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Shen44 is no Master!
Subject: Shen44 is no Master!
From: "Simple Simon" Date: 07/29/2003 14:14 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Shen44 to his great embarrassment wrote: NUC means a vessel through some exceptional circumstance cannot maneuver as required by these rules .... a becalmed sailboat with no mechanical power seems to fit this bill perfectly. He wrote the above in response to my writing: Not under command means some failure of mechanical systems that means the vessel cannot maneuver. Lack of wind is not such a circumstance. No, I think even Jeff and Shen44 would agree with me that NUC is not applicable here. You must ask yourself like I have asked myself, "How can any man who claims to have been a master on a varitey of very large ships be so ignorant of the facts?" Even a sailor who has studied the Rules more for the sake of knowing them and has gotten a Master's license more for the sake of the knowledge such a license requires than a desire to be paid for my skills knows why a NUC is a NUC. Obviously, another of the lessons you missed. Hey ! Show me the legal precedence and logic to back up your statement, and I'll concur. Shen was correct when he wrote: NUC means a vessel (which) through some exceptional circumstance cannot maneuver as required by these rules. Then he made some ignorant statement about a sailboat becalmed fitting the definition of a NUC. What he did not realize is that the generally accepted definition of 'exceptional circumstance' is understood to mean a mechanical or operational breakdown or defect which prevents a vessel from maneuvering or operating as an approaching vessel might expect. Says who? You? Not hardly an experienced or knowledgeable support structure for your argument. And this unacceptable lack of knowledge and breech of trust is what is foisted off upon unsuspecting sailors who are beginning to realize that even the masters of huge ships that travel at speeds of thirty knots and more haven't a clue. There are many dangers out there when ship masters such as Shen44 believe and argue that a sailboat becalmed is a NUC. Can he maneuver as required by the rules and thusly keep out of the way of another vessel, as required by the rules? Not hardly..... EG.... this was a "trap" Neal, and you bought it .... a becalmed sailboat is listed in precedence as being able to use the NUC lights....Sorry, I can't produce the exact precedence, so you can believe me or not on this and do a search. Shen44, if you are a man you will admit your mistake and apologize to me for slandering me on the basis of your misunderstanding of an obvious aspects of the COLREGS. S.Simon. LOL Never slandered you .... don't have to..... you do an EXCELLENT job of that on your own...... I just point out your many failings... EG that is, if Jeff or otn don't beat me to it. PS. I'll make it easy for you to eat some humble pie. Just cut, paste and post the following. I, Shen44, do wipe egg off my pimply face and offer my apologies to S.Simon for casting aspersions his way with respect to the definition of a NUC because I lacked basic knowledge any Master should be aware of - namely what the term, "exceptional circumstanc" means. ROFL Head for your "search engine" simple neal..... you done sclewed up again !!! Shen As a side note: interesting...he didn't try to jump on me about "early and substantial action to avoid a collision" in fog, when I said that was wrong. |
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