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Read the breaking information below and then
try to stand behind a captain who was obviously totally unqualfied to run the ferry. "A high-ranking law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said investigators were probing what part prescription drugs might have played in the accident. "Early blood sample results from the pilot, Assistant Capt. Richard Smith, indicated alcohol was not a factor in the tragedy, the source said. Smith attempted suicide after the crash and was hospitalized under police guard; his condition Friday was listed as critical but stable. "Investigators also were examining conflicting reports on the position of other crew members. Under city Department of Transportation procedures, the pilot and captain are typically both in the pilot house as the boat enters port. "If the policy ... was implemented at the time of the accident, we don't know," Engleman said earlier. "The NTSB, which is leading the probe, began interviewing deckhands and engineering crewmembers Thursday, as well as survivors of the crash and their families. Investigators were gathering background information on the crew, including Smith, and were working to create a "72-hour history" leading up to the crash. "Authorities said Smith, 55, bolted from the scene of the crash and twice attempted suicide at his home. He spoke with police Wednesday but was not interviewed in depth, Engleman said. Investigators will talk to him when it is "medically prudent," she said Friday. "Investigators confirmed that Smith also was at the helm of the Andrew J. Barberi when it crashed into the Staten Island dock in July 1995, injuring some passengers. That accident was blamed on a propeller failure. "In 1997, Smith was also transferred off captain's duty at the Staten Island ferry after he refused to let an inspector interview him and inspect the captain's quarters, a former transportation commissioner said. "Christopher Lynn, commissioner in 1996 and 1997, said Friday he transferred Smith to command a boat that ferried corpses to a potter's field. "I drew a very negative imprint from the fact that he wouldn't let the inspector in," said Lynn, who first spoke to the New York Post in Friday editions. "When you have somebody that's carrying 6,000 people in a boat that cost $25 million, I took him off that." "Lynn said he was stunned to learn that Smith was at the controls of the crashed ferry. "I thought I had solved that problem," he said. " The man has a rather damning history, don't you think? S.Simon |
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Rush was the guy driving???
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Read the breaking information below and then try to stand behind a captain who was obviously totally unqualfied to run the ferry. "A high-ranking law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said investigators were probing what part prescription drugs might have played in the accident. "Early blood sample results from the pilot, Assistant Capt. Richard Smith, indicated alcohol was not a factor in the tragedy, the source said. Smith attempted suicide after the crash and was hospitalized under police guard; his condition Friday was listed as critical but stable. "Investigators also were examining conflicting reports on the position of other crew members. Under city Department of Transportation procedures, the pilot and captain are typically both in the pilot house as the boat enters port. "If the policy ... was implemented at the time of the accident, we don't know," Engleman said earlier. "The NTSB, which is leading the probe, began interviewing deckhands and engineering crewmembers Thursday, as well as survivors of the crash and their families. Investigators were gathering background information on the crew, including Smith, and were working to create a "72-hour history" leading up to the crash. "Authorities said Smith, 55, bolted from the scene of the crash and twice attempted suicide at his home. He spoke with police Wednesday but was not interviewed in depth, Engleman said. Investigators will talk to him when it is "medically prudent," she said Friday. "Investigators confirmed that Smith also was at the helm of the Andrew J. Barberi when it crashed into the Staten Island dock in July 1995, injuring some passengers. That accident was blamed on a propeller failure. "In 1997, Smith was also transferred off captain's duty at the Staten Island ferry after he refused to let an inspector interview him and inspect the captain's quarters, a former transportation commissioner said. "Christopher Lynn, commissioner in 1996 and 1997, said Friday he transferred Smith to command a boat that ferried corpses to a potter's field. "I drew a very negative imprint from the fact that he wouldn't let the inspector in," said Lynn, who first spoke to the New York Post in Friday editions. "When you have somebody that's carrying 6,000 people in a boat that cost $25 million, I took him off that." "Lynn said he was stunned to learn that Smith was at the controls of the crashed ferry. "I thought I had solved that problem," he said. " The man has a rather damning history, don't you think? S.Simon |
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ROFL ..... The News Media just loves gullible fools like you.
Assuming you've copied the reports correctly, all it does is raise more questions (answers one .. no alcohol). Actually, continues to confirm your status, as an ASS. Shen |
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Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... ROFL ..... The News Media just loves gullible fools like you. Assuming you've copied the reports correctly, all it does is raise more questions (answers one .. no alcohol). Actually, continues to confirm your status, as an ASS. Shen |
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Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news
From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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Shen44 wrote:
Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Classic Nil, when he gets thoroughly trashed and shown to be an idiot he reverts to sexual innuendo and little hissy fits. It was easy to see it coming, he stopped trying to defend his COLREGS troll yesterday and started posting this latest string of whiny one-liners. Sad I suppose, but what more can you expect from an internet wannabe who isn't fit for the sea-life he claims. Rick |
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I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains
who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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The International ColRegs don't give any vessel "Right of Way." They only give vessels
obligations. You're the one with the biased view - you demonstrated that in this post! Its a good thing your license will expire next month. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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End of next month - the 25th if I remember correctly.
Don't worry, it will be renewed - I'm working on the paperwork right now and I've the physical and drug test scheduled in the first week in November. Heck, they give you a whole years grace to renew it. S.Simon - is a Master and will remain a master for many, many years yet. P.S. Right of way is just another way of saying stand-on vessel. I expect Shen, otn and that little twerp Rick not to know terminology but you should not be so ignorant. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... The International ColRegs don't give any vessel "Right of Way." They only give vessels obligations. You're the one with the biased view - you demonstrated that in this post! Its a good thing your license will expire next month. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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Jeff Morris wrote:
Its a good thing your license will expire next month. It really doesn't make any difference. It is worthless in any event without a lot more qualifications and training than Nil could ever muster up. Since he couldn't pass the sail test and it is a MOTOR license he couldn't use it for a sailboat anyway. The best he could do is maybe harbor tours in an outboard if he can pass a drug test which is debatable. His postings here make him a real liability to anyone stupid enough to consider hiring him. Just imagine when the lawyer for the survivors of Nil's "command" use some of his posts as evidence of his incompetence. Rick |
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You're problem, Neal, you don't have enough mental capacity, common
sense, etc., to realize that you've lost every argument regarding the Rules and any other subject you've argued with us, so you continue to post junk, as evidenced, below. You may have read the Rules (I'm not sure), but you certainly have no understanding of their intent, or the particular meaning of specific Rules. Buffoon ..... no....Ignorant Buffoon, describes you well. otn Simple Simon wrote: I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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Shen, Rick and otn have ALL been reduced to simple
name-calling because they know any attempt at serious debate gets them a severe beating every time. So sad for three, big, proud motorboaters to have their clock cleaned by a sailor who holds a Masters license just like them and can run a motorboat as well as they can but has the means and sense to do so only when he feels like doing it. Unlike you three wannabes I'd rather be SAILING. S.Simon "otnmbrd" wrote in message .net... You're problem, Neal, you don't have enough mental capacity, common sense, etc., to realize that you've lost every argument regarding the Rules and any other subject you've argued with us, so you continue to post junk, as evidenced, below. You may have read the Rules (I'm not sure), but you certainly have no understanding of their intent, or the particular meaning of specific Rules. Buffoon ..... no....Ignorant Buffoon, describes you well. otn Simple Simon wrote: I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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Sorry Neal, "Right-of-Way" and "Stand-on" do not mean the same thing. In the Inland
Rules, both terms are used. Stand-on means that a vessel is obligated to keep her speed and course (until conditions necessitate otherwise). Right-of-way is given to downbound vessels on Western Rivers, and implies that they can dictate the maneuver to an upbound vessel. In essence, the ROW vessel controls the entire situation. Now come on Neal, its about time you came clean. You never did take that test, did you? Its pretty clear that if you had to take it now you wouldn't get 50% right, even if you were allowed to use the book. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... End of next month - the 25th if I remember correctly. Don't worry, it will be renewed - I'm working on the paperwork right now and I've the physical and drug test scheduled in the first week in November. Heck, they give you a whole years grace to renew it. S.Simon - is a Master and will remain a master for many, many years yet. P.S. Right of way is just another way of saying stand-on vessel. I expect Shen, otn and that little twerp Rick not to know terminology but you should not be so ignorant. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... The International ColRegs don't give any vessel "Right of Way." They only give vessels obligations. You're the one with the biased view - you demonstrated that in this post! Its a good thing your license will expire next month. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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I'm just testing you guys to see how you do. You seem to have a pretty good handle on the Rules while Shen and otn seem to be quite confused at times. Especially otn with his lame statement about being in sight of the bridge to be considered in sight. Bwahahahahahhahaaha! S.Simon - passed the written test with flying colors. Rules of the Road = 100 Deck General = 98 Nav General = 100 Chart Nav = 100 Master upgrade = 96 "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Sorry Neal, "Right-of-Way" and "Stand-on" do not mean the same thing. In the Inland Rules, both terms are used. Stand-on means that a vessel is obligated to keep her speed and course (until conditions necessitate otherwise). Right-of-way is given to downbound vessels on Western Rivers, and implies that they can dictate the maneuver to an upbound vessel. In essence, the ROW vessel controls the entire situation. Now come on Neal, its about time you came clean. You never did take that test, did you? Its pretty clear that if you had to take it now you wouldn't get 50% right, even if you were allowed to use the book. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... End of next month - the 25th if I remember correctly. Don't worry, it will be renewed - I'm working on the paperwork right now and I've the physical and drug test scheduled in the first week in November. Heck, they give you a whole years grace to renew it. S.Simon - is a Master and will remain a master for many, many years yet. P.S. Right of way is just another way of saying stand-on vessel. I expect Shen, otn and that little twerp Rick not to know terminology but you should not be so ignorant. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... The International ColRegs don't give any vessel "Right of Way." They only give vessels obligations. You're the one with the biased view - you demonstrated that in this post! Its a good thing your license will expire next month. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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To have a serious debate, one must debate with someone with serious
knowledge of what they speak .... you're knowledge of the Rules and any other boating subject, is well below "basic". We all know that you are a Simple Ignorant Buffoon, not worthy of any respect. otn Simple Simon wrote: Shen, Rick and otn have ALL been reduced to simple name-calling because they know any attempt at serious debate gets them a severe beating every time. So sad for three, big, proud motorboaters to have their clock cleaned by a sailor who holds a Masters license just like them and can run a motorboat as well as they can but has the means and sense to do so only when he feels like doing it. Unlike you three wannabes I'd rather be SAILING. S.Simon "otnmbrd" wrote in message .net... You're problem, Neal, you don't have enough mental capacity, common sense, etc., to realize that you've lost every argument regarding the Rules and any other subject you've argued with us, so you continue to post junk, as evidenced, below. You may have read the Rules (I'm not sure), but you certainly have no understanding of their intent, or the particular meaning of specific Rules. Buffoon ..... no....Ignorant Buffoon, describes you well. otn Simple Simon wrote: I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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what a moron
Simple Simon wrote: S.Simon - passed the written test with flying colors. Rules of the Road = 100 Deck General = 98 Nav General = 100 Chart Nav = 100 Master upgrade = 96 That's pretty funny, considering that you have obviously never even seen a real master's license. If you actually took the test, the graders would have a heart attack laughing..... DSK |
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ROFL, Shen and I have forgotten more about the "Rules", than you have
ever, or will ever, learn. You constantly show a total lack of ability to comprehend the meaning, of said "Rules" ...... nuff said otn Simple Simon wrote: I'm just testing you guys to see how you do. You seem to have a pretty good handle on the Rules while Shen and otn seem to be quite confused at times. Especially otn with his lame statement about being in sight of the bridge to be considered in sight. Bwahahahahahhahaaha! S.Simon - passed the written test with flying colors. Rules of the Road = 100 Deck General = 98 Nav General = 100 Chart Nav = 100 Master upgrade = 96 "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Sorry Neal, "Right-of-Way" and "Stand-on" do not mean the same thing. In the Inland Rules, both terms are used. Stand-on means that a vessel is obligated to keep her speed and course (until conditions necessitate otherwise). Right-of-way is given to downbound vessels on Western Rivers, and implies that they can dictate the maneuver to an upbound vessel. In essence, the ROW vessel controls the entire situation. Now come on Neal, its about time you came clean. You never did take that test, did you? Its pretty clear that if you had to take it now you wouldn't get 50% right, even if you were allowed to use the book. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... End of next month - the 25th if I remember correctly. Don't worry, it will be renewed - I'm working on the paperwork right now and I've the physical and drug test scheduled in the first week in November. Heck, they give you a whole years grace to renew it. S.Simon - is a Master and will remain a master for many, many years yet. P.S. Right of way is just another way of saying stand-on vessel. I expect Shen, otn and that little twerp Rick not to know terminology but you should not be so ignorant. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... The International ColRegs don't give any vessel "Right of Way." They only give vessels obligations. You're the one with the biased view - you demonstrated that in this post! Its a good thing your license will expire next month. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I've easily won every argument with you tugboat captains who have proven time and time again you are operating under a biased view of the COLREGS. You don't read them or use them as they are written. Rather, you continue to pick and choose those Rules you feel give you more rights than you really have. You just hate the fact that the Rules give sailboats the right of way over motorboats in most circumstances. You guys are in a fog even when there is fifty miles of visibility. S.Simon "Shen44" wrote in message ... Subject: Read this, Capt. Shen - ferry news From: "Simple Simon" Date: 10/17/2003 15:49 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. S.Simon Sure sign that Simon the Buffoon realizes he's lost yet another argument/discussion .... an off the wall, attempt to change the subject of yet another defeat, to one he may have more personal knowledge of. Shen |
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Simple Simon wrote:
Unlike you three wannabes I'd rather be SAILING. I have absolutely no doubt that you would rather be sailing than doing whatever it is you do. Got a news tip for you, Nil ... nobody is stopping you from letting go that old engine block and sailing away. As a matter of fact there probably aren't many here who would lift a finger to deny you your desire to go sailing. Most of us sincerely hope you go sailing ... tonight, for a long time. Rick |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:49:02 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. Why would you put me in that group? For Sweetest Day, I gave my beautiful female fiance a clitty tickler. Are you still jealous of my pecs? Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
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He put you there because you belong there. Tell the
truth, you're using the tickler on yourself aren't you? Actually, don't tell us. FYI, your tits are still your tits. "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:49:02 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote this crap: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. Why would you put me in that group? For Sweetest Day, I gave my beautiful female fiance a clitty tickler. Are you still jealous of my pecs? Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
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Horvath wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:49:02 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote this crap: Now, don't you go turning into a gayboy with all your ass fantasies. With the likes of Bobsprit, Horvath and Rick this group has more than it's share of faggots already. Why would you put me in that group? For Sweetest Day, I gave my beautiful female fiance a clitty tickler. Dang, I misread that, thought he said someting about kitty-litter... Cheers Marty |
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