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Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Anybody have any experience with buying sails from
www.thesailwarehouse.com It seems they have very reasonable prices for new sails. I can get a new mainsail and working jib for my Coronado 27 for $1170 and not have to pay sales tax. Product Code CategorySail CM27.0S Main $575.00 CH27.16HP Headsails110% $595.00 Pre-shipping Grand Total = $ 1170.00 Grand Total: $ 1170.00 What do you think? S.Simon |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Old Thom does not reply because he's
1) in a drunken stupor 2) soooo embarrassed because he paid more for a mainsail alone than I can get a set of working sails for 3) watching brain-dead television programs on his web TV box 4) too upset to get on the Internet because his fancy, wing keel fell off 5) wandering around wondering where he is because of senile dementia S.Simon "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Anybody have any experience with buying sails from www.thesailwarehouse.com It seems they have very reasonable prices for new sails. I can get a new mainsail and working jib for my Coronado 27 for $1170 and not have to pay sales tax. Product Code CategorySail CM27.0S Main $575.00 CH27.16HP Headsails110% $595.00 Pre-shipping Grand Total = $ 1170.00 Grand Total: $ 1170.00 What do you think? S.Simon |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:56:05 -0400, a team of surgeons from
alt.sailing.asa removed the following benign growth from Simple Simon: Old Thom does not reply because he's 1) in a drunken stupor 2) soooo embarrassed because he paid more for a mainsail alone than I can get a set of working sails for 3) watching brain-dead television programs on his web TV box 4) too upset to get on the Internet because his fancy, wing keel fell off 5) wandering around wondering where he is because of senile dementia S.Simon The other possiblility - that he's gone sailing - is unthinkable. This is ASA, after all. -- PJR :-) mhm34x8 news:alt.fan.pjr |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
The Captains Master wrote:
Lets see now, a sailmaker goes out on every boat taht requests a new sail, watches how the skipper sails the baot then goes back to the loft and designs a sail specifically for that skipper.....he then goes out with the skipper and helps him set the sail up exactly to suit the skippers particular way of sailing... And then, when the boat is sold, the new skipper, unless he's a clone of the previous one, bins the nearly-new sails and goes through the whole process again... -- Wally www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light. |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Simple,
Price of sails: Neal, those are very good prices indeed! I know nothing about the sailmaker, which means absolutely nothing but I would make sure to examine their work before making a commitment. Remember the length of life of your "North" main or my "UK" They are pricier initially but over the years proved to be a bargain. This doesn't mean less expensive is poorer quality. It does mean YOU have to be your own quality inspector. Good luck old friend. May your new sails return your lost performance as my new bottom and sail has. AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Simple,
Sorry I'm slow in responding but ole Buddy. Remember this is Labor day week-end and by golly I'm finally sailing again. A lot of catching up to do. This is Pitch Regatta Week-end and though I didn't have time to prepare my boat for racing I am not going to miss being a spectator! Neal, I was thinking of you the other day. I made another concession to age. I set the 150% up in the furler. It was at the slip but the ole Man wasn't steady at all going forward. I've run a semi- permanent safety line system from the mast to the bow pulpit. I thought to myself, "Neal will give me **** about this." but then I thought maybe I should tell him about it, so that maybe he can start thinking about doing the same thing. He spends more time on the pointy end than I do. They work pretty well. If you want to talk about them let me know. Ole Thom |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Actually, that IS more or less how a proper sail gets made.
Really? I know Mark at Doyle as well as Dylan who was over at UK. Most people just order their sails. A visit to a boat with known specs and existing templates can be made at the owner's request, but usually isn't. Billy Jane, are you living anywhere close to the edge of reality? Do you just make crap up? Aren't you ashamed to constantly type stuff that just isn't true? Now, really...do you thing North, Doyl and UK are visiting all of those C&C 27s, O'days, Catalinas and hunters? You know some people who had the sailmaker visit their toys so you think it's the rule. Grow up, dummy! RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Thanks Thom,
Maybe when I get about twenty years older (about your age) I'll consider wind-ups. As for now, I enjoy using a variety of hank-ons to get the max efficiency out of my rig. Changing and reefing is as much a part of sailing as trimming. You have a good reason to go to wind-ups but younger, wannabe sailors like Bobsprit, for instance, have no excuse other than laziness, sloth and ignorance as the reason they use wind-ups. They're missing so much and don't even realize it. At least you can say, "Been there done that!" all Booby and his like can say is "Duh!" I can tell you've been sailing. You're no longer the cranky grouch you become when forced to remain ashore. Keep sailing -- I'll drink to THAT! S.Simon "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Simple, Sorry I'm slow in responding but ole Buddy. Remember this is Labor day week-end and by golly I'm finally sailing again. A lot of catching up to do. This is Pitch Regatta Week-end and though I didn't have time to prepare my boat for racing I am not going to miss being a spectator! Neal, I was thinking of you the other day. I made another concession to age. I set the 150% up in the furler. It was at the slip but the ole Man wasn't steady at all going forward. I've run a semi- permanent safety line system from the mast to the bow pulpit. I thought to myself, "Neal will give me **** about this." but then I thought maybe I should tell him about it, so that maybe he can start thinking about doing the same thing. He spends more time on the pointy end than I do. They work pretty well. If you want to talk about them let me know. Ole Thom |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
They're
missing so much and don't even realize it. At least you can say, "Been there done that!" all Booby and his like can say is "Duh!" Yeah...the J24 I'm sailing this week Thursday probably has furling! Bwahahaha! RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
J/24's usually carry a four-man crew when racing.
Are you gonna get an exemption to allow only a two-man crew so the boat isn't handicapped with 300 pounds too much weight? S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... They're missing so much and don't even realize it. At least you can say, "Been there done that!" all Booby and his like can say is "Duh!" Yeah...the J24 I'm sailing this week Thursday probably has furling! Bwahahaha! RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
J/24's usually carry a four-man crew when racing.
They do? Bwahahahahaha! RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Are you gonna get an exemption to allow only a two-man
crew so the boat isn't handicapped with 300 pounds too much weight? Let's see...I weigh 213, Suzzy weighs 125-130, maggie weighs 120, Julia weighs 110... I think we're all set! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Let's see...I weigh 213, snipped dream girls Oink, oink! S.Simon |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
RB,
I'm sure you screwed yourself once again. A J24 racing in class with full crew (or without) isn't going to be using a furler. Bob, A flying sail change cannot be made with a furler and Class Racers do have to be able to change out head sail as conditions warrant. They do use twin head tracks but a furler has the upper assembly that prohibits the changing a sail while the other sail is up. Changing head sails in class racing doesn't make since to be bald headed for a head sail change. You're going to have to modify your statement about a racing J24. Sorry, Nutsy. You had your mouth going without the brain in gear. Ole Thom |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Yeah Neal,
My age is showing. Last night was "Party Nite" at the Club, Award Nite for the Pitch Ragatta. Today is Get Away day for visiting sailors. I had my 2 Manhattens. brought a round for my Crew and came home even before the party got a glow on. I did leave my crew there ( Female) but I came home. My daughter left early also. She is Hot Air Balloning today. They have a perfect day for it! Ole Thom |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
I'm sure you screwed yourself once again.
A J24 racing in class with full crew (or without) isn't going to be using a furler. Uh, Thom. I think you misread something. I'm not racing on the J-24, nor have I EVER seen one with a RF installed. RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Sounds like you've got it made. Even left the girls and
went home for some peace and quiet without any nagging. You go old boy! How old is your daughter? Is she pretty? Is she married? Can she cook? Can she hold her liquor? S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing P.S. found some even better prices for sails that have better features for less money. See my post elsewhere. Honk Kong Sails is the maker. "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Yeah Neal, My age is showing. Last night was "Party Nite" at the Club, Award Nite for the Pitch Ragatta. Today is Get Away day for visiting sailors. I had my 2 Manhattens. brought a round for my Crew and came home even before the party got a glow on. I did leave my crew there ( Female) but I came home. My daughter left early also. She is Hot Air Balloning today. They have a perfect day for it! Ole Thom |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Nutsy,
Your post @ 9/1/03 said the J24 I'm sailing Thursday prodably has RF. If you've never seen one installed then why in the hell would you make a statement like that? So now, is this the time for the stupid modifying troll replies? If it is, don't bother on my account, I won't be reading your replies for awhile. AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" OT |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
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Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Even he in total weight isn't as fat as your
head. On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:04:22 +0000, Horvath wrote: On 01 Sep 2003 13:46:24 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this crap: Are you gonna get an exemption to allow only a two-man crew so the boat isn't handicapped with 300 pounds too much weight? Let's see...I weigh 213, Ever think about a diet, lardass? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Thing is Billy, the notes he was taking were so he'd remember your
comments. Don't forget, Ozzy...Billy Jane sails a serious racing machine...the C&C 27. RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
I'm beginning to get it now.
You do ring your sailmaker and get him to come down and go for a sail in a variety of conditions so he can see jus how you sail and design a nice set of cruising sails tailored to your particular way of sailing. He makes all the right noises, drinks your beer, makes a few notes, accepts your offer to dinner, then delivers the sails in a couple of weeks. Of course he goes for a sail, drinks your beers, makes some more notes, accepts your offer to dinner and humbly accepts your praise on how well the sails suit your boat and driving style. Thing is Billy, the notes he was taking were so he'd remember your comments. He didn't want to forget one single word you said when he gets back to the loft and the whole bunch sit around laughing their heads off at the sucker they just reeled in!!! Then they'll get back to the computer and bring up the templates for the next set of "custom" sails, lay the cloth out on the table, turn on the air and watch the plotter mark it up. I made my sailmaker come down to my boat three times and we had many phone calls and emails to go over details. He measured my rig completely and we discussed the type of sailing I do. When the sails were done he fitted them and had to take them back because the reefing pulls were on the wrong side for the Dutchman. We went over the ways in which my sails differed from the stock sails delivered on an IP, a dedicated cruising boat. Details in a cruising sail matter also, and you gotta make sure you get what you want. |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
We went over the ways in which my sails differed from the stock
sails delivered on an IP, a dedicated cruising boat. Details in a cruising sail matter also, and you gotta make sure you get what you want. Skitch, most sailmakers will come down to a boat if the owner wants, but the "norm" is computer template sails for most. Sailing is dominated by Catalinas, hunters and other popular boats that rarely get a visit from a loft. Ask Mark at Doyle or Bill and UK how many boats he visits. They couldn't make money unless they had a giant cut-and-ship business. RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:56:46 -0700, Jonathan Ganz
wrote this crap: Even he in total weight isn't as fat as your head. Do you ever post while sober? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Don't forget, Ozzy...Billy Jane sails a serious racing machine...the C&C 27.
RB Maybe his sailmaker build big baggy sails so Billy can reach all those downwind ports quickly. I could save Billy Jane a small fortune on sails, but then what would he do with them? RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
What do you do with your sails other than flap the wind-up
jib to death while motoring while you keep the sail cover on the mainsail like you keep the cover on your compass. Can't wear out that mainsail by using it now can we? Bwahahahahaha! S.Simon - a Captain who takes sailing seriously "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Don't forget, Ozzy...Billy Jane sails a serious racing machine...the C&C 27. RB Maybe his sailmaker build big baggy sails so Billy can reach all those downwind ports quickly. I could save Billy Jane a small fortune on sails, but then what would he do with them? RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
What do you do with your sails other than flap the wind-up
Don't be mad because I'm running the group again, Neal! You're just not being creative enough. Take a deep breath and try again. RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Trying to change the subject again because
you're ashamed of your neophyte sailing status? S.Simon - a Captain who knows a fraud when he sees one "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... What do you do with your sails other than flap the wind-up Don't be mad because I'm running the group again, Neal! You're just not being creative enough. Take a deep breath and try again. RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | We went over the ways in which my sails differed from the stock | sails delivered on an IP, a dedicated cruising boat. Details in a cruising | sail matter also, and you gotta make sure you get what you want. | | Skitch, most sailmakers will come down to a boat if the owner wants, but the | "norm" is computer template sails for most. Sailing is dominated by Catalinas, | hunters and other popular boats that rarely get a visit from a loft. Ask Mark | at Doyle or Bill and UK how many boats he visits. They couldn't make money | unless they had a giant cut-and-ship business. Now ain't that odd. I ordered an off the shelf with 3 reef points. They said they had the template and I confirmed the measurements via fax. I sent the sail back 3 times. The loft finally flew a rep up from Vancouver to Yellowknife and found out their measurements were not correct. I did feel sorry for the guy and arranged for him to meet some other people who were considering buying new sails. He measured and discussed their specifics with them and returned with orders for a few other sails. Mine arrived again and fit. They decided to send a rep up every year after that. CM |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
Now ain't that odd. I ordered an off the shelf with 3 reef points. They said
they had the template and I confirmed the measurements via fax. I sent the sail back 3 times. Thanks for making my point, mooron. If I had a boat like yours I'd INSIST on a visit from a loft. It's not a well known rig. You see, that's why I mentioned the Catalina and Hunters. You were exceedingly dumb to try to mail order sails for your boat. Must you learn everything through failure, Mooron? RB |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
"The Captains Master" wrote in message | Did you need to take the guy out sailing so he could design a sail to | suit your particular way of sailing? | Bwaaahahhahahahahahaahahahaaa! I would of... but it was May and there was still 7 feet of Ice on the lake. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa! CM |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
1000 times more often that you sail.
Do you ever sail? On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:07:26 +0000, Horvath wrote: On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:56:46 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote this crap: Even he in total weight isn't as fat as your head. Do you ever post while sober? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:48:38 -0700, Jonathan Ganz
wrote this crap: 1000 times more often that you sail. Do you ever sail? Sailed today. Almost won a race. Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote:
Now ain't that odd. I ordered an off the shelf with 3 reef points. They said they had the template and I confirmed the measurements via fax. I sent the sail back 3 times. The loft finally flew a rep up from Vancouver to Yellowknife and found out their measurements were not correct. Didn't you confirm the measurements by fax? What was screwed up? The sail dimensions for the Hunter 19 are about 6 inches too short on the foot and 10 inches too short on the luff, so as to make them cheaper. When I ordered a set of custom sails, I measured the rig and sent the a very complete diagram to the sailmaker. Personally, I think that "cheap" is not a benefit when ordering new sails. You want good sails, you gotta pay for 'em. Otherwise go down to the secondhand bin and pick through the cast-offs... they are almost free. And almost worth it. I did feel sorry for the guy and arranged for him to meet some other people who were considering buying new sails. He measured and discussed their specifics with them and returned with orders for a few other sails. Mine arrived again and fit. They decided to send a rep up every year after that. Many sailmakers will visit out-of-the-way sailing clubs in person to drum up business and do a little coaching. Apparently your club is a little too out-of-the-way! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
"DSK" wrote in message | Didn't you confirm the measurements by fax? What was screwed up? Apparently they thought I had screwed up.... they ignored the measurements I sent. | Many sailmakers will visit out-of-the-way sailing clubs in person to drum up | business and do a little coaching. Apparently your club is a little too | out-of-the-way! Well I had done business with them for an overhaul and restitching for 2 seasons prior.... They didn't realize there was over 60 boats in Yellowknife and no loft. I heard that both UK & North make regular trips up there now. CM |
Inexpensive sails - Ole Thom.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote:
Apparently they thought I had screwed up.... they ignored the measurements I sent. heh heh don't ya hate it when other people think *you're* the one making the mistake? DSK |
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