newbie tacking question
 

sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of 180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than 280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

I don't know much about this boat. I have a Cal 20, but
I've never had any problems tacking, even in very light
conditions. Tacking through 90 degrees is normal. You're
talking about tacking through 100? In light conditions, that
doesn't seem that far off.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.. .
sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of 180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than 280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

Horvendile wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 06:33:14 GMT, "Doug Miller"
wrote this crap:

snip

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

That's perfectly normal for a keel boat.



Also normal for non-keeled, lightly ballasted sharpies.

FT

newbie tacking question
 

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


"Doug Miller" wrote in message .. .
sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of 180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than 280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.

On the mooring?


RB

newbie tacking question
 

You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:13:01 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


Yeah right,
Do you actually move forward after the tack?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie tacking question
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


Trolling again??



Regards


Domal
--

newbie tacking question
 

He clearly identified himself as a newbie to sailing.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:13:01 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


Yeah right,
Do you actually move forward after the tack?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie tacking question
 

Sorry Neal, you've just proved you know nothing about sailing.

Perhaps you should open your "Idiot's Guide to Sailing" and refer to the section on
"Apparent Wind." Since you've claimed your instrumentation does not include a speed log,
your wind gauge must be reading the apparent wind angle - and 30 degrees is a reasonable
number. However, the question was about "tacking through" a certain number of degrees,
and specifically referenced compass courses, this can only refer to true wind angles,
where 90-100 degrees is not unreasonable.

As to the original question, with practice it should be possible to tack without
"overshooting," but in light air some boat will recover the lost speed better by
overshooting somewhat and then bringing it back to the desired course. This is especially
true in smaller boats and choppy water.

-jeff


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:13:01 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


Yeah right,
Do you actually move forward after the tack?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie tacking question
 

My wind guage can ONLY read the apparent wind because
without a speed log connected to its NMEA it knows nothing
else.

There should be no problem tacking through 60 degrees of
apparent wind provided the boat is weatherly. This may well
be 90 degrees of true wind.

However, the subscriber also is referring to apparent wind
as this is ALL he is aware of while he is aboard.

Therefore, my answer is valid and seamanlike and yours
is not.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Sorry Neal, you've just proved you know nothing about sailing.

Perhaps you should open your "Idiot's Guide to Sailing" and refer to the section on
"Apparent Wind." Since you've claimed your instrumentation does not include a speed log,
your wind gauge must be reading the apparent wind angle - and 30 degrees is a reasonable
number. However, the question was about "tacking through" a certain number of degrees,
and specifically referenced compass courses, this can only refer to true wind angles,
where 90-100 degrees is not unreasonable.

As to the original question, with practice it should be possible to tack without
"overshooting," but in light air some boat will recover the lost speed better by
overshooting somewhat and then bringing it back to the desired course. This is especially
true in smaller boats and choppy water.

-jeff


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:13:01 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


Yeah right,
Do you actually move forward after the tack?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie tacking question
 

Aboard, one must always tack through the apparent wind. This
this is because while aboard nothing else exists for the observer
until the yacth comes to a complete halt. Then and only then can
the observer aboard the vessel know both the true wind speed and
direction.



"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Cappy, think apparent wind and relationship to the phrase
"tacking thru"


On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:50:05 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:13:01 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


Yeah right,
Do you actually move forward after the tack?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie tacking question
 

That's the most pathetic attempt to backpedal I've ever seen. Its not even worthy of
booby, who clearly knows more sailing theory than you do. The OP never mentioned apparent
wind; he specifically talked about compass courses. Perhaps with a few years of study,
you'll understand the difference between apparent and true wind.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
My wind guage can ONLY read the apparent wind because
without a speed log connected to its NMEA it knows nothing
else.

There should be no problem tacking through 60 degrees of
apparent wind provided the boat is weatherly. This may well
be 90 degrees of true wind.

However, the subscriber also is referring to apparent wind
as this is ALL he is aware of while he is aboard.

Therefore, my answer is valid and seamanlike and yours
is not.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Sorry Neal, you've just proved you know nothing about sailing.

Perhaps you should open your "Idiot's Guide to Sailing" and refer to the section on
"Apparent Wind." Since you've claimed your instrumentation does not include a speed
log,
your wind gauge must be reading the apparent wind angle - and 30 degrees is a
reasonable
number. However, the question was about "tacking through" a certain number of
degrees,
and specifically referenced compass courses, this can only refer to true wind angles,
where 90-100 degrees is not unreasonable.

As to the original question, with practice it should be possible to tack without
"overshooting," but in light air some boat will recover the lost speed better by
overshooting somewhat and then bringing it back to the desired course. This is
especially
true in smaller boats and choppy water.

-jeff


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You should have looked at the picture on my website
where the gauge shows my yacht close-hauled at 30
degrees. That's what a good modern boat with an
experienced sailor at the helm can do as a matter of
routine.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:13:01 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


Yeah right,
Do you actually move forward after the tack?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie tacking question
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Aboard, one must always tack through the apparent wind. This
this is because while aboard nothing else exists for the observer
until the yacth comes to a complete halt. Then and only then can
the observer aboard the vessel know both the true wind speed and
direction.


It's a pity that you have to pretend to be this stupid to get responses.

Before tacking within sight of land, you check that your destination is
about 90 degrees to your current course (after taking tide into account).

Out of sight of land, it is important that you realise that your new course
will be about 90 degrees off your present course.


Regards


Donal
--

newbie tacking question
 

It's a pity that you have to pretend to be this stupid to get responses.

You're right, but not everyone can be openly and honestly stupid like you!

Bwahahahahahahaha!

RB

newbie tacking question
 

The only sensor needed to determine the tacking angle is a compass. Even our newbie
poster understands that - its baffling that Neal does not. I suspect he has never tried
to go upwind.

-j




"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Aboard, one must always tack through the apparent wind. This
this is because while aboard nothing else exists for the observer
until the yacth comes to a complete halt. Then and only then can
the observer aboard the vessel know both the true wind speed and
direction.

Bull****. Any reasonably competent set of sensors can do this easily,
on a continually updated basis. We display both apparent and true wind
speed/direction all the time.

Of course, we actually know how to program computers to integrate data
from multiple devices, not just wander off to the West catalog with
credit card in hand and buy something that doesn't do what you want.

Peter Wiley

newbie tacking question
 

Do you think that it is important to impress strangers with your
intellect?

Which strangers?

RB

newbie tacking question
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Do you think that it is important to impress strangers with your
intellect?

Which strangers?

Me!



Regards


Donal
--

newbie tacking question
 

any one can with the motor running
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.. .
sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of 180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than 280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

My motor might well run from time to time.

That's more than you can say for your wife's
sexual desires which do not exist for your fat,
ugly, bloated carcass. Give me five minutes
with the poor, deprived bitch and she will
think she died and went to heaven.

S.Simon

My tongue pleases women far more than your
tiny pecker.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
any one can with the motor running
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.. .
sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of 180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than 280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

LOL...trying to sneak back into the mainstream with some typical "Neal
Nonsense" , I see.
How's yer butt feelin? still a bit red?

otn

Simple Simon wrote:
My motor might well run from time to time.

That's more than you can say for your wife's
sexual desires which do not exist for your fat,
ugly, bloated carcass. Give me five minutes
with the poor, deprived bitch and she will
think she died and went to heaven.

S.Simon

My tongue pleases women far more than your
tiny pecker.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...

any one can with the motor running
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


"Doug Miller" wrote in message

...

sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of 180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than 280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...
LOL...trying to sneak back into the mainstream with some typical "Neal
Nonsense" , I see.
How's yer butt feelin? still a bit red?


Typical faggot! Always concerned about somebody's ass.

newbie tacking question
 

Gary L. Burnore wrote in
:

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:56:41 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Typical faggot!

No wonder you call yourself "simple".


I thnk actually everyone else calls him that and he just accepts it as his
name now.


Bertie

newbie tacking question
 

ROFLMAO ..... You lose ...... again

Simple Simon wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net...

LOL...trying to sneak back into the mainstream with some typical "Neal
Nonsense" , I see.
How's yer butt feelin? still a bit red?



Typical faggot! Always concerned about somebody's ass.

newbie tacking question
 

My god you are a tiny minded charterless person.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
My motor might well run from time to time.

That's more than you can say for your wife's
sexual desires which do not exist for your fat,
ugly, bloated carcass. Give me five minutes
with the poor, deprived bitch and she will
think she died and went to heaven.

S.Simon

My tongue pleases women far more than your
tiny pecker.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
any one can with the motor running
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.. .
sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of
180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than
280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed
can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but
haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the
eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

I was just wondering, is that the best you can do?
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
My motor might well run from time to time.

That's more than you can say for your wife's
sexual desires which do not exist for your fat,
ugly, bloated carcass. Give me five minutes
with the poor, deprived bitch and she will
think she died and went to heaven.

S.Simon

My tongue pleases women far more than your
tiny pecker.

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
any one can with the motor running
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There's something wrong with your boat.

I can tack through only 60 degrees in light winds.


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.. .
sailing a small sloop keel boat, 19 foot Com-Pac 19, in light winds.
i'm having difficulty making a nice smooth tack in light winds.

for example, if close hauled on a starboard tack with a heading of
180
degrees, after i tack i must fall off to a heading of much more than
280
degrees to regain steerage, and only after regaining forward speed
can i
return and point up to a 280 degree heading or less.

i don't think the problem is so pronounced in brisk winds, but
haven't
actually taken the observations of the compass.

is this typical to have to fall off the wind much more than the
eventual
heading to obtain steerage?

thanks.

newbie tacking question
 

Charterless?


"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
My god you are a tiny minded charterless person.

newbie tacking question
 

typo, characterless
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Charterless?


"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
My god you are a tiny minded charterless person.

newbie tacking question
 

Carolls.

Tacking in light air with a Com-Pac,
Before you tack you'll have to fall off and gain speed. Do this gently!
Remember a turned rudder is like a brake. When you get speed sail across
the wind to you're new course,being very,very light on the helm. I have
tacked past other boat by just heeling the boat to make the turns NO
rudder at all. Tacking in ligth air is like sailing a group of lazy "S"
turns. Don't let the rudder kill your motion

OT