Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

The rule of 64ths is used in finance.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Too easy - but I've wondered if there's a formula for approximated current over time. I
think there's too many variables.

Simple Simon wrote:
Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

ratio of tidal rise over time.

Rule of Twelfths
Shape assumed to be sinusoidal
Rise in 1/12ths
1 in first hour
2 in second
3 in third
3 in fourth
2 in fifth
1 in sixth

sometimes used as a rule of thumb for tidal current as well




On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:21:19 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Simple Simon wrote:
Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?

In spite of being a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b, I'll have a go at
this...

It's to do with the rate at which the tide goes out or comes in. The key
concept is that the rate is not linear and the purpose of the rule of 12ths
is to allow the sailor to estimate the tidal rate at a given time during the
cycle from HW to LW and back to HW. By knowing the tidal rate at a given
time, and the tidal range for the period concerned, one can estimate the
depth of the water above chart datum.

Lets take an ebb tide as an example. Round these 'ere parts, HW to LW takes
roughly 6 hours and, during springs, the tidal range isn't a kick in the ass
off of 6 metres. We can use the rule of 12ths to estimate the height of the
tide at a given time after HW by referring to the following ready
reckoner...

1 hour after HW - tide has dropped 1/12 of the range.
2 hours after HW - tide has dropped 2/12 of the range.
3 hours after HW - tide has dropped 3/12 of the range.
4 hours after HW - tide has dropped 3/12 of the range.
5 hours after HW - tide has dropped 2/12 of the range.
6 hours after HW - tide has dropped 1/12 of the range.

Add up all of the 12ths, and we get 12/12ths - the full tidal range,
bringing us neatly to LW six hours after high water.

From the above, we can then apply the fractions to the tidal range and
arrive at a fairly good estimate of the height of the tide at a given time.
For my spring tidal range of 6m at, say, 2 hours after HW, I would calculate
the drop from HW - 3/12 - and multiply the tidal range by this fraction...

6 x 3/12 = 1.5

This tells me that the tide will have dropped 1.5m. Subtracting that from
the tidal range of 6m, I find that the height of the tide above chart datum
is 4.5m.


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Since Booby can't answer the question
 

And, it's only useful in areas with a semi-diurnal tide, right?


"Marc" wrote in message ...
ratio of tidal rise over time.

Rule of Twelfths
Shape assumed to be sinusoidal
Rise in 1/12ths
1 in first hour
2 in second
3 in third
3 in fourth
2 in fifth
1 in sixth

sometimes used as a rule of thumb for tidal current as well




On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:21:19 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Wally, you trying for a world record MEGO factor?


On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:43:50 GMT, "Wally" wrote:

Simple Simon wrote:
Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?

In spite of being a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b, I'll have a go at
this...

It's to do with the rate at which the tide goes out or comes in. The key
concept is that the rate is not linear and the purpose of the rule of 12ths
is to allow the sailor to estimate the tidal rate at a given time during the
cycle from HW to LW and back to HW. By knowing the tidal rate at a given
time, and the tidal range for the period concerned, one can estimate the
depth of the water above chart datum.

Lets take an ebb tide as an example. Round these 'ere parts, HW to LW takes
roughly 6 hours and, during springs, the tidal range isn't a kick in the ass
off of 6 metres. We can use the rule of 12ths to estimate the height of the
tide at a given time after HW by referring to the following ready
reckoner...

1 hour after HW - tide has dropped 1/12 of the range.
2 hours after HW - tide has dropped 2/12 of the range.
3 hours after HW - tide has dropped 3/12 of the range.
4 hours after HW - tide has dropped 3/12 of the range.
5 hours after HW - tide has dropped 2/12 of the range.
6 hours after HW - tide has dropped 1/12 of the range.

Add up all of the 12ths, and we get 12/12ths - the full tidal range,
bringing us neatly to LW six hours after high water.

From the above, we can then apply the fractions to the tidal range and
arrive at a fairly good estimate of the height of the tide at a given time.
For my spring tidal range of 6m at, say, 2 hours after HW, I would calculate
the drop from HW - 3/12 - and multiply the tidal range by this fraction...

6 x 3/12 = 1.5

This tells me that the tide will have dropped 1.5m. Subtracting that from
the tidal range of 6m, I find that the height of the tide above chart datum
is 4.5m.

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Excellent Wally! Go to the head of the class.


"Wally" wrote in message ...
Simple Simon wrote:
Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?

In spite of being a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b, I'll have a go at
this...

It's to do with the rate at which the tide goes out or comes in. The key
concept is that the rate is not linear and the purpose of the rule of 12ths
is to allow the sailor to estimate the tidal rate at a given time during the
cycle from HW to LW and back to HW. By knowing the tidal rate at a given
time, and the tidal range for the period concerned, one can estimate the
depth of the water above chart datum.

Lets take an ebb tide as an example. Round these 'ere parts, HW to LW takes
roughly 6 hours and, during springs, the tidal range isn't a kick in the ass
off of 6 metres. We can use the rule of 12ths to estimate the height of the
tide at a given time after HW by referring to the following ready
reckoner...

1 hour after HW - tide has dropped 1/12 of the range.
2 hours after HW - tide has dropped 2/12 of the range.
3 hours after HW - tide has dropped 3/12 of the range.
4 hours after HW - tide has dropped 3/12 of the range.
5 hours after HW - tide has dropped 2/12 of the range.
6 hours after HW - tide has dropped 1/12 of the range.

Add up all of the 12ths, and we get 12/12ths - the full tidal range,
bringing us neatly to LW six hours after high water.

From the above, we can then apply the fractions to the tidal range and
arrive at a fairly good estimate of the height of the tide at a given time.
For my spring tidal range of 6m at, say, 2 hours after HW, I would calculate
the drop from HW - 3/12 - and multiply the tidal range by this fraction...

6 x 3/12 = 1.5

This tells me that the tide will have dropped 1.5m. Subtracting that from
the tidal range of 6m, I find that the height of the tide above chart datum
is 4.5m.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Simple Simon wrote:
Excellent Wally! Go to the head of the class.

trots to top of class, wearing smug grin

You'd think that Bob, with his 8 years experience, would have been able to
come up with at least half an answer...


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

It doesn't work too well for currents. In places like the Cape Cod Canal, Hell Gate, and
Wood's Hole the current ramps up to over half strength in the first hour.

Marc wrote:
ratio of tidal rise over time.

Rule of Twelfths
Shape assumed to be sinusoidal
Rise in 1/12ths
1 in first hour
2 in second
3 in third
3 in fourth
2 in fifth
1 in sixth

sometimes used as a rule of thumb for tidal current as well




On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:21:19 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Agreed, thus the use of "sometimes". CCC, HG, and WH are definately
not places for rules of thumb.

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:18:49 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

It doesn't work too well for currents. In places like the Cape Cod Canal, Hell Gate, and
Wood's Hole the current ramps up to over half strength in the first hour.

Marc wrote:
ratio of tidal rise over time.

Rule of Twelfths
Shape assumed to be sinusoidal
Rise in 1/12ths
1 in first hour
2 in second
3 in third
3 in fourth
2 in fifth
1 in sixth

sometimes used as a rule of thumb for tidal current as well




On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:21:19 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

We all know Booby's main concern is trolling. He
knows nothing about sailing - that's the reason he
trolls so well because everytime he opens his fat
mouth dozens of people can and do jump on him
with impunity.

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message ...
Simple Simon wrote:
Excellent Wally! Go to the head of the class.

trots to top of class, wearing smug grin

You'd think that Bob, with his 8 years experience, would have been able to
come up with at least half an answer...


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

Well, actually, these are the places where one would be very interested in how quickly the
current ramps up. They differ from most locations in that they are driven by two bodies
of water that are of different heights, as opposed to one body of water draining out.
True slack at thesse places hardly exists - you might get 20 minutes of low current.

However, places like Boston, though not as dramatic as Wood's Hole, get to half strength
in a little over an hour, so I don't know how the rule of 12ths would be applied.
http://www.mobilegeographics.com:81/locations/678.html

Marc wrote:
Agreed, thus the use of "sometimes". CCC, HG, and WH are definately
not places for rules of thumb.

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:18:49 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

It doesn't work too well for currents. In places like the Cape Cod
Canal, Hell Gate, and Wood's Hole the current ramps up to over half
strength in the first hour.

Marc wrote:
ratio of tidal rise over time.

Rule of Twelfths
Shape assumed to be sinusoidal
Rise in 1/12ths
1 in first hour
2 in second
3 in third
3 in fourth
2 in fifth
1 in sixth

sometimes used as a rule of thumb for tidal current as well




On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:21:19 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Since Booby is too ignorant to answer the following question,
I'll throw it out to the group as a whole.

What is the rule of 12ths and how would you use it?


S.Simon - a Captain who's serious about sailing

Since Booby can't answer the question
 

So he uses his engine to troll?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
We all know Booby's main concern is trolling. He
knows nothing about sailing - that's the reason he
trolls so well because everytime he opens his fat
mouth dozens of people can and do jump on him
with impunity.

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message
...
Simple Simon wrote:
Excellent Wally! Go to the head of the class.

trots to top of class, wearing smug grin

You'd think that Bob, with his 8 years experience, would have been able
to
come up with at least half an answer...


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.