Donal Hates Your Boat
 

I think you miss the point. Donal is objecting to your _endless_
bragging of performance in what is basically a slow old design. You
cannot say she is the most beautiful or well finished boat either. That
it suits you as a stepping stone to learn some more about sailing we are
sure, but it is also clear that you don't really know what you want
-except that it should enable you in some way to say it is better than
others boats. This is a bit akin to the childish ploy of "My toy is
better than yours so I'm superior". Alas for you, everyone else here has
a boat that they _know_ is better than yours. This simple fact is
manifest in their calm confidence in their boats abilities, which means
they do not need to brag about them. For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need to say that it is so comapred to ***'s boat. The reason is that I
know what Ella is and when you've really got it you don't need to brag.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
On a regular basis, Donal has shown disdain for slower boats. While he's hidden
under the guise of singling me out, he's made it quite clear that he thinks
little of boats that have handicaps of 150 or worse. He's also disparaged older
vessels.
Of course there's no mistaking the advantage in quality that a C&C has over a
Beneteau or for that matter even a Pearson, IP or Nordic has over a Beneteau.
But I'd like to point out that your "attitude" and "pride" in your vessel won't
effect it's specific design attributes.
That said, only MC's Farr may earn Donal's "nod of approval" while those
Express 30's are too old. Billy's C&C is far too slow. Skitchy's IP (if it
exists) must be a sensless idea to Donal and Thom's PH an unsailable
contraption for the elderly.
To Donal...your boats are aged snails. I think he's gotten the hint and now
knows that his boat is far from a quality item, but still his comments about
Alien (C&C 32) spill over with ease on to Island Packets, Express 30's,
Nordics, Cals, Coronados, Kirie Elite and most any other boat that takes a
different, however worthy, approach to sailing.
To quote an equally limited sailor here..."He knows nothing about boats."

This concludes this lesson. Thank you.

Capt RB
C&C 32
NY

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

but it is also clear that you don't really know what you want

I know EXACTLY what boat I want next and have it narrowed to a few candidates.
One of the candidates is IN my club and we're already talking.

Next!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Alas for you, everyone else here has
a boat that they _know_ is better than yours.

Damn, you were doing so well until the above!
Rats!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

My case rests.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
but it is also clear that you don't really know what you want

I know EXACTLY what boat I want next and have it narrowed to a few candidates.
One of the candidates is IN my club and we're already talking.

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need to say that it is so comapred to ***'s boat.

You just said you're boat is the best. Period. Sadly, both Jeff's and Mooron's
are better. I'm not sure that the older Farr is even up to the standard of a
C&C or Express for that matter.
Great troll for the most part!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Sigh, of course they are. You still don't get it do you? Why not ask
them in what way(s) Ella might be superior to their boat -but not 'better'.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need to say that it is so comapred to ***'s boat.

You just said you're boat is the best. Period. Sadly, both Jeff's and Mooron's
are better. I'm not sure that the older Farr is even up to the standard of a
C&C or Express for that matter.
Great troll for the most part!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

My case rests.

Badly...I've listed my 3 choices and they are all very much alike.
C&C 34+ or XL
C&C 110
C&C 99

All three are performance cruisers of reasonably young vintage. There's a 34+
at my club and the owner says he may stop sailing in a year or two. We're
talking.


RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

That they are all C&C is true but they are all quite different. Don't
you ever really _look_ at the boats you talk about?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
My case rests.

Badly...I've listed my 3 choices and they are all very much alike.
C&C 34+ or XL
C&C 110
C&C 99

All three are performance cruisers of reasonably young vintage. There's a 34+
at my club and the owner says he may stop sailing in a year or two. We're
talking.


RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

That's pretty sad - you've sailed your boat a half dozen times and you're looking for a
replacement.

I've put about 7000 miles on mine and its still my first choice for family sized sail
boat.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
but it is also clear that you don't really know what you want

I know EXACTLY what boat I want next and have it narrowed to a few candidates.
One of the candidates is IN my club and we're already talking.

Next!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Why do you say my boat is better than any other? I'll admit it is better than any I've
seen for my purposes (and for about 100 other families) but I don't understand how you can
make a blanket judgment that one boat is better than another, especially one of a totally
different design.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need to say that it is so comapred to ***'s boat.

You just said you're boat is the best. Period. Sadly, both Jeff's and Mooron's
are better. I'm not sure that the older Farr is even up to the standard of a
C&C or Express for that matter.
Great troll for the most part!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

I can't recall Donal ever making any dispariging comments about MY boat.

Who are you talking about?


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

while thoseExpress 30's are too old

That makes your ride prehistoric.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

One of the candidates is IN my club and we're already talking.

Since the Boob is a "filmaker" he knows the guy who made the movie Summer
Vacation and can get a deal on that boat.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

but I don't understand how you can
make a blanket judgment that one boat is better than another, especially one of
a totally
different design.

I don't. Donal and MC do. In fact MC has just posted that his boat is the BEST
QUALITY. He made no qualifications. I've NEVER said my boat was the best. Only
neal and MC have!

Busted, baby!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

So tell us where the heads are -are aft by the master berth in both?

Hooh ahhh as you say

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
Look at the plans Booby. Are you really saying you think they are similar?

Yup. And so does everyone I've spoken to on the C&C lists. The 99 evolved out
of the 110 and the new C&C designers looked very hard at the 34 XL and R boats.
I've been checking out these boats for a while.
As cruisers, they all fall into the "modern, high performance" arena.
Now if I had said I'm choosing between a C&C 34 R and a Catalina 35, you'd have
a point!

Soooorrrrry!!!! Hooh ahhh!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

No I didn't. Can't you read?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
In fact MC has just posted that his boat is the BEST
QUALITY.

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

It's not about "better" it's about
"different."

Busted again. That's not what you posted in the past.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

So tell us where the heads are -are aft by the master berth in both?

Good lord!!!! Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, toilet placement really changes things!!!

You total fool!!!! Bwahahahahahaaha!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Alas for you, everyone else here has
a boat that they _know_ is better than yours.

Damn, you were doing so well until the above!

How telling of you to seize on this piece.

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

while thoseExpress 30's are too old

That makes your ride prehistoric.

It's funny that Loco thinks that some dviding line of age seperates our boats.
They're both OLD, loco. Yours is faster. Mine is better looking and more
comfortable and worth more!

Hoooh ahhhh! He can't resist!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

How telling of you to seize on this piece.

Skitch! Relax. Take a deep breath. Type again...slowly.

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Busted again. That's not what you posted in the past.

Which past?

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

I do.

Ganzy's not here, Scotty.


RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

I do.

"SkitchNYC" wrote ...
Alas for you, everyone else here has
a boat that they _know_ is better than yours.

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need

And again....

For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need

Whatever you "feel the need" for, you're comment was absolute and final, even
if it was wrong.
Sorry, you did it to yourself!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

All you EVER do is talk.

Today is the only day of the week I haven't sailed?
You posted!

Bwahahhahaha!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

So you don't care EXACTLY where the HEAD is? Perhaps you you could tell
EXACTLY what size berth you want?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
So tell us where the heads are -are aft by the master berth in both?

Good lord!!!! Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, toilet placement really changes things!!!

You total fool!!!! Bwahahahahahaaha!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Sigh, yes that is what I posted but it was not what _you_ said viz:

"In fact MC has just posted that his boat is the BEST QUALITY. He made
no qualifications. "

Now for comprehension 101. Can you tell the difference between what I
posted and what you said? "Highest" is not the same as "BEST". The
qualification is inherent in the statemnt (here), so again you are wrong
is saying "No qualifications". Can my saying that I have the highest
quality boat not be true? How do you sum all the elements to a total? Is
that sum not a value judgement? You see that's your problem, you see red
whenever anyone has something you think might be nicer than what you
have and it prevents you thinking. Even Chiquita Banana is superior to
my boat in a few respects. Now, did you know my electronics and sails
are also the highest quality here? Who can deny a relative quality
measure -it's SUBJECTIVE!

Just as well you gave up writing eh?

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need

And again....

For example, although I have the
most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat here, I don't feel the
need

Whatever you "feel the need" for, you're comment was absolute and final, even
if it was wrong.
Sorry, you did it to yourself!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Watch out Scott, he's invited himself in.

I was actually sailing. I know that's a hard concept to
grasp boober.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I do.

Ganzy's not here, Scotty.


RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

,It's funny that Loco thinks that some dviding line of age seperates our
boats.
They're both OLD, loco. Yours is faster. Mine is better looking and more
comfortable and worth more!.

That's because there IS a big dividing line Boobie. There was a BIG change
in hull designs between your boat and mid eighties boats. Walk thru any
boatyard and start looking at bottoms instead of counting berths and stove
burners. Your boat is no more comfy by the way.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

So you don't care EXACTLY where the HEAD is? Perhaps you you could tell
EXACTLY what size berth you want?

The smaller berths of the 34 XL would require a modification somewhere.

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

There was a BIG change
in hull designs between your boat and mid eighties boats.

Agreed. The early 80's was horrible, as designers stumbled. The 60's, 70's and
90's were far better for designs.

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

I have a 35 y/o 12' daysailer with a torn mainsail.

BWhaahahahahaha! What a loser!


RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

snip
To quote an equally limited sailor here..."He knows nothing about boats."

This concludes this lesson. Thank you.


BINGO!



Regards


Donal
--

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

A true point.

Cheers MC

Peter Wiley wrote:
The_navigator© wrote in message ...

I think you miss the point. Donal is objecting to your _endless_
bragging of performance in what is basically a slow old design. You
cannot say she is the most beautiful or well finished boat either. That
it suits you as a stepping stone to learn some more about sailing we are
sure, but it is also clear that you don't really know what you want
-except that it should enable you in some way to say it is better than
others boats. This is a bit akin to the childish ploy of "My toy is
better than yours so I'm superior". Alas for you, everyone else here has
a boat that they _know_ is better than yours.


I have a 35 y/o 12' daysailer with a torn mainsail. It's a better boat
than Bob****'s, because *he doesn't own a boat*.

Peter Wiley

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

And it's true! You are not going to say _your_ boat is higher quality
are you?

Hoo Aaah


Cheers MC

CANDChelp wrote:
"In fact MC has just posted that his boat is the BEST QUALITY. He made
no qualifications. "

Now for comprehension 101. Can you tell the difference between what I
posted and what you said? "Highest" is not the same as "BEST". The
qualification is inherent in the statemnt (here),

Bwahahahahaha! How sad and desperate! Backpedal all you want! Read again!

most beautiful, fastest and highest quality boat

Screw with the context all you want! You just screwed the pooch...and I don't
mean Scotty's wife!

RB

Donal Hates Your Boat
 

Does that mean it is not EXACTLY what you want?

Hhahhahhahahahahahaha

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
So you don't care EXACTLY where the HEAD is? Perhaps you you could tell
EXACTLY what size berth you want?

The smaller berths of the 34 XL would require a modification somewhere.

RB