM

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Why do they put antifreeze in a shampoo?

WOW! They do that now? When I was in high school we all used to wash =
our hair right before the bus came (we all had rally long straight =
hair...60's ya know) and in the winter our hair would freeze....isn't =
modern science wonderful? Now teenaged girls don't have to have frozen =
hair anymore!

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein


Lady Pilot November 17th 03 03:39 AM

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Capetanios Oz wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:10:49 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:

Chech out the labels Oz. You may be shocked.

Cheers MC


What am I lookuing for?


You haven't figured that out yet? :-)

LP



Peter Wiley November 17th 03 04:21 AM

Importing
 
In article , Capetanios Oz
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:13:43 +1100, Peter Wiley
wrote:
I fail to see the problem. Yeah, Sydney is running short of water but
there is far too much water wasted. Having owned a rural property in
NSW for 20 years and provided all my own water storage, I've been water
conscious all along. I put in a dual system (dam water for
gardens/toilets, potable water for kitchen/washing) back in 1983.
Sydney people are finally starting to face reality.

My new place in Tasmania has some 60,000 litres of storage for potable
water (full right now) plus 2 dams for general watering.

It's going to be real amusing in the years to come. Please don't send
more people this way, though. Prices have gone up and lots of building
is happening all over the place. Next week I pour the slab for my
precision machine shop and finding a concretor is difficult due to the
building boom.

Peter Wiley


You just did a good job outlining the problem.
Water is too cheap, we've wasted it for decades and now all we get is
restrictions without any thought to reductions
Reuse of grey water has actually bee virtually banned until recently
because of Council worries about health issues.


Not to mention that storing rainwater was forbidden until recently.
Visual pollution from tanks or some such rubbish. I wouldn't drink
Sydney rainwater - too much air pollution - but using it on the gardens
etc is fine. Sydney is going to have to conserve/reduce because they
can't get any more - it simply isn't available at any acceptable
environmental cost.

Stuidity reigns!


Sadly true. In Hobart, water isn't even metered. Plenty of supply for
the population. Long may it stay that way.

PDW

Schoonertrash November 17th 03 05:02 AM

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The hotel cafe in Sydney didn't serve water with the menu or meal. But
there was plenty of other beverages




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