How long did it take you !
 

I've had RedCloud for almost 10 years now and have sail her more than
3000 miles, but I feel I still have things to learn about sailing her.
Thats been the best thing about having a sailboat is learning how to
get 110% out of her. Ol thom has given many tips that helped me learn
how to get more out of the sails. When I bought Redcloud I had no
ideal what half the rigging was for.

Makes me wonder why someone would jump boat to boat every year, and
never really fully understand what he has. Its like starting to read a
book and putting it down half way thru.

How long did it take you to really understand everything your boat
can do?

I still get a new suprise every now and then.

Joe

How long did it take you !
 

"Joe" wrote ...

Thats been the best thing about having a sailboat is learning how to
get 110% out of her.


Joe, you'll NEVER get 110% out of her. It's impossible.


Makes me wonder why someone would jump boat to boat every year, and
never really fully understand what he has. Its like starting to read a
book and putting it down half way thru.

A.D.D.



How long did it take you to really understand everything your boat
can do?

Just started.

Scotty

How long did it take you !
 

3000 miles in 10 years? That doesn't sound like much at all. I've done about 8000 in the 4 years
I've had my cat. Even without long passages, I must do 600 miles a year just putzing around.

I'd say my knowledge of boats peaked when I was about 28. At that age I knew everything there was
to know about anything. Now I find there's more and more that I don't understand.

I'm often reminded of a minor revelation I had about 8 years ago. I took out a friend on my old
Nonsuch. He was a near-Olympic level Star sailor (I think he was first or second alternate for
Barcelona), and had raced for many years in Boston Harbor where we were cruising around. He started
playing with my rig and in about 15 minutes had us pointing 30 degrees higher and going twice as
fast (so it seemed).

Then I mentioned to him that we were heading right for the only rock in the middle of the harbor
(Lower Middle) and since it was low tide we should honor the buoy. He said "no, its on the other
side of the buoy" and I had to show him on the chart where the channel ran. He said "Damn, you
mean all theses years I thought it was over there?" He may have been the best racer in the city,
but he didn't know how to read a chart and didn't know about a channel that was a few hundred yards
from his race course.

The moral is that as much as you know about one aspect of the sport, its impossible to know
everything.


--
-jeff

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
I've had RedCloud for almost 10 years now and have sail her more than
3000 miles, but I feel I still have things to learn about sailing her.
Thats been the best thing about having a sailboat is learning how to
get 110% out of her. Ol thom has given many tips that helped me learn
how to get more out of the sails. When I bought Redcloud I had no
ideal what half the rigging was for.

Makes me wonder why someone would jump boat to boat every year, and
never really fully understand what he has. Its like starting to read a
book and putting it down half way thru.

How long did it take you to really understand everything your boat
can do?

I still get a new suprise every now and then.

Joe

How long did it take you !
 

When I bought Redcloud I had no
ideal what half the rigging was for.

Wow. That must have been an imformed purchase! Do you know at least 3/4 now?

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

How long did it take you !
 

The day you stop learning what your boat can do or will do, will be the day it
sinks, you die, or sell it.

Shen

How long did it take you !
 

Makes me wonder why someone would jump boat to boat every year, and
never really fully understand what he has. Its like starting to read a
book and putting it down half way thru.

Nothing wrong with either way. I had the Catalina 27 for 5 seasons. The Pearson
30 for 3. Perhaps we'll sail the C&C 32 for 2 or 3. I enjoy owning and trying a
variety of boats. I'm also unlikely to keep a car for more than a few years.
Some of the best sailors never own a boat. I make a point of trying as many
different designs as possible. Only in that way can I make anything close to an
informed decision about a long term boat down the road. Just like the 20's and
30's are time for sex with a variety of women, the same sorta goes for boats.
I'm 41 (next month) and not ready to "settle" down with any one boat yet.
There's still too much to learn and no single boat can teach it. I plan to sail
the 34XL for 3-4 years and then I want a Ketch, schooner or Yawl for a while.

Capt RB

How long did it take you !
 

The day you stop learning what your boat can do or will do, will be the day it
sinks, you die, or sell it.

Golly! Really? Drop the fortune cookie and back away.
The same can be said for nearly anything...cars, bikes, women....it's a dumb
point.
Move along.

RB

How long did it take you !
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
3000 miles in 10 years? That doesn't sound like much at all. I've done about 8000 in the 4 years
I've had my cat.


Big Deal! What's that but three or four trips up and down the
ICW. Bwahahahahhaahahhhaahah!

S.Simon - has some serious ocean time aboard my yacht

How long did it take you !
 

Bull****! If one lives aboard and sails for ten years one
learns all there is to know about his boat.

It is only people like you who suffer from senile dementia
who constantly forget things so when you have to learn them
again you think you're learning something new.

S.Simon - has complete understanding and mastery of
his fine, blue water sailing yacht


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
The day you stop learning what your boat can do or will do, will be the day it
sinks, you die, or sell it.

Shen

How long did it take you !
 

You're no sailor.

Any real sailor develops a relationship with his vessel
as strong or stronger than any family ties.

That you buy, dabble and sell shows you're incapable
of loving a sailboat as you love even yourself.

S.Simon



"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Makes me wonder why someone would jump boat to boat every year, and
never really fully understand what he has. Its like starting to read a
book and putting it down half way thru.

Nothing wrong with either way. I had the Catalina 27 for 5 seasons. The Pearson
30 for 3. Perhaps we'll sail the C&C 32 for 2 or 3. I enjoy owning and trying a
variety of boats. I'm also unlikely to keep a car for more than a few years.
Some of the best sailors never own a boat. I make a point of trying as many
different designs as possible. Only in that way can I make anything close to an
informed decision about a long term boat down the road. Just like the 20's and
30's are time for sex with a variety of women, the same sorta goes for boats.
I'm 41 (next month) and not ready to "settle" down with any one boat yet.
There's still too much to learn and no single boat can teach it. I plan to sail
the 34XL for 3-4 years and then I want a Ketch, schooner or Yawl for a while.

Capt RB

How long did it take you !
 

That you buy, dabble and sell shows you're incapable
of loving a sailboat as you love even yourself.

As a TRUE sailor, I love sailboatS, not a sailboat.
Your limited, as I've always known.

RB

How long did it take you !
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
That you buy, dabble and sell shows you're incapable
of loving a sailboat as you love even yourself.

As a TRUE sailor, I love sailboatS, not a sailboat.
Your limited, as I've always known.

Faulty logic. Any whore can claim she loves men.
This makes her a whore - not a woman.

A true woman loves only one man. A true sailor
loves only one boat.

S.Simon

How long did it take you !
 

Faulty logic. Any whore can claim she loves men.
This makes her a whore - not a woman.

The very fact that you draw such a comparison, as if any boat can be likened to
a whore or a john, speaks volumes of your true failure as a sailor.

RB

How long did it take you !
 

A true woman loves only one man. A true sailor
loves only one boat.

So then we may assume you never had a boat before the 27 and will never own
another.

Good!

RB

How long did it take you !
 

Golly! Really? Drop the fortune cookie and back away.
The same can be said for nearly anything...cars, bikes, women....it's a dumb
point.
Move along.

RB


Only to someone, such as you, too dumb to understand a basic principal.

Shen

How long did it take you !
 

That isn't always true. Look at Bobby Sue. He can't stop learning
until after he starts.

BB



G Point taken

Shen

How long did it take you !
 

ject: How long did it take you !
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 10/22/2003 09:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Bull****! If one lives aboard and sails for ten years one
learns all there is to know about his boat.

It is only people like you who suffer from senile dementia
who constantly forget things so when you have to learn them
again you think you're learning something new.

S.Simon - has complete understanding and mastery of
his fine, blue water sailing yacht

The above is a prime example of another "Boob", too dumb to realize he knows
far less than he thinks he does.

Shen

How long did it take you !
 

Joe wrote:

I've had RedCloud for almost 10 years now and have sail her more than
3000 miles, but I feel I still have things to learn about sailing her.

It's likely that you'll *always* have more to learn. One of the things
that I love about sailing is that it is limitless.


Thats been the best thing about having a sailboat is learning how to
get 110% out of her.

That's a joke. Relatively few sailors know how to get even 90% out of
their vessel, in terms of performance. World class racing skippers can get
95% +, but it takes a lot of work. And even Buddy Melges or Paul Elvstrom
can have an off day.

Until you have raced one-design, you don't know as much as you think you
do about how to get a vessel to perform. That's why so many 'cruising
sailors' profess to hate racing... they like to cling to the self delusion
that they are good sailors, and getting left in the dust shatters the
illusion.

Of course, there's more to sailing than just speed. Learning how to sail
the boat comfortably in a seaway, for example, or how to make ground to
windward under unfavorable conditions, or maneuvering in tight spaces, etc
etc. The list is practically endless.


Ol thom has given many tips that helped me learn
how to get more out of the sails. When I bought Redcloud I had no
ideal what half the rigging was for.

I consider it pretty basic to know what *all* the rigging does.


How long did it take you to really understand everything your boat
can do?

Usually a season or two.

How seriously do you appraoch learning about your boat & it's
characteristics? Ever studied a naval architecture textbook? This can be a
great way to learn the background of why boats behave the way they do, and
where your particular boat fits into the huge array of variables affecting
performance. Another thing that people rarely do is to deliberately
practice uncommon maneuvers (or for that matter, even the common ones).
This is a way to take big steps up the learning curve.



I still get a new suprise every now and then.

That's part of what keeps it fun.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

How long did it take you !
 

You'd have a point except that I've only done it once in this boat.

300 miles a year isn't much - that would be one trip to the Vineyard for me, or half a
trip to Maine. I'm guessing Joe off in his computations.

The truth is Neal, you may spend more time on your boat than most of us, but you don't
really travel that far. I'll bet RB sailed further than you did this Summer.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
3000 miles in 10 years? That doesn't sound like much at all. I've done about 8000 in
the 4 years
I've had my cat.


Big Deal! What's that but three or four trips up and down the
ICW. Bwahahahahhaahahhhaahah!

S.Simon - has some serious ocean time aboard my yacht

How long did it take you !
 

I doubt that. My one trip to Key West probably represents
more miles than Booby's little in-sight-of-the-dock excursions.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
You'd have a point except that I've only done it once in this boat.

300 miles a year isn't much - that would be one trip to the Vineyard for me, or half a
trip to Maine. I'm guessing Joe off in his computations.

The truth is Neal, you may spend more time on your boat than most of us, but you don't
really travel that far. I'll bet RB sailed further than you did this Summer.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
3000 miles in 10 years? That doesn't sound like much at all. I've done about 8000 in
the 4 years
I've had my cat.


Big Deal! What's that but three or four trips up and down the
ICW. Bwahahahahhaahahhhaahah!

S.Simon - has some serious ocean time aboard my yacht

How long did it take you !
 

Only to someone, such as you, too dumb to understand a basic principal.

Wow. This is the idiot who's been taking a beating from Neal? Now I see why.
That's quite an advanced point you made there.

RB

How long did it take you !
 

No one took a beating from Neal; Neal wet his pants in front of the group. But you were
too dumb to understand that, weren't you?


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Only to someone, such as you, too dumb to understand a basic principal.

Wow. This is the idiot who's been taking a beating from Neal? Now I see why.
That's quite an advanced point you made there.

RB

How long did it take you !
 

No one took a beating from Neal; Neal wet his pants in front of the group.

Yup, from laughing at all of you!

Bwahahahahahaha...whoops!

RB

How long did it take you !
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
3000 miles in 10 years? That doesn't sound like much at all. I've done about 8000 in the 4 years

Thats on Red Cloud, most of the local sailing we do on our La Brisa.
Add another 3000 miles for it, and a couple of 1000 on other boats.
Been spending to much time working for a living. And before I bought
RedCloud,I had a few 100 thousand miles under various keels working as
a Captain. Ill get back in the grove someday, I plan on sailing to
Palmyra for my first long trip.



I've had my cat.


Big Deal! What's that but three or four trips up and down the
ICW. Bwahahahahhaahahhhaahah!


I try to stay out of the ditch, to many headaches. After pushing fuel
barges in the ditch for years not much new to see.

However I might jump in and out of the ditch heading to Cape Coral at
the end of the year.

Joe



S.Simon - has some serious ocean time aboard my yacht

How long did it take you !
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Makes me wonder why someone would jump boat to boat every year, and
never really fully understand what he has. Its like starting to read a
book and putting it down half way thru.

Nothing wrong with either way. I had the Catalina 27 for 5 seasons.

Very interesting.

The Pearson
30 for 3.

Really interesting! Yawn!


Perhaps we'll sail the C&C 32 for 2 or 3.

Interesting. Yaawwn!


I enjoy owning and trying a
variety of boats.

Do you? That's really interesting! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm also unlikely to keep a car for more than a few years.

Good man!

Some of the best sailors never own a boat. I make a point of trying as
many
different designs as possible.

That's quite interesting. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Only in that way can I make anything close to an
informed decision about a long term boat down the road.

Oh, Sweet Jesus! How Interesting can this post get???? [Yawwwnnnnn]



Just like the 20's and
30's are time for sex with a variety of women, the same sorta goes for
boats.
I'm 41 (next month) and not ready to "settle" down with any one boat yet.
There's still too much to learn and no single boat can teach it. I plan to
sail
the 34XL for 3-4 years and then I want a Ketch, schooner or Yawl for a
while.


Bobby, are you trying to BORE us to death with your intermnable stories
about your unsatisfied boating requirements?

Why don't you go out and buy a boat that you actually want? .... Just like
the rest of us did?

Regards



Donal
--

How long did it take you !
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Faulty logic. Any whore can claim she loves men.
This makes her a whore - not a woman.

The very fact that you draw such a comparison, as if any boat can be
likened to
a whore or a john, speaks volumes of your true failure as a sailor.


The fact that you would compare a boat to a whore, speaks volumes about your
view of boating.

Some people buy a boat -- and some people charter a boat for the weekend.


Your boat is a temporary fixture that provides nothing more than short term
pleasure..... A bit like a whore, really!

Regards



Donal
--

How long did it take you !
 

Bobby, are you trying to BORE us to death with your intermnable stories
about your unsatisfied boating requirements?

Sounds a bit bitter, don't he??!!

RB

How long did it take you !
 

Why don't you go out and buy a boat that you actually want?

Impossible. At last count I want 33 boats.
Sorry you think so small.

Bwahahahahaha! He sets em' up, I knock em down!

RB

How long did it take you !
 

Some people buy a boat -- and some people charter a boat for the weekend.

No one ever truly owns anything, Donal. Not exactly an advanced ideal, but
surely too much for you!
That's why I'm about to own a better boat than you in every way YOU deem
important. The best part is that I do so with something that would have saved
you from your current boat...actual boat experience.
Sorry, thems the facts. See any other Beneteau's in this group? Ever wonder
why? I've made better choices and here comes the 34XL...a better choice
still...until I move up!
Keep slumming!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

How long did it take you !
 

"Donal" wrote in message

| Why don't you go out and buy a boat that you actually want? .... Just
like
| the rest of us did?

Now Now Donal...... Bob's been working his way to that goal.

Let's see now.... there was "The Step Up", "The Stepping Stone", "The Side
Step" and now I believe he's talking about the possibility of "The Long
Step".

I'm certain we'll hear about every flat-footed creak of every ponderous
footfall on his way up the Stairway to Heaven.

CM

How long did it take you !
 

I'm certain we'll hear about every flat-footed creak of every ponderous
footfall on his way up the Stairway to Heaven.

Makes me wonder....

RB

How long did it take you !
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:55:46 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Bull****! If one lives aboard and sails for ten years one
learns all there is to know about his boat.

It is only people like you who suffer from senile dementia
who constantly forget things so when you have to learn them
again you think you're learning something new.

S.Simon - has complete understanding and mastery of
his fine, blue water sailing yacht


You don't even know how a Greek fisherman's hat works.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

How long did it take you !
 

"Horvath" wrote in message

| You don't even know how a Greek fisherman's hat works.

Everyone knows how it works..... it turns the wearer into a goofy object of
ridicule that only vast amounts of cash can silence the crowds to merely
giggle behind the bearer's back.

You'll usually find Greek Fisherman's Cap wearers driving Ferraris that have
a big stickshift for them to hold.

Then again most Hunter sailors can readily be identified by their
breasts....

CM

How long did it take you !
 

And, you do. You bent over to pick it up and weren't
even startled.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:55:46 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Bull****! If one lives aboard and sails for ten years one
learns all there is to know about his boat.

It is only people like you who suffer from senile dementia
who constantly forget things so when you have to learn them
again you think you're learning something new.

S.Simon - has complete understanding and mastery of
his fine, blue water sailing yacht


You don't even know how a Greek fisherman's hat works.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

How long did it take you !
 

People you meet once remeber your name even after months without
contact.

Big deal. They'd do the same if you wore a Mickey Mouse hat.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

How long did it take you !
 

Zaino is better. But I doubt its made it that far.

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc



The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:45:46 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:

Everyone knows how it works..... it turns the wearer into a goofy object of
ridicule that only vast amounts of cash can silence the crowds to merely
giggle behind the bearer's back.

Actually Mooron it works sorta like a trademark.
People you meet once remeber your name even after months without
contact.
Mate of mine had a gold cap on the first molar instead of the normal
porcelain for exactly that reason.

You'll usually find Greek Fisherman's Cap wearers driving Ferraris that have
a big stickshift for them to hold.
The car is a worry.
I'd been led to believe as do most people that they are chick
magnets.....it's the exact opposite, guys walk away from their women
in droves to come over and talk about the car, all the while rubbing
their greasy little paws over pristine paintwork. Gay guys arrive in
pairs but holding hands so that at least halves the paws marks.
I have to carry a spray pack of Meguires Quick Detailer around to
clean off the drool
http://www.teammeguires.com/productline.asp?c=5
I keep thinking I should take a single desperate mate with me to pick
up the women while the men are distracted.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

How long did it take you !
 

I've never used the high quality meguires - I gather there are different versions of it for
different markets. There are periodic debates in the car groups as to whether Meguires is better
than Zaino. It seemed that the "informed" vote was for Zaino, so I got a mess of it for my last new
car and I've been happy with it. As you might tell from their site, its a pretty small operation.

--
-jeff




The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ...
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:54:35 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

Zaino is better. But I doubt its made it that far.

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

Looks interesting, you've used Meguires?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

How long did it take you !
 

The Captains Nemesis wrote

Actually Mooron it works .

Gay guys arrive in pairs .
and I have to drool


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.