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Less than half the country sold their vote for $300...and now a lot of people
are dead because of it. Hope you're happy with our laughing stock president Bush. RB |
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I don't know about the various and sundry halfs. Mine cost you $50,000 a
year . . .after taxes. As a bonus you finally got the infamous mass graves. Didn't make a dime off Kosovo though .. . .course there weren't any graves either. Anyone ever figure out why the US invaded Kosovo? hmmmmmmmmm....... Now if we can just get that support the troops bill through congress. . . .we'll go back to supporting the troops . . . as long as you pay. Being a good union member and shop steward I gotta say . . .God Bless America. . . especially on payday. Thanks for the memories!!!!! MST |
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Bush is better than Hitler, Stalin or Castro!
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Less than half the country sold their vote for $300...and now a lot of people are dead because of it. Hope you're happy with our laughing stock president Bush. RB |
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Schoonertrash wrote: .... Anyone ever figure out why the US invaded Kosovo? We never did invade Kosovo. In any event, if you need a "reason" then it would be the same as invading Iraq.... only less proiftable... DSK |
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True .. . .by the way Doug I have to admit you were right all along. This
union business is definitely the way to go. Once I decided to give up and join in life got better, dramatically better, immediately. Right now we're all hanging and waiting for the new budget to get passed. There's lots of paychecks in that one. I find that most, with few exceptions, don't make the same mistake as Bobspit. That is trying to apply standards and values to the situation when you represent a bankrupt and .how shall I say it . . faintly ridiculous to silly but completely amoral . .yes that's it . . ..viewpoint. It's enough for my membership, the union brothers and sisters, to take the money and leave the why's to those with lots of time to waste on such nonsense. Only thing thats important is how much and who's signing the check. Sorry I missed you on the lower Chesapeake and I'm still reading your book amongst others. I missed, I'm sure, the threads on how your summer trip turned out. In any case .. . . I bet the thread had enough hook in it to get somebody thrashing in the water. Doubtless those who never understood the "real" .asa. Cheers and what do you have planned next? Michael |
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Bobsprit wrote:
Less than half the country sold their vote for $300...and now a lot of people are dead because of it. Hope you're happy with our laughing stock president Bush. No, I'm not happy with The Shrub. OTOH I was even less happy when Clintoon turned a popular food guarding mission into "nation building" that got our Special Forces shot up (Blackhawk Down) by refusing them the tanks they'd asked for - you know, the tanks FBI used to murder religious kooks in Idaho and Texas. And lest we forget, we're reminded by the stat's on "illegal aliens", most of who'd have green cards if Clintoon hadn't diverted INS into a crash effort to get enought Aliens qualified to vote to unseat the congressman (Doonan) who'd blown the whistle on his little misadventure. Or the sale of MIRV technology to the Red Chinese Army after his deal to sell them the Long Beach Navy Yard fell thru. And before that 1000s of hemophiliacs and gays died of AIDS because Ronnie Dearest didn't allow anybody to say "condom" in the Whiite House and JFK and his whiz kids, who gave us the Bay of Pigs, bombers that crashed and ships that couldn't fight; all topped off with the Vietnam War; and don't forget Honest Ike, so wedded to the Mafia that his grand dragon of the FBI, Gay Herbie, swore organized crime didn't exist. And before that .... |
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Schoonertrash wrote:
True .. . Actually, what I meant to say is "We didn't invade Kosovo, we bombed the heck out of it and then occupied it, in conjunction with a large number of allies." .by the way Doug I have to admit you were right all along. This union business is definitely the way to go. Once I decided to give up and join in life got better, dramatically better, immediately. If you can't fight 'em, join 'em. Of course, I myself would no more join a union that I'd become a opera tenor. But then so far I've had the good luck to do fairly well on my own. Right now we're all hanging and waiting for the new budget to get passed. There's lots of paychecks in that one. I find that most, with few exceptions, don't make the same mistake as Bobspit. That is trying to apply standards and values to the situation when you represent a bankrupt and .how shall I say it . . faintly ridiculous to silly but completely amoral . .yes that's it . . .viewpoint. It's enough for my membership, the union brothers and sisters, to take the money and leave the why's to those with lots of time to waste on such nonsense. So does that mean you all don't vote in national elections? Only thing thats important is how much and who's signing the check. heh heh and if it turns out to be the best course of action, after weighing all options... don't hesitate to bite the hand that feeds you. Sorry I missed you on the lower Chesapeake and I'm still reading your book amongst others. I missed, I'm sure, the threads on how your summer trip turned out. It was a hoot. You'd have been amused by our night run through Norfolk harbor, right after the hurricane had put most nav aids out o'biznezz. We were spotting channel markers by the lights from the Navy choppers and trying plot how far out of position they were..... In any case .. . . I bet the thread had enough hook in it to get somebody thrashing in the water. Doubtless those who never understood the "real" .asa. Not sure I understand it myself. Is any of this "real"? Cheers and what do you have planned next? Finish installing this heating system in the boat, with a few lesser projects ongoing simultaneously... weekending... crewing in some local PHRF races for laughs. I got a phone call yesterday from a guy who used to crew with me in the Lightning, he wants to buy it (or a newer one) and hit the district racing circuit, splitting time with me skippering & crewing. We'll see if anything comes of that..... Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Like I said .. the only thing that matters is the paycheck. Or as we used
to say back in the green machine 'do'n mean nuthin, do'n mean a thing." You can drive yourself nuts thinking 'caring' means anything . .. it doesn't. I got through twenty years in the infantry with a healthy mercenary attitude. Something I and the union movement have in common. I like it. I'm home. Here's the real question for allyou flag wavers of whatever variety. If you took away the pay and benefits and relied on 'patriotism' how many troops would be standing tall at first formation next Monday morning? For a hint look up the number of 'volunteers' back in WWII and compare to number that had to be conscripted. Also I'm fanatically anti-draft. If society is worth saving enough will come forward voluntarily. If enough do not come forward the society was not worth saving. (not quoted exactly) R. Heinlein MST |
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One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. We were by the
coaling piers next to the Merrimac Bridge/Tunnel. We came back the Sunday after. As for your other question . .. no you don't bite the hand that feeds you. If it quits feeding you go to work for someone else. Loyalty lasts as long as does the paychecks. After that you don't look back. So did anyone ever figure out why Clinton bombed Kosovo. Wasn't the mass graves theory since there aren't any. Wasn't oil . ..there isn't any. Bigger question is why the admirals and generals violated the War Powers Act and their oaths of office. Think about it and you have your answer. Marks the first time the military turned their back on nation, constitution and laws. And you dummies think this latest one is about 'support our troops?' What it's about is, thanks to Bubba, your opinion doesn't matter and neither do the laws of the country. Sleep well tonight . . . THEIR troops are on the alert. Hey! That's me too isn't it? Smile Big! MST |
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Schoonertrash wrote:
One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. We were by the coaling piers next to the Merrimac Bridge/Tunnel. We came back the Sunday after. One thing that made it interesting is that the placards were blown off many of the daymarks throughout the lower Bay, bouys dragged out of place, and lights extinguished. That plus all the debris... As for your other question . .. no you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Here's a Mark Twain quote for you: "If you bring home a starving dog, and feed him, shelter him, and provide a happy & prosperous life for him, he will not bite you. That is the big difference between humankind and dogs." I'm not advocating biting the hand that feeds you as a noble practice, I'm just cynically aware that the hand which feeds you has it's own purposes for doing so. So did anyone ever figure out why Clinton bombed Kosovo. Wasn't the mass graves theory since there aren't any. Huh? I suppose the numerous reports of mass graves in lots of different press sources are all just a libby-rull fantasy, eh? Or were you confusing "mass graves" with "weapons of mass destruction" which have proved so illusive in Kosovo... no wait I meant Iraq... Wasn't oil . ..there isn't any. True of both places at the moment. Bigger question is why the admirals and generals violated the War Powers Act and their oaths of office. They didn't. Clinton was authorized to use military force just as much as Bush was more recently. I don't expect you to ever absorb and integrate these facts (at least, facts in terms of what actually happens in the real world, like gravity & stuff) since you have in the past preferred to deny inconvenient facts infinitely. But if you really really wanted, you could look it up. Think about it and you have your answer. Marks the first time the military turned their back on nation, constitution and laws. No, it isn't the first time by a long shot. Lots of interesting history reading that will probably come as a shock to you. BTW did you ever do any reading on the economics of the Great Depression, or do you still cling to the idea that the New Deal "didn't work"? Nice piece of neoconservative propaganda, there... did they ever try and tell you that water runs up hill, too? And you dummies think this latest one is about 'support our troops?' What it's about is, thanks to Bubba, your opinion doesn't matter and neither do the laws of the country. Sleep well tonight . . . THEIR troops are on the alert. Hey! That's me too isn't it? C'mon how alert do you have to be to tote beans & bullets across the ocean? Your odds of getting personally shot at have diminished greatly, hadn't you heard the Russian Navy is just a hollow shell these days. Regards Doug King |
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Thenice thing about the hurricane is . ..we were 450 nm off shore, Force
two and three, bright blue skies, deck chairs and suntan lotion kinda cruise. When we got back WHOA! Place looked pretty bad. Luckily my favorite restaurant (seafood place on Willoughby Spit) was all right. More imporantly very few boats, especially sailboats, were damaged. Let's see what first. Water actually does run uphill if you don't bite it? No, that's not it. What I buy into now is the cynical but true union approach. Whatever hand feeds you . . .eat. Since there is little difference in the hands . . . does it matter? Of course not. If it isn't one thing, it s another and if it isn't another its. . . . I do find the WMD business amusing though. At best it's a non-starter and of no importance. Can't imagine why the Chief Shrub even bothered to dignify it with an answer. That mistake on his part finally convinced me he's not as smart as he could be . . .. nor is his staff. For the fun of it I went back and did a google kinda search on the pre-invasion build up. Counted the number of times finding WMD was listed as being germane. Answer: Zero. Then counted the number of times Iraq (the Saddam Regime gov't) was required to demonstrate they didn't have any. Answer: Thousands. Silly conversation at best. Can't imagine why anyone would waste time on it. As to your final sort of question . . . .Two answers. One relating back to the Iran/Iraq war is called 'mines'. The other is . . .who cares. If you all are going to pay us danger pay . . .we all are not going to argue. New Deal . ..etc. The one thing I can't refute, when trying to argue the success of that program, is how come the unemployment figures kept going up and went down only when the nation geared up for war. Other than that little fly in the ointment I'll agree with you. The problem there is the other factors that I didn't factor in; e.g. monetary policy, banking regulations, silly fixation on gold standards etc. etc. etc. Now for those of you who aren't used to this sort of interchange . .. .take note the requirement is to ALWAYS have something sailing related. For the rest of it you give everyone something to complaint (strike that) comment on. It's called stirring the pot by some . . ..trolling by others. MST Trash-A-Danna P.S. DSK by the way presents some first class arguments and always gives me food for thought and research. Sometimes I gotta prod him a little though. After all . . .he is a former rag-baggerd but a good sort none the less. |
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Yes, I expect they did not kill so many Iraqi and Afghani civilians.
Cheers MC JaxAshby wrote: Bush is better than Hitler, Stalin or Castro! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Less than half the country sold their vote for $300...and now a lot of people are dead because of it. Hope you're happy with our laughing stock president Bush. RB |
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Schoonertrash wrote: Thenice thing about the hurricane is . ..we were 450 nm off shore, Force two and three, bright blue skies, deck chairs and suntan lotion kinda cruise. Yep, we listened to all the Navy ships and MARAD (not sure, what's the acronym that replaced MSC) ships getting under way before the storm. Interesting conversations on ch 9 & 13. In fact one of the cool things about the cruise si that my wife has gotten into proper radio communication. Part of her motivation is the constant soap opera going on ch 16, but it's still a good sign (one of many, I'm definitely going to keep her). We're going to get a SSB/ham set at some point in the future. When we got back WHOA! Place looked pretty bad. Luckily my favorite restaurant (seafood place on Willoughby Spit) was all right. heh heh bet I know the place, right by where Norfolk Rebel docks. They still weren't open when we left, electricity out for most of tat part of Norfolk. We met Winchkid there a few times. More imporantly very few boats, especially sailboats, were damaged. Huh? Seemed to me like shredded roller-furl jibs and bashed in topsides were a very common sight. You must have seen that catamaran tat flipped over onto the dock, that was right by Willoughby Spit. Let's see what first. Water actually does run uphill if you don't bite it? No, that's not it. What I buy into now is the cynical but true union approach. Whatever hand feeds you . . .eat. Since there is little difference in the hands . . . does it matter? Of course not. If it isn't one thing, it s another and if it isn't another its. . . . Yep... it's like a big circle going round & round. I do find the WMD business amusing though. At best it's a non-starter and of no importance. Can't imagine why the Chief Shrub even bothered to dignify it with an answer. That mistake on his part finally convinced me he's not as smart as he could be . . .. nor is his staff. For the fun of it I went back and did a google kinda search on the pre-invasion build up. Counted the number of times finding WMD was listed as being germane. Answer: Zero. Excuse me? Did you not count the State of the Union address, or Colin Powells "mission" to the UN with photos of trailers etc etc? Methinks you are falling victim to some sort of wishful thinking. Then counted the number of times Iraq (the Saddam Regime gov't) was required to demonstrate they didn't have any. Answer: Thousands. Silly conversation at best. Can't imagine why anyone would waste time on it. As to your final sort of question . . . .Two answers. One relating back to the Iran/Iraq war is called 'mines'. The other is . . .who cares. If you all are going to pay us danger pay . . .we all are not going to argue. New Deal . ..etc. The one thing I can't refute, when trying to argue the success of that program, is how come the unemployment figures kept going up and went down only when the nation geared up for war. Because they didn't. I don't know where you get your figures, but several sources I can give you show national unemployment definitely cycling down through the mid 1930s as the New Deal began putting tens of thousands of men on the gov't payroll. But I don't expect you to believe *me*. http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/Timeline.htm http://www.shambhala.org/business/go...l#Whathappened There are a couple of great academic articles on monetary contraction, GNP, and unemployment, thru the Depression, but you'd have to get acces to the university servers. If you're really interested, email me. Other than that little fly in the ointment I'll agree with you. The problem there is the other factors that I didn't factor in; e.g. monetary policy, Deficit spending? You bet. That's partly why the neoconservative propaganda is to say 'the New Deal didn't work' the other reason is that they hate FDR almost as much as they hate Kennedy, and any lie that discredits them must be good. banking regulations, silly fixation on gold standards etc. etc. etc. That was a bigger problem for England than the US. They clung to the gold standard when it was clearly a fiscal disaster, in fact tried to go back to it after WW2. Now for those of you who aren't used to this sort of interchange . .. .take note the requirement is to ALWAYS have something sailing related. No it isn't ;) Regards Doug King |
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The other side of the Merrimac Bridge in Newport News. By the time we got
back things looked pretty good but then we saw the specials in the newspaper later on. When I say not so bad I'm comparing it to Andrew and the original 200 mph winds. Of course I believe you! Especially since that's about the time they started counting 95% of the available work force as full employment. That formula held true up until late 92 or early 93 when it was changed to 90% of the available work force with one job inferred for every two known and everyone dropping off unemployment without a job simply dropped from the computation. I believe that is still the current way of doing the math although I'm not sure. Points are - unless you know how the figures are arrived at .. . they don't mean much for one and historically . . .. according to my antecedents .. . not much got better until the run up to and conduct of WWII. That led to max. employment. Which is one thing full blown wars are good for . . .. . ergo . . . .union members support wars. We are nothing but patriotic when it comes to increased paychecks. Another thing we like is increasing the minimum wage. For some unions that's an automatic contractual pay increase. For the rest of us it drives up the cost of living like nothing else save a good gas shortage scare . . ..and that's another automatic pay raise. The little guy gets his food stamps, annual unearned income tax welfare check and so forth so not to worry too much about that segment. Only people that get hurt really are the lower/middle income non-union segment. But then SOMEBODY has to pay the bill. They shoulda joined up and it's the price they pay for going it alone. Didn't put anything in about sailing did I? Well it looks like Thanksgiving Weekend if I'm not working on a river boat it's a choice between sleeping (love these overtime schedules) or zipping around on a wing keel Catalina 22 down in Florida . . .or maybe visiting a friend with a Bristol Channel cutter. Love the choices and they are all so affordable. Hey boys and girls keep working, keep paying taxes - we all thank you. And don't forget social security starts in a few years. Those maximum benefits are going to look real good in my cruising kitty! (taking his leave with a big tongue in cheek grin) MST PS MAST became MSC or Military Sealift Command the current name. Navy owns the ships. Some are run by MSC direct (tugs, tankers, underway replenishment etc.) Some are run on contracts and manned by union crews. Some work for the Navy specifically and some are dedicated to support USMC, USAF or US Army. That's what we do on the USNS Bob Hope-less. Carry up to 950 vehicles and/or trailers at one time . Or we can do containers or a mix of both. |
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like this one? http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/309558.jpg
SV "Schoonertrash" wrote ... One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. |
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I'll bet the owner of this sailboat would argue that point.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/684980.jpg SV "Schoonertrash" wrote in message ... . More imporantly very few boats, especially sailboats, were damaged. |
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Scott Vernon wrote:
I'll bet the owner of this sailboat would argue that point. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/684980.jpg Way to go Scotty, now the Iraqis will find out about the CIAs' new "stealth sailboat" the thing has that new "over the horizon" Ronald Raygun weapons of mass destruction detector mounted at the mast head. Cheers Marty |
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"Schoonertrash" wrote ... One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. Scott Vernon wrote: like this one? http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/309558.jpg Now that's a cool pic! Let's see, red right returning.... which side would you take this marker?? DSK |
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Could be in Norfolk for the hovercrafts.
BTW, Haggy gave me that pic. Scotty "DSK" wrote in message ... "Schoonertrash" wrote ... One of the big buoy markers was beached right near us. Scott Vernon wrote: like this one? http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/309558.jpg Now that's a cool pic! Let's see, red right returning.... which side would you take this marker?? DSK |
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Schoonertrash wrote:
The other side of the Merrimac Bridge in Newport News. By the time we got back things looked pretty good but then we saw the specials in the newspaper later on. When I say not so bad I'm comparing it to Andrew and the original 200 mph winds. I don't think they got hit as hard up in the river. Where we were (Chesapeake township, south and slightly west of Norfolk) we had 93mph gusts and sustained winds in the upper 60s. Not as much blowing debris as I expected. (about the New Deal and Depression-era unemployment)... Of course I believe you! Especially since that's about the time they started counting 95% of the available work force as full employment. That formula held true up until late 92 or early 93 when it was changed to 90% of the available work force with one job inferred for every two known and everyone dropping off unemployment without a job simply dropped from the computation. Umm, no. Where do you get this stuff? The method of figuring unemployment and GNP changes approx every decade as basic economic background conditions change. But in the absence of solid math, the figures on unemployment, CPI and GNP for the Depression consistently point to a significant reduction in unemployment in some years. Is it because of the New Deal? I don't know for sure, I'm just saying that the gov't hired tens of thousands (actually I think it was 100s of thou) and money started flowing again. In any event, what you're saying adds up to: 'Im sticking with my preconceived notion regardless of many contrary facts.' and you know what? In 1944 people in Germany believed that they were winning the war, for the same reason you believe this New Deal claptrap. I have a problem with a gov't that bases it's policies on wishful thinking and deliberate lies. You should too. Didn't put anything in about sailing did I? Well it looks like Thanksgiving Weekend if I'm not working on a river boat it's a choice between sleeping (love these overtime schedules) or zipping around on a wing keel Catalina 22 down in Florida . . .or maybe visiting a friend with a Bristol Channel cutter. Love the choices and they are all so affordable. "Zipping" and "Catalina 2" should not be used in the same sentence. Other than that, sounds like a lot of fun. If you find yourself in NC on a windy afternoon, let me know and we'll shake the moths out of the Jn-18 spinnaker. Hey boys and girls keep working, keep paying taxes - we all thank you. And don't forget social security starts in a few years. Those maximum benefits are going to look real good in my cruising kitty! heh heh except that the gummint is going to confiscate all Social Security funds to pay wars in various 3rd world potentially terrorist companies. Also their internet spying devices are expensive.... Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Yup, they first toyed with using a 15' high stern ladder, but when the
prototype was finished no one could stop laughing at it, so they scrapped the idea. Sold the boat though. SV "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: I'll bet the owner of this sailboat would argue that point. http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/684980.jpg Way to go Scotty, now the Iraqis will find out about the CIAs' new "stealth sailboat" the thing has that new "over the horizon" Ronald Raygun weapons of mass destruction detector mounted at the mast head. Cheers Marty |
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I'll bet the owner of this sailboat would argue that point.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/684980.jpg Abusive imagery violation. RB |
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One of the nicer things about my workplace we never stay in areas where it
gets above Force nine or ten. In a year and a half plus of doing this, Atlantic, Pacific, Med, Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean and Indian Oceans I've seen Force 9 once and that for only 7 or 8 hours. It's a case of Christopher Columbus eat your heart out. We get weather update information constantly and with our speed can easily out run, sidestep, or circle behind just about anything. Reason for it is we can't do our job in the middle of big storms. Plus the bosses just hate to spend money fixing things when it's easier to go elsewhere for a while. Can't say I disagree with them. It's one thing I'll miss going back to the small boats. MST |
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